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Incest: Elephant or Open Door?

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Should Incest Be Legalized?

Yes
58
46%
No
31
24%
Only for non-reproductive acts
23
18%
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Incest: Elephant or Open Door?

Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:49 pm

Incest is defined by Wikipedia as "sexual intercourse between family members and close relatives. The term may apply to sexual activities between: individuals of close "blood relationship"; members of the same household; step relatives related by adoption or marriage; and members of the same clan or lineage."

In my opinion, I honestly believe on the Bible, that society should tolerate incest. While in the past, incest may have... led to consequences of genetic disorders, with advances in technology, the elephant in the room that is incest, should have the light cast on it and the doors open for it, for with genetic screening and subsequent advances, there is no need whatsoever to avoid incest. The problem is, that it is one of the most common, if not MOST common taboo, because... Who wants to bang with your sister (or brother)? But, if we skim past that obvious reason which I presume many people will use to defend the illegality of incest, it comes back to...

Genetic disorders. Via inbreeding, a product of incest, they are most likely to bear a child with genetic problems that could damage them later on in life. And if you think "oh, its false," meet a Spanish monarch: King Charles II. If why he is so infamous, it is due to the problems he had, which can be traced back to inbreeding. As the family tree of the ancestors of King Charles II of Spain shows,, it could contribute to the MAIN reason why incest is taboo. If, lets that situation repeated himself after King Juan Carlos of Spain dies, with genetic screening, there would be a little chance of Charles III. As a result, with technology, it reduces chance of genetic disorders due to inbreeding and incest.

Thus, I pose NSG a question: Should incest remain "an elephant in the room," or should society tolerate incest as a legitimate form of reproduction?
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Postby SaintB » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:52 pm

There are people here who don't even view sex as a legitimate act of reproduction.
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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:56 pm

SaintB wrote:There are people here who don't even view sex as a legitimate act of reproduction.

Unless if they want IVF to be mandatory, sex is really the only way humanity can survive. For me, I personally won't give a shit if their parents were related to each other (siblings, hint hint), for I'd rather have people on Earth than extinction.
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Postby AiliailiA » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:57 pm

It absolutely should be tolerated where there is no prospect of reproduction (eg, two brothers or two sisters). All potentially reproductive incest should be tolerated if they're using birth control and the woman has no objection to abortion (and that is legally available).

Genetic screening could reduce the risk of inbreeding to a tolerable level, but note that abortion is still involved. Which is where it gets tricky, because I'd never require a woman to have an abortion.
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Postby Xathranaar » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:59 pm

Something about the OP seems off... It's as though you were forcing us to choose between shunning all incest and advocating that people make babies with their sisters.

There is something called, "non-reproductive sex" and I think you should look into it because almost all human sexual behavior falls into this category.
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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:59 pm

Ailiailia wrote:It absolutely should be tolerated where there is no prospect of reproduction (eg, two brothers or two sisters). All potentially reproductive incest should be tolerated if they're using birth control and the woman has no objection to abortion (and that is legally available).

Genetic screening could reduce the risk of inbreeding to a tolerable level, but note that abortion is still involved. Which is where it gets tricky, because I'd never require a woman to have an abortion.


Yes, I understand. Abortion and incest may go hand in hand, but if turns out that they got pregnant, they can do what they want. If she wants to give birth to it, I won't care. If she wants it aborted, I will not care.
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Postby Ora Amaris » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:59 pm

We're all brothers and sisters, anyway. Sure, go for it. Whatever floats your boat.
I would like some more clarification on the genetic front, though. If two siblings reproduced, you're saying that we are able to completely prevent any sort of genetic anomalies arising from incest nowadays?
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Postby Olthar » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:00 pm

Incest is wincest.

Nah, but seriously, I don't have a problem with it. As long as all parties involved are consenting, I see no reason why any form of sex should be illegal.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:01 pm

I don't have an issue with incest, but absolutely no politician wants to touch that issue.

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Postby SaintB » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:02 pm

Olthar wrote:Nah, but seriously, I don't have a problem with it. As long as all parties involved are consenting, I see no reason why any form of sex should be illegal.

I can think of some that should probably be illegal, but I will not mention them in uhmmm polite(?) company.
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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:02 pm

Xathranaar wrote:Something about the OP seems off... It's as though you were forcing us to choose between shunning all incest and advocating that people make babies with their sisters.

There is something called, "non-reproductive sex" and I think you should look into it because almost all human sexual behavior falls into this category.


Ah yes, that. Again, I will not worry about it, but typically, if you have non-reproductive sex, well, it won't matter, unless if it is in plain sight of the public. If it is in the bedroom, go for it!

Ora Amaris wrote:We're all brothers and sisters, anyway. Sure, go for it. Whatever floats your boat.
I would like some more clarification on the genetic front, though. If two siblings reproduced, you're saying that we are able to completely prevent any sort of genetic anomalies arising from incest nowadays?


By completely, I mean "mostly." There is a small chance when the genetic screening fails, but eventually, they may vanish by the end of the century.
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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:03 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:I don't have an issue with incest, but absolutely no politician wants to touch that issue.


-nods- Possibly, because if they did, they may end up committing political suicide?
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Postby Alaje » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:04 pm

Incest should remain locked up and be tossed into a ravine.
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Postby United Dependencies » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:05 pm

I am opposed to incest because it opens the door to multiple problems for future children. However, this pales in comparison to the fact that my main opposition to incest is that it is rare that both parties consented to the act.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:06 pm

Ora Amaris wrote:If two siblings reproduced, you're saying that we are able to completely prevent any sort of genetic anomalies arising from incest nowadays?


No.

We could catch the more obvious ones and have those pregnancies aborted, but that's it.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:07 pm

Olthar wrote:Incest is wincest.

Nah, but seriously, I don't have a problem with it. As long as all parties involved are consenting, I see no reason why any form of sex should be illegal.


Mostly my view as well.

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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:07 pm

United Dependencies wrote:I am opposed to incest because it opens the door to multiple problems for future children. However, this pales in comparison to the fact that my main opposition to incest is that it is rare that both parties consented to the act.


If both parties consent to the act, I'd not worry, but if one does NOT consent, well, they should be charged under laws that make rape illegal. Consider the scenario.

Boy A and Girl B have sex together: both consent, Girl B produces Child C, and they take care of Child C.

Then...

Boy D rapes Girl E. Boy claims consent, Girl does not, girl proves it is not true, the boy gets charged for rape.
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Postby The Humanist Federation » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:08 pm

As long as it's consensual and between to people who are the age of consent, it's no business of mine.

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Postby Allrule » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:10 pm

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Olthar wrote:Incest is wincest.

Nah, but seriously, I don't have a problem with it. As long as all parties involved are consenting, I see no reason why any form of sex should be illegal.


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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:15 pm

Luziyca wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:I am opposed to incest because it opens the door to multiple problems for future children. However, this pales in comparison to the fact that my main opposition to incest is that it is rare that both parties consented to the act.


If both parties consent to the act, I'd not worry, but if one does NOT consent, well, they should be charged under laws that make rape illegal. Consider the scenario.

Boy A and Girl B have sex together: both consent, Girl B produces Child C, and they take care of Child C.

Then...

Boy D rapes Girl E. Boy claims consent, Girl does not, girl proves it is not true, the boy gets charged for rape.


Is there any reason that wouldn't be the case? Rape being rape.

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Postby The Crimson Realm » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:19 pm

No, seriously... Wtf am I even seeing right now? Who in their right mind advocates incest in any way or even contemplates allowing it? What sort of stuff have I stumbled into... It's quite disturbing, seeing the minds of people opened on the internet.
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Postby North California » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:21 pm

As long as both sides are consenting and of age, then sure, go at it.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:21 pm

People who are consenting and of age have every right to mate and even procreate with each other if they choose to.
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