Chick Fil-A Day!

[Natair]

Please source where the government says "You're Christian so we're shutting you down".

We never claimed they did. We're saying that his religious values should have nothing to do with his business practices.

If you must know, google "separation of church and state" then come back when you're informed.

[TomKirk]

I see that you've never seen any talk show that has had people on there who can't stand their own race. Look up some Maury/Jenny Jones show themes. Hell, it's occasionally on news channels about people refusing to date anyone on their own race. The fact that you think that it's impossible for a gay man to hate gay people shows how ignorant you are about this topic, not to mention the fact that you seem to think he could suddenly change his sexuality.

But if he hated gays, he'd stop being one.

If there is sufficient self-loathing, he will "stop being one" in the only way possible: suicide. This is what Christians tend to push their gay kids towards, not necessarily intentionally, but all too often.

[TomKirk]

As per the 1st Amendment, people have a right to their opinion. It may be unpopular, stupid, and even completely ridiculous, however, each citizen is entitled to have an opinion. This issue started with the Chief Operating Officer, Dan Cathy admitting to being "guilty as charged" when it comes to supporting traditional marriage. From there we've witnessed it erupt into a media firestorm.

The issue started many years ago, over the company's rampantly discriminatory policies (not only against gays but against anyone who does not fit in with their particular religious views). It started attracting public attention after Cathy's attempt to characterize the dispute as only about the marriage issue, an effort to distract from the core of what is going on; and escalated with Huckabee's political grandstanding. The initial spark was the Muppets deciding to end any further promotions with them, after becoming informed of Chick-Fil-A's multi-million-dollar donations to extremist organizations, which lobby against nondiscrimination laws of any kind (not just marriage equality), lobby overseas for criminal punishments for us (including capital punishment), and operate camps where gay kids are abused (physically as well as psychologically).

[Gravlen]

"The people" are not a single group with one, unified opinion. Lots of them hate gays.

I know this but as far as I can tell the pro-gay movement is stronger then the Anti-gay movement.

Ah, so that's why gay marriage currently is legalized nationwide in the US.

In the recent Prop 8...

Speaking of Prop 8, it shows exactly what can happen if someone with a lot of money try to influence public opinion.

It's not about "outvoting" the people, it's about making your perception reality.

Case in point, from the Yes on 8 campaign:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7352ZVMKBQM

Note what they aren't saying, and what they are saying.

[Greed and Death]

I know this but as far as I can tell the pro-gay movement is stronger then the Anti-gay movement.

Ah, so that's why gay marriage currently is legalized nationwide in the US.

In the recent Prop 8...

Speaking of Prop 8, it shows exactly what can happen if someone with a lot of money try to influence public opinion.

It's not about "outvoting" the people, it's about making your perception reality.

Case in point, from the Yes on 8 campaign:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7352ZVMKBQM

Note what they aren't saying, and what they are saying.

MY understanding is the vote no on prop 8 fund was better funded.

If money bought elections I think No would have won.

[Gravlen]

Might be that thing where he doesn't want gays to have the same rights as straights.

Did he actually say that? His policy was "hate the sin, love the sinner." He did not wish to deny rights to anyone.

Sure he does, lest "we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say 'we know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage' [...]"

http://www.towleroad.com/2012/07/cathycomments.html#ixzz22bFABa4g

[Gravlen]

Ah, so that's why gay marriage currently is legalized nationwide in the US.


Speaking of Prop 8, it shows exactly what can happen if someone with a lot of money try to influence public opinion.

It's not about "outvoting" the people, it's about making your perception reality.

Case in point, from the Yes on 8 campaign:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7352ZVMKBQM

Note what they aren't saying, and what they are saying.

MY understanding is the vote no on prop 8 fund was better funded.

If money bought elections I think No would have won.

I'm not saying that money automatically buys elections, but I don't think you believe money doesn't matter at all either.

However, when it came to prop 8 the campaigns didn't really fight the same battle. No on 8 was about allowing gay people to get married. Yes on 8 was about protecting the children.

Small wonder Yes on 8 won.

Edit: Mixed up yes and no.

[Greed and Death]

MY understanding is the vote no on prop 8 fund was better funded.

If money bought elections I think No would have won.

I'm not saying that money automatically buys elections, but I don't think you believe money doesn't matter at all either.

However, when it came to prop 8 the campaigns didn't really fight the same battle. Yes on 8 was about allowing gay people to get married. No on 8 was about protecting the children.

Small wonder No on 8 won.

I think you reversed them.
Yes was for blocking gay marriage, and no was for not overturning the California Supreme court.

[Gravlen]

MY understanding is the vote no on prop 8 fund was better funded.

Edit: You're right, my bad.

The campaigns for and against Proposition 8 raised $39.0 million [...] and $44.1 million [...] respectively,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_8#Campaign_funding_and_spending

http://projects.latimes.com/prop8/

[Gravlen]

I'm not saying that money automatically buys elections, but I don't think you believe money doesn't matter at all either.

However, when it came to prop 8 the campaigns didn't really fight the same battle. Yes on 8 was about allowing gay people to get married. No on 8 was about protecting the children.

Small wonder No on 8 won.

I think you reversed them.
Yes was for blocking gay marriage, and no was for not overturning the California Supreme court.

You're right, I got them mixed up.

No always sound more negative...

[New Embossia]

Please source where the government says "You're Christian so we're shutting you down".

We never claimed they did. We're saying that his religious values should have nothing to do with his business practices.

If you must know, google "separation of church and state" then come back when you're informed.

Also today is Chick Fil-A day so go get some. Reason for it is that the government is forcing places to close down on food chain because of they're Christian and anti-gay marriage.

Source it.

[Cthulhutu]

Either way, I went to Chick Fil-A day.

It was delicious, and the lines extended out onto the highway. Quite incredible.

[Germanic Templars]

Either way, I went to Chick Fil-A day.

It was delicious, and the lines extended out onto the highway. Quite incredible.

And Hilarious.

[Xathranaar]

Either way, I went to Chick Fil-A day.

It was delicious, and the lines extended out onto the highway. Quite incredible.

And thus it was that natural selection solved the issue of gay marriage.

[Cthulhutu]

Either way, I went to Chick Fil-A day.

It was delicious, and the lines extended out onto the highway. Quite incredible.

And thus it was that natural selection solved the issue of gay marriage.

The food at Chick Fil-A is fantastic, so I'm slightly confused as to what you mean.

On an amusing side note, I read that there was a counterprotest in a few cities. As far as I can tell, basically nobody showed up.

[Farnhamia]

Either way, I went to Chick Fil-A day.

It was delicious, and the lines extended out onto the highway. Quite incredible.

And Hilarious.

And dangerous.

[Cthulhutu]

And Hilarious.

And dangerous.

Actually, pretty much everyone on the highway was turning into the restaurant. The entire highway looked like a giant line.

Wasn't really dangerous.

[Tmutarakhan]

Monozygotic twins, where one is straight and one is gay, prove one is definitively not born gay.

Because the DNA of twins is 100% identical.

Also, start by proving that there has been a pair of twins out there who have different sexual orientations.

There are several such known cases; I read an interview in Esquire with a pair who were also enantiomorphic (a not-terribly-uncommon phenomenon among identicals in which one is right-handed and has clockwise hair-whorl while the other is left-handed and counter-clockwise, and in this case also gay): the best line was when they were asked if they were often mistaken for each other and said, "It is particularly disconcerting to realize the person you are talking to thinks he or she has slept with you." However, if one identical twin is gay, the chance that the other will be is about 60%, which is far higher than is the case for fraternal (or dizygotic) twins (whose DNA is no more similar than siblings born at different times), indicating a strong genetic predisposition, not simply post-birth environmental factors (which are as similar in the case of fraternal twins as for identical twins). A genetic predisposition, however, does not translate to a 100% chance of a characteristic developing; what the other factors are, we simply do not know at present.

[New Genoa]

And thus it was that natural selection solved the issue of gay marriage.

The food at Chick Fil-A is fantastic, so I'm slightly confused as to what you mean.

On an amusing side note, I read that there was a counterprotest in a few cities. As far as I can tell, basically nobody showed up.

A line of people standing on the highway certainly sounds safe and intelligent.

[Cthulhutu]

The food at Chick Fil-A is fantastic, so I'm slightly confused as to what you mean.

On an amusing side note, I read that there was a counterprotest in a few cities. As far as I can tell, basically nobody showed up.

A line of people standing on the highway certainly sounds safe and intelligent.

They were in cars, not standing. That should have been obvious. Do you have any reading comprehension?

It actually was rather safe and intelligent.

[Farnhamia]

The food at Chick Fil-A is fantastic, so I'm slightly confused as to what you mean.

On an amusing side note, I read that there was a counterprotest in a few cities. As far as I can tell, basically nobody showed up.

A line of people standing on the highway certainly sounds safe and intelligent.

Xathranaar was right about natural selection, I guess.

[Tmutarakhan]

Might be that thing where he doesn't want gays to have the same rights as straights.

Did he actually say that? His policy was "hate the sin, love the sinner." He did not wish to deny rights to anyone.

He actively campaigns to keep it legal for us to be fired from our jobs and evicted from our homes arbitrarily; the groups he contributes to also campaign overseas for criminalization (capital punishment, where they think they can get it), and run camps where gay kids are abused (physically, as well as psychologically). His statement framing the whole issue in terms of the marriage question alone, as if that was the only problem, was a masterpiece of distraction.

[Keronika]

Either way, I went to Chick Fil-A day.

It was delicious, and the lines extended out onto the highway. Quite incredible.

And Hilarious.

Chick-fil-a should really thank the city leaders of Chicago and Boston for all the publicity!

[Cthulhutu]

And Hilarious.

Chick-fil-a should really thank the city leaders of Chicago and Boston for all the publicity!

I know, right?

I have a friend who works there, and they said that the place raked in more money on that single day than they normally did in a week.

[JuNii]

We never claimed they did. We're saying that his religious values should have nothing to do with his business practices.

If you must know, google "separation of church and state" then come back when you're informed.

Also today is Chick Fil-A day so go get some. Reason for it is that the government is forcing places to close down on food chain because of they're Christian and anti-gay marriage.

Source it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/chick-fi ... d=16853890

A Chicago politician said he will block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in his ward, following anti-gay marriage remarks by the fast food chain's president.

Alderman Joe Moreno, who represents Chicago's Logan Square neighborhood, plans to use his aldermanic privilege, a Chicago tradition in which City Council members defer to aldermen on local matters, to block the restaurant's permit.
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Boston Mayor Thomas Menino sent Cathy a letter informing him "There is no place for discrimination on Boston's Freedom Trail and no place for your company alongside it."

so state government is trying to block the company from opening more stores...

"They should be in the business of selling chicken, not promoting a political philosophy," he said. "If they want to come out with an anti-discrimination policy, put it in their employee handbook, post it in their restaurants…then we can have a discussion."

is their ceo's view part of the company policy? or is this more example of ignorance on both sides of an issue.