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Should Incest Be Legalized?

Yes
58
46%
No
31
24%
Only for non-reproductive acts
23
18%
Coffee Cakes
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Raeyh
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Postby Raeyh » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:35 pm

NMaa949 wrote:
Raeyh wrote:Literally? Like if you went to the Chrysler building in New York, there would be a huge disembodied brain?

Corporations have brains.


Where? Where are these corporate brains?

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Postby Baftrick » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:36 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Baftrick wrote:So siblings aren't allowed to procreate because of an increased risk of passing down recessive genetic diseases. Then why not ban people with said genetic diseases from reproducing, too? The risk is far greater for them, so it would make much more sense. Why do we let people with Down syndrome have children? If you want to ban incest for this reason, you absolutely have to ban the other, or else you're just a hypocrite.


No, siblings shouldn't be able to reproduce with one another because they're siblings.


Well, at least you're consistent. Bigoted, moralistic, and self-righteous, but consistent. Props, I guess.

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Postby NMaa949 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:36 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:No, siblings shouldn't be able to reproduce with one another because they're siblings.

Do you understand how reproduction works?
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Postby Huskvarneque » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:36 pm

Novairia wrote:
Alaje wrote:Incest should remain locked up and be tossed into a ravine.


Same feel here too.. though you may want to shoot it a few times, have it checked by a doctor to be clinicly dead, then incinerate it, have its ashes mixed with diesel, re-incinerated it, take its new ashes and mix with concrete, pour ashcrete into the lock box, lock said box, haul it into a ravine, dig 20 foot deep by 20 foot diameter hole, concrete 4 feet of of hole bottom, wait for it to set, wrap lock box with celophane and duct tape, place box in hole, fill 10 feet of hole with concrete, wait for it to set, cover remaining 6 feet of hole with clay and top soil.

THEN nuke the area with a 500kt salted fission bomb, airbursted at 200 feet, causing the area to be a no enter zone for a few hundred years. That way they will never ever find the Incest again.


Sounds like what I want to do to humanity... *cough**cough*

But no, seriously, whatever, if two people who are related want to get intimate, who are us other people to tell them yes or no? Eww.... people getting involved in other peoples business... d:

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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:37 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Baftrick wrote:So siblings aren't allowed to procreate because of an increased risk of passing down recessive genetic diseases. Then why not ban people with said genetic diseases from reproducing, too? The risk is far greater for them, so it would make much more sense. Why do we let people with Down syndrome have children? If you want to ban incest for this reason, you absolutely have to ban the other, or else you're just a hypocrite.


No, siblings shouldn't be able to reproduce with one another because they're siblings.

Suppose in a household, you have a nuclear family, two parents, and twins: one boy, one girl (or as I'll refer from hereon forward, XY and XX). XY and XX want to have sex, but the parents say they can only have sex TOGETHER. So, they head down to the family cabin, and get druunk. 40 weeks later, XX gives birth to a child.

Both XX and XY are proud, and the parents allow them to have sex with however the hell they like.
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Postby NMaa949 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:37 pm

Genivaria wrote:Wincest.

Wincest.
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Distruzio wrote:The Soviet Union? Nazi Germany? Fascist Italy? Each authoritarian democracies and each thoroughly tyrannical.

Distruzio suggesting that the Soviet Union was a democracy.
Bralia wrote:Exploring demands risk. Exploration may not reveal something useful. And yet we still do it. Because something could be found that could revolutionize the world. Yandere, if you don't want to stick even your nose out the front door, that's your own business, but don't try and drag the rest of the world along with you.

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Postby The Crimson Realm » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:37 pm

Moving Forward Inc wrote:
The Crimson Realm wrote:Again, people need mental help if they're 'consenting' to having sexual relations with their brother, mother, or whatever... I really am not even going to play as if I'm accepting to this. It's illegal, not because it's 'frowned upon', but simply because some things are wrong.

Your perception of what is wrong does not seem to be very good.
Tell me how in a free society if two consenting persons engage in the act of incest it is immoral.


Well, two people can consent all they want and have all the sex they want in private... As long as they aren't brother/sister/dad/mother/etc. And your opinion on my 'perception of wrong' can go along with incest into a ravine. I refuse to be plagued by such... Idk what to call this now... Grotesqueness (?), why is this thread not closed yet -.-
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Postby NMaa949 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:38 pm

Raeyh wrote:Where? Where are these corporate brains?

They are in the upper part of the organs mistakenly refered to as people or humans.
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Distruzio wrote:The Soviet Union? Nazi Germany? Fascist Italy? Each authoritarian democracies and each thoroughly tyrannical.

Distruzio suggesting that the Soviet Union was a democracy.
Bralia wrote:Exploring demands risk. Exploration may not reveal something useful. And yet we still do it. Because something could be found that could revolutionize the world. Yandere, if you don't want to stick even your nose out the front door, that's your own business, but don't try and drag the rest of the world along with you.

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:39 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Your perception of what is wrong does not seem to be very good.
Tell me how in a free society if two consenting persons engage in the act of incest it is immoral.


Well, two people can consent all they want and have all the sex they want in private... As long as they aren't brother/sister/dad/mother/etc. And your opinion on my 'perception of wrong' can go along with incest into a ravine. I refuse to be plagued by such... Idk what to call this now... Grotesqueness (?), why is this thread not closed yet -.-

"Omg its so gross ewwww stop talking about it! Censor!Censor!Censor!" :p

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Postby The Crimson Realm » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:39 pm

Luziyca wrote:
The Crimson Realm wrote:
No, siblings shouldn't be able to reproduce with one another because they're siblings.

Suppose in a household, you have a nuclear family, two parents, and twins: one boy, one girl (or as I'll refer from hereon forward, XY and XX). XY and XX want to have sex, but the parents say they can only have sex TOGETHER. So, they head down to the family cabin, and get druunk. 40 weeks later, XX gives birth to a child.

Both XX and XY are proud, and the parents allow them to have sex with however the hell they like.


Um, then the twins should be punished according to their crimes. Incest is a crime. Point blank. And it should stay that way forever and ever and ever :D
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Postby Baftrick » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:39 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Your perception of what is wrong does not seem to be very good.
Tell me how in a free society if two consenting persons engage in the act of incest it is immoral.


Well, two people can consent all they want and have all the sex they want in private... As long as they aren't brother/sister/dad/mother/etc. And your opinion on my 'perception of wrong' can go along with incest into a ravine. I refuse to be plagued by such... Idk what to call this now... Grotesqueness (?), why is this thread not closed yet -.-


Maybe because the mods aren't nearly as closed-minded as you are. Controversial opinions aren't against the rules. Moreover, grotesqueness? A hundred years ago, people would say the same about interracial couplings. Your views are, like then, a product of a common yet bigoted mindset.

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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:39 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Your perception of what is wrong does not seem to be very good.
Tell me how in a free society if two consenting persons engage in the act of incest it is immoral.


Well, two people can consent all they want and have all the sex they want in private... As long as they aren't brother/sister/dad/mother/etc. And your opinion on my 'perception of wrong' can go along with incest into a ravine. I refuse to be plagued by such... Idk what to call this now... Grotesqueness (?), why is this thread not closed yet -.-

The reason why the thread is not closed yet is because it is like an abortion thread; annoying and inconclusive, but good to bring up (even more rarely THAN abortion).
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Postby NMaa949 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:40 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:As long as they aren't brother/sister/dad/mother/etc.

What about wincest?
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Distruzio wrote:The Soviet Union? Nazi Germany? Fascist Italy? Each authoritarian democracies and each thoroughly tyrannical.

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Bralia wrote:Exploring demands risk. Exploration may not reveal something useful. And yet we still do it. Because something could be found that could revolutionize the world. Yandere, if you don't want to stick even your nose out the front door, that's your own business, but don't try and drag the rest of the world along with you.

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Postby Page » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:40 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Your perception of what is wrong does not seem to be very good.
Tell me how in a free society if two consenting persons engage in the act of incest it is immoral.


Well, two people can consent all they want and have all the sex they want in private... As long as they aren't brother/sister/dad/mother/etc. And your opinion on my 'perception of wrong' can go along with incest into a ravine. I refuse to be plagued by such... Idk what to call this now... Grotesqueness (?), why is this thread not closed yet -.-


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Postby Raeyh » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:41 pm

Baftrick wrote:
The Crimson Realm wrote:
Well, two people can consent all they want and have all the sex they want in private... As long as they aren't brother/sister/dad/mother/etc. And your opinion on my 'perception of wrong' can go along with incest into a ravine. I refuse to be plagued by such... Idk what to call this now... Grotesqueness (?), why is this thread not closed yet -.-


Maybe because the mods aren't nearly as closed-minded as you are. Controversial opinions aren't against the rules. Moreover, grotesqueness? A hundred years ago, people would say the same about interracial couplings. Your views are, like then, a product of a common yet bigoted mindset.


Interracial couplings leads to healthy children. Incest does not.

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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:41 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Suppose in a household, you have a nuclear family, two parents, and twins: one boy, one girl (or as I'll refer from hereon forward, XY and XX). XY and XX want to have sex, but the parents say they can only have sex TOGETHER. So, they head down to the family cabin, and get druunk. 40 weeks later, XX gives birth to a child.

Both XX and XY are proud, and the parents allow them to have sex with however the hell they like.


Um, then the twins should be punished according to their crimes. Incest is a crime. Point blank. And it should stay that way forever and ever and ever :D

Until incest is legal, in which case you vote for someone who wants it banned, but because it is a minority, incest will be legalized. The more closed minded a society is, the more likely it'll tumble down the slope that South Africa did back in '48 and never escaped 'til '94.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:41 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:No, seriously... Wtf am I even seeing right now? Who in their right mind advocates incest in any way or even contemplates allowing it? What sort of stuff have I stumbled into... It's quite disturbing, seeing the minds of people opened on the internet.


Ah, an ignorant comment. I expected nothing less.
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Postby The Crimson Realm » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:41 pm

Baftrick wrote:
The Crimson Realm wrote:
Well, two people can consent all they want and have all the sex they want in private... As long as they aren't brother/sister/dad/mother/etc. And your opinion on my 'perception of wrong' can go along with incest into a ravine. I refuse to be plagued by such... Idk what to call this now... Grotesqueness (?), why is this thread not closed yet -.-


Maybe because the mods aren't nearly as closed-minded as you are. Controversial opinions aren't against the rules. Moreover, grotesqueness? A hundred years ago, people would say the same about interracial couplings. Your views are, like then, a product of a common yet bigoted mindset.


Again, if believing incest is horrible is bigoted, then I'll be a bigoted mofo all-day everyday. See, if you want to go screw your brother, be my guest, but I hope your ass gets the penalty (whatever penalty that may be) for doing it. On that note, what is the legal penalty for incest?
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Postby NMaa949 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:42 pm

Raeyh wrote:Interracial couplings leads to healthy children. Incest does not.

I'll have you know a lot of people are unhealthy.
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Bralia wrote:Exploring demands risk. Exploration may not reveal something useful. And yet we still do it. Because something could be found that could revolutionize the world. Yandere, if you don't want to stick even your nose out the front door, that's your own business, but don't try and drag the rest of the world along with you.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:42 pm

Raeyh wrote:Interracial couplings leads to healthy children. Incest does not.


Hence why you don't... wait for it... reproduce!
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:42 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Baftrick wrote:
Maybe because the mods aren't nearly as closed-minded as you are. Controversial opinions aren't against the rules. Moreover, grotesqueness? A hundred years ago, people would say the same about interracial couplings. Your views are, like then, a product of a common yet bigoted mindset.


Again, if believing incest is horrible is bigoted, then I'll be a bigoted mofo all-day everyday. See, if you want to go screw your brother, be my guest, but I hope your ass gets the penalty (whatever penalty that may be) for doing it. On that note, what is the legal penalty for incest?

Why?

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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:42 pm

The Crimson Realm wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Your perception of what is wrong does not seem to be very good.
Tell me how in a free society if two consenting persons engage in the act of incest it is immoral.


Well, two people can consent all they want and have all the sex they want in private... As long as they aren't brother/sister/dad/mother/etc. And your opinion on my 'perception of wrong' can go along with incest into a ravine. I refuse to be plagued by such... Idk what to call this now... Grotesqueness (?), why is this thread not closed yet -.-

I don't care how grotesque you think it is, there are thousands of legal things that are much more disgusting.
What I am concerned about is that you have no moral argument.
The way I see morals all persons should be guaranteed maximum freedom, and where freedoms are contradictory (Example: Murder will take away someones freedom to live their lives how they see fit as they would be dead) you place rights, and the offenders of these rights are prosecuted.

If two consenting persons, who are related, have consensual sex, then how does it infringe on the freedoms of others?
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Postby Dracoria » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:42 pm

Luziyca wrote:
The Crimson Realm wrote:
Well, two people can consent all they want and have all the sex they want in private... As long as they aren't brother/sister/dad/mother/etc. And your opinion on my 'perception of wrong' can go along with incest into a ravine. I refuse to be plagued by such... Idk what to call this now... Grotesqueness (?), why is this thread not closed yet -.-

The reason why the thread is not closed yet is because it is like an abortion thread; annoying and inconclusive, but good to bring up (even more rarely THAN abortion).


Seems like, among other things, it's bringint up plenty of bile.

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:42 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Raeyh wrote:Interracial couplings leads to healthy children. Incest does not.


Hence why you don't... wait for it... reproduce!

Hey Mav, are you still a woman?

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