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Should Incest Be Legalized?

Yes
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46%
No
31
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Only for non-reproductive acts
23
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Coffee Cakes
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Raeyh
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Postby Raeyh » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:49 pm

Baftrick wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
Interracial couplings leads to healthy children. Incest does not.


What about couplings between people with genetic diseases? Are you going to ban those?


If they somehow knew that they had a genetic disease. I'm still annoyed at my parents for making me high risk for diabetes, come to think of it.

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Postby Olthar » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:49 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Dracoria wrote:I have another question for this thread.

Can the elephant consent to? And if so...Umm...Do you need a stepstool or something to get to the open door?


That sounds like a good topic too! I think animals can consent, so I should be able to fuck a turtle. Thoughts?

If you can prove that the turtle is capable of consent, then sure. There's no reason for sex between two consenting beings to be illegal.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:49 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Winland wrote:There's our fundamental disagreement. Most other people on here appear to be moral relativists or nihilists.
There's nothing "wrong" with consentual incest because both parties involved would find nothing "wrong" with it.


I suppose assisted suicide, snuff films, and other assorted "consensual" acts fall into this category of "not wrong"


They do.
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Postby NMaa949 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:50 pm

Baby-making crews! Fuck yeah!
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Postby The Crimson Realm » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:50 pm

Moving Forward Inc wrote:
The Crimson Realm wrote:
Should be. Only state-sanctioned reproductions under the watchful eye of specially trained "Baby Making" crews should be allowed. All others found in the awful act of consensual fornicating should be lashed in public and made sterile...

Get back up Santorum's ass you...


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Postby Dracoria » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:50 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Crimson Realm wrote:
Should be. Only state-sanctioned reproductions under the watchful eye of specially trained "Baby Making" crews should be allowed. All others found in the awful act of consensual fornicating should be lashed in public and made sterile...

And if you look to your left children you will see a Fascist.


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Postby Winland » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:50 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Winland wrote:There's our fundamental disagreement. Most other people on here appear to be moral relativists or nihilists.
There's nothing "wrong" with consentual incest because both parties involved would find nothing "wrong" with it.


I suppose assisted suicide, snuff films, and other assorted "consensual" acts fall into this category of "not wrong"

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:51 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Get back up Santorum's ass you...


Santorum was a leftist, Communist, pinko. We need a true Conservative!


Who, Obama?
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Postby Olthar » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:51 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Winland wrote:There's our fundamental disagreement. Most other people on here appear to be moral relativists or nihilists.
There's nothing "wrong" with consentual incest because both parties involved would find nothing "wrong" with it.


I suppose assisted suicide, snuff films, and other assorted "consensual" acts fall into this category of "not wrong"

There is nothing wrong with either, as long as they are consensual.

Though, snuff films don't exist.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:51 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:No no, my turtle gave me the little 'head nod' thing they do when I asked if he wanted it!

991 dispatch: Hello? What is your emergency?
Geni: Yeah there's a guy here saying that he fucks turtles, is that a crime?
991 dispatch:. .......what?
Geni: There's a guy here saying that he fucks turtles, is there something I'm supposed to do?
991 dispatch: I...have no idea, how is that even possible?
Geni: Fuck if I know.

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Postby NMaa949 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:51 pm

Raeyh wrote:If they somehow knew that they had a genetic disease. I'm still annoyed at my parents for making me high risk for diabetes, come to think of it.

I will agree with you if you agree to convert to totalitarianism.
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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:51 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Crimson Realm wrote:
I suppose assisted suicide, snuff films, and other assorted "consensual" acts fall into this category of "not wrong"

Exactly, there is no victim so it is a victim-less crime, and the previous statement is absurd so it is not a crime at all.
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Postby Baftrick » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:51 pm

Raeyh wrote:
Baftrick wrote:
What about couplings between people with genetic diseases? Are you going to ban those?


If they somehow knew that they had a genetic disease. I'm still annoyed at my parents for making me high risk for diabetes, come to think of it.


I disagree, but fair enough. I suppose this comes down to the old argument: the rights of the child vs. the rights of the parent. The same real argument surrounding abortion, actually, only less intense and vitriolic. Well, it was before The Crimson Realm showed up.

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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:51 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Winland wrote:There's our fundamental disagreement. Most other people on here appear to be moral relativists or nihilists.
There's nothing "wrong" with consentual incest because both parties involved would find nothing "wrong" with it.


I suppose assisted suicide, snuff films, and other assorted "consensual" acts fall into this category of "not wrong"


Why would assisted suicide be wrong?

Snuff films, if they actually existed, would be a person being murdered on tape. I'm not sure how many people consent to being murdered, but there is a significant gulf between two consenting adults having sex with one another and someone murdering another person on film and then distributing it.

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Postby Grand Britannia » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:52 pm

Olthar wrote:Incest is wincest.

Nah, but seriously, I don't have a problem with it. As long as all parties involved are consenting, I see no reason why any form of sex should be illegal.


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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:52 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Crimson Realm wrote:No no, my turtle gave me the little 'head nod' thing they do when I asked if he wanted it!

991 dispatch: Hello? What is your emergency?
Geni: Yeah there's a guy here saying that he fucks turtles, is that a crime?
991 dispatch:. .......what?
Geni: There's a guy here saying that he fucks turtles, is there something I'm supposed to do?
991 dispatch: I...have no idea, how is that even possible?
Geni: Fuck if I know.


Mav: Gen! Why didn't you tell me!? I want to join!
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Postby Raeyh » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:52 pm

NMaa949 wrote:
Raeyh wrote:If they somehow knew that they had a genetic disease. I'm still annoyed at my parents for making me high risk for diabetes, come to think of it.

I will agree with you if you agree to convert to totalitarianism.


I'm an authoritarian and that's basically the same thing.

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Postby AiliailiA » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:52 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Baftrick wrote:
Maybe because the mods aren't nearly as closed-minded as you are. Controversial opinions aren't against the rules. Moreover, grotesqueness? A hundred years ago, people would say the same about interracial couplings. Your views are, like then, a product of a common yet bigoted mindset.


Again, if believing incest is horrible is bigoted, then I'll be a bigoted mofo all-day everyday. See, if you want to go screw your brother, be my guest, but I hope your ass gets the penalty (whatever penalty that may be) for doing it. On that note, what is the legal penalty for incest?


Typically two years jail. Quite a few countries have no punishment for adult incesters (if that's a word) but do not permit marriage.
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Postby Dracoria » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:52 pm

NMaa949 wrote:Baby-making crews! Fuck yeah!


Oh god no. If they're as efficient as the roadmaking crews, our new babies will be in the womb for 3-5 years and only last another 2-3 before they need to be resurfaced. Plus, they always seem to shut down genital lanes during rush hour.
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Postby Cill Charthaigh » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:52 pm

Olthar wrote:Incest is wincest.

Nah, but seriously, I don't have a problem with it. As long as all parties involved are consenting, I see no reason why any form of sex should be illegal.


Even if it involves elephants?
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:52 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Genivaria wrote:991 dispatch: Hello? What is your emergency?
Geni: Yeah there's a guy here saying that he fucks turtles, is that a crime?
991 dispatch:. .......what?
Geni: There's a guy here saying that he fucks turtles, is there something I'm supposed to do?
991 dispatch: I...have no idea, how is that even possible?
Geni: Fuck if I know.


Mav: Gen! Why didn't you tell me!? I want to join!

Down Mav! Down! We do not fuck amphibians! We leave that to Saurissia.
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Postby The Crimson Realm » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:53 pm

Olthar wrote:
The Crimson Realm wrote:
I suppose assisted suicide, snuff films, and other assorted "consensual" acts fall into this category of "not wrong"

There is nothing wrong with either, as long as they are consensual.

Though, snuff films don't exist.


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Postby Allrule » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:54 pm

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Moving Forward Inc wrote:Get back up Santorum's ass you...


Santorum was a leftist, Communist, pinko. We need a true Conservative!

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Santorum was pretty much as far to the right as you could go without running into Fascist/Nazi territory...
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:54 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Mav: Gen! Why didn't you tell me!? I want to join!

Down Mav! Down! We do not fuck amphibians! We leave that to Saurissia.


Who is this "we"? If this "we" doesn't allow me to have sex with amphibians, then I don't want to be a part of this "we"!
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Postby Olthar » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:54 pm

Cill Charthaigh wrote:
Olthar wrote:Incest is wincest.

Nah, but seriously, I don't have a problem with it. As long as all parties involved are consenting, I see no reason why any form of sex should be illegal.


Even if it involves elephants?

Sure. Why should it be illegal for an elephant to fuck a relative?
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