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The Mongol Ilkhanate
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:12 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
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Fact-check. "Gay rights" is only a majority among white people.

In the recent Prop 8, 70% of black people voted for it to define marriage as one man, and one woman.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012 ... hts-groups

That's a poll of hispanics. It was 51% (within the margin of error, so the poll only says scientifically that they are dead even) in favor.

Gay rights is an initiative of rich, white gay people (democrats are more likely to accept gay marriage, and the super rich are overwhelmingly Democrat. To the contrary, the poorer you are, the more religious you are, and the religious barring maybe the Catholics oppose gay marriage) trying to force their views on everyone else seeking equality for themselves, and when the people reject it they go to their likely rich, white buddies on the court benches to invalidate minority opinions. [sarcasm] Because why do minorities need votes, anyway? [/sarcasm] :roll:

<-can play the race card too


Fix'd.


There are plenty of gay people who oppose gay marriage, by the way.

http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/

Now you're going to tell me a gay guy hates gays?
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Postby Euroslavia » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:21 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Fix'd.


There are plenty of gay people who oppose gay marriage, by the way.

http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/

Now you're going to tell me a gay guy hates gays?

A blog is hardly 'plenty of gay people'.
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The Mongol Ilkhanate
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:22 am

Euroslavia wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
There are plenty of gay people who oppose gay marriage, by the way.

http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/

Now you're going to tell me a gay guy hates gays?

A blog is hardly 'plenty of gay people'.


Does he hate gays?

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Postby R Ev0lution » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:22 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Fix'd.


There are plenty of gay people who oppose gay marriage, by the way.

http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/

Now you're going to tell me a gay guy hates gays?

Plenty of people in the LGBT community hate gay people.

Educate yourself.

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Postby Euroslavia » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:24 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Euroslavia wrote:A blog is hardly 'plenty of gay people'.


Does he hate gays?

Notice that I didn't address that part at all. I did so for a reason.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:25 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Fix'd.


There are plenty of gay people who oppose gay marriage, by the way.

http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/

Now you're going to tell me a gay guy hates gays?

There are plenty of blacks and hispanics who support gay marriage. And plenty of rich white people who oppose it.

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Postby Natair » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:26 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Fix'd.


There are plenty of gay people who oppose gay marriage, by the way.

http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/

Now you're going to tell me a gay guy hates gays?

My parents are gonna have some questions when they see that in my web history :?

Anyway, those people who are gay yet oppose gay marriage are just... ass-backwards, for lack of a better term. Why the hell would you not support having more rights and being equal to others? :palm:
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The Mongol Ilkhanate
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:26 am

R Ev0lution wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
There are plenty of gay people who oppose gay marriage, by the way.

http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/

Now you're going to tell me a gay guy hates gays?

Plenty of people in the LGBT community hate gay people.

Educate yourself.


This guy isn't even in the closet. Before you make an analogy to civil rights, as if being born and being unable to choose is in anyway comparable to this issue, you can't become "un-black". If he hated gay people, he wouldn't be one.

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Postby Euroslavia » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:28 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
R Ev0lution wrote:Plenty of people in the LGBT community hate gay people.

Educate yourself.


This guy isn't even in the closet. Before you make an analogy to civil rights, as if being born and being unable to choose is in anyway comparable to this issue, you can't become "un-black". If he hated gay people, he wouldn't be one.

I see that you've never seen any talk show that has had people on there who can't stand their own race. Look up some Maury/Jenny Jones show themes. Hell, it's occasionally on news channels about people refusing to date anyone on their own race. The fact that you think that it's impossible for a gay man to hate gay people shows how ignorant you are about this topic, not to mention the fact that you seem to think he could suddenly change his sexuality.
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R Ev0lution
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Postby R Ev0lution » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:29 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
R Ev0lution wrote:Plenty of people in the LGBT community hate gay people.

Educate yourself.


This guy isn't even in the closet. Before you make an analogy to civil rights, as if being born and being unable to choose is in anyway comparable to this issue, you can't become "un-black". If he hated gay people, he wouldn't be one.

So, basically... You have no idea what self-hatred actually is.

Or are you a Chemistry History Psychology major all of a sudden?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:30 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:If he hated gay people, he wouldn't be one.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:40 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:This guy isn't even in the closet. Before you make an analogy to civil rights, as if being born and being unable to choose is in anyway comparable to this issue, you can't become "un-black". If he hated gay people, he wouldn't be one.


Have you ever had any gay desire?

...

No?

Then you can't choose.

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The Mongol Ilkhanate
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:46 am

Euroslavia wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
This guy isn't even in the closet. Before you make an analogy to civil rights, as if being born and being unable to choose is in anyway comparable to this issue, you can't become "un-black". If he hated gay people, he wouldn't be one.

I see that you've never seen any talk show that has had people on there who can't stand their own race. Look up some Maury/Jenny Jones show themes. Hell, it's occasionally on news channels about people refusing to date anyone on their own race. The fact that you think that it's impossible for a gay man to hate gay people shows how ignorant you are about this topic, not to mention the fact that you seem to think he could suddenly change his sexuality.


But if he hated gays, he'd stop being one.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:47 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:But if he hated gays, he'd stop being one.


Samuraikoku wrote:Have you ever had any gay desire?

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No?

Then you can't choose.


You don't stop being gay.

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Postby Divair » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:47 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Euroslavia wrote:I see that you've never seen any talk show that has had people on there who can't stand their own race. Look up some Maury/Jenny Jones show themes. Hell, it's occasionally on news channels about people refusing to date anyone on their own race. The fact that you think that it's impossible for a gay man to hate gay people shows how ignorant you are about this topic, not to mention the fact that you seem to think he could suddenly change his sexuality.


But if he hated gays, he'd stop being one.

Implying sexual orientation is a choice.

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The Mongol Ilkhanate
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:47 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:This guy isn't even in the closet. Before you make an analogy to civil rights, as if being born and being unable to choose is in anyway comparable to this issue, you can't become "un-black". If he hated gay people, he wouldn't be one.


Have you ever had any gay desire?

...

No?

Then you can't choose.


Sure I can. There is no physical restriction that says I as a heterosexual can't have sex with men. I don't choose that way, but I could.

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The Mongol Ilkhanate
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:48 am

Divair wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
But if he hated gays, he'd stop being one.

Implying sexual orientation is a choice.


Monozygotic twins, where one is straight and one is gay, prove one is definitively not born gay.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:48 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:Sure I can. There is no physical restriction that says I as a heterosexual can't have sex with men. I don't choose that way, but I could.


You'd be betraying yourself as your sexual orientation runs in a different way.

Now reverse it and think that from a gay person's side.

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Postby Divair » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:49 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Divair wrote:Implying sexual orientation is a choice.


Monozygotic twins, where one is straight and one is gay, prove one is definitively not born gay.

I think you don't understand what mono-zygotic means in terms of genetic development.

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Postby R Ev0lution » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:51 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Divair wrote:Implying sexual orientation is a choice.


Monozygotic twins, where one is straight and one is gay, prove one is definitively not born gay.

Because the DNA of twins is 100% identical.

Also, start by proving that there has been a pair of twins out there who have different sexual orientations.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:52 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Divair wrote:Implying sexual orientation is a choice.


Monozygotic twins, where one is straight and one is gay, prove one is definitively not born gay.

Not a choice != born gay.


The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Have you ever had any gay desire?

...

No?

Then you can't choose.


Sure I can. There is no physical restriction that says I as a heterosexual can't have sex with men. I don't choose that way, but I could.

Having sex with men doesn't mean you're gay. Being sexually attracted to men means you're gay.

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Postby Euroslavia » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:03 am

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Euroslavia wrote:I see that you've never seen any talk show that has had people on there who can't stand their own race. Look up some Maury/Jenny Jones show themes. Hell, it's occasionally on news channels about people refusing to date anyone on their own race. The fact that you think that it's impossible for a gay man to hate gay people shows how ignorant you are about this topic, not to mention the fact that you seem to think he could suddenly change his sexuality.


But if he hated gays, he'd stop being one.

Thank you for proving your ignorance. No need to respond to you any further.
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Postby Shady Deals » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:16 am

As per the 1st Amendment, people have a right to their opinion. It may be unpopular, stupid, and even completely ridiculous, however, each citizen is entitled to have an opinion. This issue started with the Chief Operating Officer, Dan Cathy admitting to being "guilty as charged" when it comes to supporting traditional marriage. From there we've witnessed it erupt into a media firestorm.

What really is unacceptable is the mayors of Chicago and Boston simultaneously declaring that Chic-Fil-A cannot enter their respective cities because of the firm's values. I am not aware of any legitimate cases of homosexual employees and/or customers being discriminated against. If there is documented cases of discriminated based on sexual preference then there would be a genuine case of "You're not allowed here."

Consumers do have a choice in the matter - if you don't want your money going organizations that support traditional marriage (or anti-gay as it has been popularized here on NSG) then simply don't eat at Chic-Fil-A. If you're craving fast food chicken there's KFC, Popeye's, McDonald's, and Burger King, just to name a few.

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Postby Rasoan » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:29 am

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Postby Gauthier » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:34 am

Rasoan wrote:[snip]


Too Soon.
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