Why "Planned Parenthood" is wrong.

[Jinwoy]

I do not see the reasoning behind why so many people are against "planned parenthood".
The Mother should be given a choice whether she wants the child, or not. I'd rather a child be unborn than born into a lower class family where they will get the lowest form of Education and grow up to be a criminal and strain the American Justice System further.
That being said, I think that Planned Parenthood should only be available to the Middle Class and lower, seeing as how having a child can really strain families that do not have enough income to support their current family.
PERHAPS we can give the Upper Classes abortion, but we just make it really really expensive, and make them have that thing where before you get an abortion, you have to get a ultrasound and the like.

[Tekania]

1. In the normal run of criminal justice systems courts must rule on weather someone is found guilty (beyond reasonable doubt) of a crime in order to be sentenced to jail time or whatever for a crime. Someone is either found guilty and sentenced or is declared innocent.

No they're not.... no one is "found innocent", nor "declared innocent"; they are either found guilty or acquitted ( "found not guilty").

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Can you find me the verse in the Bible where God says "Thou shalt not use contraception"?

"Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother."But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother.What he did was wicked in the lord's sight."

As for masturbation, I already said that you are the same sex as yourself. To achieve orgasm at your own hands shows at least some level of auto eroticism, which is homosexual.

You could argue that the "wicked in the LORD's sight" stems from disobeying a command from Yahweh/Jehovah itself, rather than from the actual coitus interruptus.

Also,

Medical Dictionary
homosexuality ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty (hō'mə-sěk'sh&oomacr;-āl'ĭ-tē, -mō-)
n.

Sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.

Sexual activity with another of the same sex.

[Mavorpen]

2. Yes but if a rock falls on someone you hardly would declare it anything other than innocent in the injury since it cannot chose to fall. Thus the unborn are just as innocent of the violation of their mother's rights because they simply cannot chose to do anything in the situation.

Are you admitting that a fetus is no more sentient and important than a rock?

[The Realm of God]

Can you find me the verse in the Bible where God says "Thou shalt not use contraception"?

"Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother."But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother.What he did was wicked in the lord's sight."

As for masturbation, I already said that you are the same sex as yourself. To achieve orgasm at your own hands shows at least some level of auto eroticism, which is homosexual.

Read that paragraph that I used 5 minutes of my time to write, in order to correct you.

[Ifreann]

1. In the normal run of criminal justice systems courts must rule on weather someone is found guilty (beyond reasonable doubt) of a crime in order to be sentenced to jail time or whatever for a crime. Someone is either found guilty and sentenced or is declared innocent.

That's not strictly true in all jurisdictions.

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Can you find me the verse in the Bible where God says "Thou shalt not use contraception"?

"Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother."But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother.What he did was wicked in the lord's sight."

As for masturbation, I already said that you are the same sex as yourself. To achieve orgasm at your own hands shows at least some level of auto eroticism, which is homosexual.

You have obviously never masturbated before.

[Wamitoria]

To achieve orgasm at your own hands shows at least some level of auto eroticism, which is homosexual.

wut

[Tekania]

Can you find me the verse in the Bible where God says "Thou shalt not use contraception"?

"Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother."But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother.What he did was wicked in the lord's sight."

As for masturbation, I already said that you are the same sex as yourself. To achieve orgasm at your own hands shows at least some level of auto eroticism, which is homosexual.

I don't see how that bears on contraception.... as that passage deals with a duty for a brother to bear offspring on behalf of his deceased brother for purpose of inheritance. Of course it has little applicability outside of those bound by Jewish laws under the Mosaic Covenant.

[Ifreann]

"Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother."But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother.What he did was wicked in the lord's sight."

As for masturbation, I already said that you are the same sex as yourself. To achieve orgasm at your own hands shows at least some level of auto eroticism, which is homosexual.

You could argue that the "wicked in the LORD's sight" stems from disobeying a command from Yahweh/Jehovah itself, rather than from the actual coitus interruptus.

I always thought it was less coitus interruptus and more wankus in desertus, but that makes more sense.

[The Realm of God]

To achieve orgasm at your own hands shows at least some level of auto eroticism, which is homosexual.

wut

He has a **** poor knowlage of Catholic Doctrine.

[Zottistan]

That's how fines work. If you don't pay them, for whatever reason, you get punished. If you can't pay your debt to society with money, you will do it with time, or, depending on where you are, blood. This woman has nobody to blame for this but herself.

Is killing her fetus necessary? A quick note to this story, the woman's husband or her relative was preparing the fine. They were almost ready but the officials said they couldn't wait anymore and basically force her to abort her child. Moreover, even if they couldn't get the money that day, they can always pay by months or year until all the fines have been paid off. I don't see aborting her child as a must here. It's a purely inhumane act.

I'm pretty (but not 100%) sure that there are time limits for legal fines. If there isn't there should be. But if the guy was preparing the fine to pay, I suppose you're right. That was just scummy.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

You could argue that the "wicked in the LORD's sight" stems from disobeying a command from Yahweh/Jehovah itself, rather than from the actual coitus interruptus.

I always thought it was less coitus interruptus and more wankus in desertus, but that makes more sense.

" so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground"

I'm no theologian, but that doesn't sound like solitary whacking off to me.

[The Equine Dominion]

To achieve orgasm at your own hands shows at least some level of auto eroticism, which is homosexual.

wut

You are the same gender as yourself. Therefore, auto eroticism is homosexual.

[Ifreann]

I always thought it was less coitus interruptus and more wankus in desertus, but that makes more sense.

" so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground"

I'm no theologian, but that doesn't sound like solitary whacking off to me.

I hadn't actually read the passage recently. Somehow the order of events got mixed up in my head.

[Farnhamia]

wut

You are the same gender as yourself. Therefore, auto eroticism is homosexual.

No.

[Zottistan]

wut

You are the same gender as yourself. Therefore, auto eroticism is homosexual.

That's it, just keep on saying it. Maybe someone will believe you.

[Tekania]

I always thought it was less coitus interruptus and more wankus in desertus, but that makes more sense.

" so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground"

I'm no theologian, but that doesn't sound like solitary whacking off to me.

When masturbating or drinking, you're always supposed to do it alone, by yourself, and never alone with others.

[Samuraikoku]

You are the same gender as yourself. Therefore, auto eroticism is homosexual.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

wut

You are the same gender as yourself. Therefore, auto eroticism is homosexual.

Medical Dictionary
homosexuality ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty (hō'mə-sěk'sh&oomacr;-āl'ĭ-tē, -mō-)
n.

Sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.

Sexual activity with another of the same sex.

Sexual orientation to yourself is autoeroticism, which is introverted eroticism. Sexual orientation to others of the same gender is homosexuality, which is extroverted eroticism. It's not quantum physics.

You are the same gender as yourself. Therefore, auto eroticism is homosexual.

That's it, just keep on saying it. Maybe someone will believe you.

Isn't that how religion works anyway?

[The Realm of God]

wut

You are the same gender as yourself. Therefore, auto eroticism is homosexual.

Read and be enlightened.

The Vatican follows the line of the philosopher Plato. Plato said that matter was evil and that the mind, the spirit and The Good are good. Masterbation is a sin because it uses the mind, which is good to please the matter which is evil. Thus it's ignoring Jesus' teaching that minds must be pure and you must not sin even in your mind.

"For he who looks lustfully at a women has commited adultary against her,"

It's not the masterbation, it's the images in your head that are sinful.

[Zottistan]

" so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground"

I'm no theologian, but that doesn't sound like solitary whacking off to me.

When masturbating or drinking, you're always supposed to do it alone, by yourself, and never alone with others.

You could masturbate in the presence of others. You'd feel like a bit of a third wheel, I'd imagine, but you could still do it.

[Parchelon]

1. But self defence is viable only if the attacker is a criminal or a belligerent in a conflict, if that person is actually attacking you and if there is no other option but to kill. In the case of abortion none of these are true: the 'attacker' is not a moral agent and is incapable of the mens rea (guilty mind) necessary to commit a crime, they aren't deliberately attacking the mother but are rather simply trying to exist in the only way possible for them, and there are options other than killing to resolve the 'violation' of the mother's rights.
2. How the heck is trying to safeguard both human's rights in this case totalitarianism?

Your denying peoples right to bodily sovereignty.

No i am trying to point out that there needs to be a balance between the mother and unborn child's rights.

[Tekania]

You are the same gender as yourself. Therefore, auto eroticism is homosexual.

No.

Ohhh, then this bears as interesting line of thought then in consequence..... that would mean since a transexual's mental and physical genders aren't the same, then masturbation would be okay in that case.

[Samuraikoku]

No i am trying to point out that there needs to be a balance between the mother and unborn child's rights.

Unborn have no rights.

[Mavorpen]

No i am trying to point out that there needs to be a balance between the mother and unborn child's rights.

Why? One is committing a crime, one isn't. One is considered more sentient than a rat, one isn't. Why do you keep going around in circles ignoring everything we say?