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Should Incest Be Legalized?

Yes
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46%
No
31
24%
Only for non-reproductive acts
23
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Coffee Cakes
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Dracoria
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Postby Dracoria » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:43 pm

I have another question for this thread.

Can the elephant consent to? And if so...Umm...Do you need a stepstool or something to get to the open door?
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Postby NMaa949 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:43 pm

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:43 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Hence why you don't... wait for it... reproduce!

Hey Mav, are you still a woman?


Depends. Do you want me to be for tonight?
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The Crimson Realm
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Postby The Crimson Realm » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:44 pm

Luziyca wrote:
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Um, then the twins should be punished according to their crimes. Incest is a crime. Point blank. And it should stay that way forever and ever and ever :D

Until incest is legal, in which case you vote for someone who wants it banned, but because it is a minority, incest will be legalized. The more closed minded a society is, the more likely it'll tumble down the slope that South Africa did back in '48 and never escaped 'til '94.


I love the fact that you compare such things as banning political parties based on race to incest. It just stuns the ever-living hell out of me. I never realized how backwards I was up until this point... Boy I am happy with myself. Next thing you know, you guys will tell me that we should make enslaving people illegal D;
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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:44 pm

Dracoria wrote:I have another question for this thread.

Can the elephant consent to? And if so...Umm...Do you need a stepstool or something to get to the open door?


:rofl: Ugh. Too many elephant puns.
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Postby Raeyh » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:44 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Raeyh wrote:Interracial couplings leads to healthy children. Incest does not.


Hence why you don't... wait for it... reproduce!


I'm pretty sure that if someone gets arrested for incest, they did reproduce.

It should still be illegal universally just to be on the safe side.

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The Crimson Realm
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Postby The Crimson Realm » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:45 pm

Dracoria wrote:I have another question for this thread.

Can the elephant consent to? And if so...Umm...Do you need a stepstool or something to get to the open door?


That sounds like a good topic too! I think animals can consent, so I should be able to fuck a turtle. Thoughts?
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Postby Baftrick » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:45 pm

Raeyh wrote:
Baftrick wrote:
Maybe because the mods aren't nearly as closed-minded as you are. Controversial opinions aren't against the rules. Moreover, grotesqueness? A hundred years ago, people would say the same about interracial couplings. Your views are, like then, a product of a common yet bigoted mindset.


Interracial couplings leads to healthy children. Incest does not.


What about couplings between people with genetic diseases? Are you going to ban those?

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:45 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Hey Mav, are you still a woman?


Depends. Do you want me to be for tonight?

Shut up and bend over. :p

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:46 pm

Raeyh wrote:
I'm pretty sure that if someone gets arrested for incest, they did reproduce.

It should still be illegal universally just to be on the safe side.


Go ahead, give a source for this. I'll be waiting.
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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:46 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote: Next thing you know, you guys will tell me that we should make enslaving people illegal D;

EXACTLY :palm:
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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:46 pm

Raeyh wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Hence why you don't... wait for it... reproduce!


I'm pretty sure that if someone gets arrested for incest, they did reproduce.

It should still be illegal universally just to be on the safe side.


The only way it can be banned if the UN bans incest. Otherwise, nations are free to make their own laws on incest. If it is in the bedroom, the government should not place telescreens to monitor our sexual habits.
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Postby Page » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:47 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Dracoria wrote:I have another question for this thread.

Can the elephant consent to? And if so...Umm...Do you need a stepstool or something to get to the open door?


That sounds like a good topic too! I think animals can consent, so I should be able to fuck a turtle. Thoughts?


My belief is that animals can't consent, so no, you can't. It's pretty simple, morality has to be based on a principle of harm. If two closely related consenting adults are having sex which doesn't result in procreation, I may think it's the most damn weird thing ever, but I don't think they should be subject to prosecution under the law.
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Postby The Crimson Realm » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:47 pm

Baftrick wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
Interracial couplings leads to healthy children. Incest does not.


What about couplings between people with genetic diseases? Are you going to ban those?


Should be. Only state-sanctioned reproductions under the watchful eye of specially trained "Baby Making" crews should be allowed. All others found in the awful act of consensual fornicating should be lashed in public and made sterile...
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:47 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Dracoria wrote:I have another question for this thread.

Can the elephant consent to? And if so...Umm...Do you need a stepstool or something to get to the open door?


That sounds like a good topic too! I think animals can consent, so I should be able to fuck a turtle. Thoughts?

No they can't. You don't understand consent.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:47 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Depends. Do you want me to be for tonight?

Shut up and bend over. :p

What, with my clothes on? Didn't know you were into dry-humping.
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Postby Winland » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:47 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:simply because some things are wrong.

There's our fundamental disagreement. Most other people on here appear to be moral relativists or nihilists.
There's nothing "wrong" with consentual incest because both parties involved would find nothing "wrong" with it.
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The Crimson Realm wrote:I love the fact that you compare such things as banning political parties based on race to incest. It just stuns the ever-living hell out of me. I never realized how backwards I was up until this point... Boy I am happy with myself. Next thing you know, you guys will tell me that we should make enslaving people illegal D;

AND YOU LYNCH BLACK PEOPLE
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Postby The Crimson Realm » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:47 pm

No no, my turtle gave me the little 'head nod' thing they do when I asked if he wanted it!
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Postby Cill Charthaigh » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:48 pm

Dracoria wrote:I have another question for this thread.

Can the elephant consent to? And if so...Umm...Do you need a stepstool or something to get to the open door?


I don't know what kind of mental disorder you have that would make you want an elephant to join in. Gross.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:48 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Baftrick wrote:
What about couplings between people with genetic diseases? Are you going to ban those?


Should be. Only state-sanctioned reproductions under the watchful eye of specially trained "Baby Making" crews should be allowed. All others found in the awful act of consensual fornicating should be lashed in public and made sterile...

And if you look to your left children you will see a Fascist.

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Postby Allrule » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:48 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Dracoria wrote:I have another question for this thread.

Can the elephant consent to? And if so...Umm...Do you need a stepstool or something to get to the open door?


That sounds like a good topic too! I think animals can consent, so I should be able to fuck a turtle. Thoughts?

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Postby The Crimson Realm » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:49 pm

Winland wrote:
The Crimson Realm wrote:simply because some things are wrong.

There's our fundamental disagreement. Most other people on here appear to be moral relativists or nihilists.
There's nothing "wrong" with consentual incest because both parties involved would find nothing "wrong" with it.


I suppose assisted suicide, snuff films, and other assorted "consensual" acts fall into this category of "not wrong"
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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:49 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Baftrick wrote:
What about couplings between people with genetic diseases? Are you going to ban those?


Should be. Only state-sanctioned reproductions under the watchful eye of specially trained "Baby Making" crews should be allowed. All others found in the awful act of consensual fornicating should be lashed in public and made sterile...

Get back up Santorum's ass you...
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:49 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:You guys are just so far... Gone I guess is the word. It's seriously disturbing how anyone could ever... Idk I've said it before, some of you guys need actual help from specialists. There is a certain 'line' one does not cross, and this is one of them. Incest is... Well it's sick. It's as sick as rape or murder and just as illegal thankfully. It will remain that way and I'm quite glad of it. Looks to me I'll be the 'bigoted' guy on the forum and that's cool with me if bigots are now the ones not wanting family orgies...


You don't seem to be providing an argument for why incest is as bad as rape and murder.

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Baftrick wrote:So siblings aren't allowed to procreate because of an increased risk of passing down recessive genetic diseases. Then why not ban people with said genetic diseases from reproducing, too? The risk is far greater for them, so it would make much more sense. Why do we let people with Down syndrome have children? If you want to ban incest for this reason, you absolutely have to ban the other, or else you're just a hypocrite.


No, siblings shouldn't be able to reproduce with one another because they're siblings.


One of the arguments used against leaving people to there own business when it comes to incest is the potential for children and the increased risk posed by closely related individuals having children (which generally isn't as great as people make out and a similar risk or greater can be found in certain non incestuous heterosexual relationships).

It seems enough to point out people who can pass on serious genetic conditions are not prevented from having sexual relationships, they are free to have children if they wish (though many would condemn that) or if they decide not to they use birth control. Likewise people beyond a certain age are also free to have children despite the increase of risk there.

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