Why "Planned Parenthood" is wrong.

[Mavorpen]

here we go again...how about this time I let you name other examples where humans have been deprived of the privilege of being called persons?

I doubt they'll be relevant, but I for one would like to debunk them anyway.

All he's said is, "Slavery is like abortion! We tried to deny them personhood!" Except, black people meet every definition of the word "person." So his argument is bullshit. But of course he keeps ignoring this.

[Blakk Metal]

It has, and currently does, many bad things. To start with, it wants to make every other government in the world turn into totalitarian states, and calls everyone who opposes them Nazis.

Well at the very least you aren't implicating Pope Benedict as being a Nazi, thats something at least.

But promoting the culture of life governmental violation of bodily possession, a greater respect for the human person the imposition of totalitarianism, hardly represents the imposition of tyranny.

Corrected.

Possibly I will give you the debatable factor of abortion, but even so the Vatican has no temporal authority that I am aware of to force governments to do much of anything.

They have significant cultural power. They were able to make the friggin' SBC change its mind on abortion.

And they don't call people Nazis, sinners in need of love and prayer perhaps, but not Nazis.

"They point to historical events such as the Holocaust or the Great Purges in the Soviet Union as examples of devaluation of human life taken to an extreme conclusion."

[Danbershan]

I doubt they'll be relevant, but I for one would like to debunk them anyway.

All he's said is, "Slavery is like abortion! We tried to deny them personhood!" Except, black people meet every definition of the word "person." So his argument is bullshit. But of course he keeps ignoring this.

So he's saying that black people are mostly-inanimate lumps of tissue which can't survive on their own? Well, that seems fair...

My only real hope here is to teach the guy some better arguing skills.

[Mavorpen]

So he's saying that black people are mostly-inanimate lumps of tissue which can't survive on their own? Well, that seems fair...

My only real hope here is to teach the guy some better arguing skills.

Pretty much. I told him at least 5 times that he needs to stop insulting me by comparing me to a fetus. He doesn't care, as long as he gets to live in his fantasy world where abortion=slavery.

[Individual Impersonators]

So he's saying that black people are mostly-inanimate lumps of tissue which can't survive on their own? Well, that seems fair...

My only real hope here is to teach the guy some better arguing skills.

Pretty much. I told him at least 5 times that he needs to stop insulting me by comparing me to a fetus. He doesn't care, as long as he gets to live in his fantasy world where abortion=slavery.

so sayeth the nation with a unicorn in the stars

[Danbershan]

So he's saying that black people are mostly-inanimate lumps of tissue which can't survive on their own? Well, that seems fair...

My only real hope here is to teach the guy some better arguing skills.

Pretty much. I told him at least 5 times that he needs to stop insulting me by comparing me to a fetus. He doesn't care, as long as he gets to live in his fantasy world where abortion=slavery.

Most fantasy worlds are pretty happy places. This one sounds like an exception. I'm sure there are loudspeakers blaring there, with the words 'Prostrate thyselves before the Pope-Emperor!'

[Girkil]

Ahh nationstates... everytime you fall into the same trap:

[Parchelon]

1. Ok I can understand that a woman's rights should not be reduced merely because she is pregnant, yet the other life must be a factor.
2. ...
3. ...
4. In the current law in most nations you would be right, but weather or not abortion is morally right is the issue.
5. ...
6. should it be illegal is a separate question from is it legal. There is -regardless of what the law says- a planned killing of a member of the human species.

4. Based on whose morals?
6. But not a person, not a sentient being, self defense, war.

4.Objective morality, or perhaps the natural law. Rather like the killing of an innocent adult human as murder is instinctively know to be wrong.
6.I already asked another person to try to find other examples in history of instances where human beings have been deprived of their personhood legally. I could easily list a few, the record is far from clean.

[Danbershan]

4.Objective morality, or perhaps the natural law. Rather like the killing of an innocent adult human as murder is instinctively know to be wrong.

I don't 'instinctively know' that aborting a foetus is wrong. So there's that one down the drain.

6.I already asked another person to try to find other examples in history of instances where human beings have been deprived of their personhood legally. I could easily list a few, the record is far from clean.

How is this relevant? Just because black people, or lepers, or people with mental disabilities, or whoever else, have been defined as not being people in the past shouldn't mean we have to define semi-formed human foetuses as people...

[Blakk Metal]

4. Based on whose morals?
6. But not a person, not a sentient being, self defense, war.

4.Objective morality, or perhaps the natural law. Rather like the killing of an innocent adult human as murder is instinctively know to be wrong.

Self defence =/= fair

6.I already asked another person to try to find other examples in history of instances where human beings have been deprived of their personhood legally. I could easily list a few, the record is far from clean.

No one is being deprived of personhood. Only possession is being deprived, due to the anti-abortionists.

[Anvilonia]

ITT: Morons and trolling.

[Danbershan]

ITT: Morons and trolling.

I just enjoy the debate.

[Orcoa]

>inferring that abortions and contraceptives are the only thing Planned Parenthood does

I know right?!

[Dyakovo]

But not a person.

here we go again...how about this time I let you name other examples where humans have been deprived of the privilege of being called persons?

*shrugs*
You can try equating it to what-ever you like. The simple fact of the matter is that it takes more than being genetically human to be a person.

[Danbershan]

here we go again...how about this time I let you name other examples where humans have been deprived of the privilege of being called persons?

*shrugs*
You can try equating it to what-ever you like. The simple fact of the matter is that it takes more than being genetically human to be a person.

^Agreed

[Dyakovo]

4. Based on whose morals?
6. But not a person, not a sentient being, self defense, war.

4.Objective morality, or perhaps the natural law. Rather like the killing of an innocent adult human as murder is instinctively know to be wrong.
6.I already asked another person to try to find other examples in history of instances where human beings have been deprived of their personhood legally. I could easily list a few, the record is far from clean.

4: Morality is not objective.
6: A foetus is not, and never has been a person, so your attempts to make it seem like we're taking something away from the foetus are disingenuous at best.

[Dyakovo]

ITT: Morons and trolling.

I could take a guess as to which role you fill...

[Danbershan]

4.Objective morality, or perhaps the natural law. Rather like the killing of an innocent adult human as murder is instinctively know to be wrong.
6.I already asked another person to try to find other examples in history of instances where human beings have been deprived of their personhood legally. I could easily list a few, the record is far from clean.

4: Morality is not objective.
6: A foetus is not, and never has been a person, so your attempts to make it seem like we're taking something away from the foetus are disingenuous at best.

I fail to see how Parchelon manages to continuously equate foetuses to black people as seen by the Catholic Church of the past.

[Dyakovo]

4: Morality is not objective.
6: A foetus is not, and never has been a person, so your attempts to make it seem like we're taking something away from the foetus are disingenuous at best.

I fail to see how Parchelon manages to continuously equate foetuses to black people as seen by the Catholic Church of the past.

He doesn't understand the difference between saying something is (genetically) human and saying it is a human being.

[Anvilonia]

ITT: Morons and trolling.

I could take a guess as to which role you fill...

,,l,,

[Danbershan]

I fail to see how Parchelon manages to continuously equate foetuses to black people as seen by the Catholic Church of the past.

He doesn't understand the difference between saying something is (genetically) human and saying it is a human being.

Perhaps, due to having half a genetic code, each of the sperm cells I expel when ejaculating (through entirely accidental and not at all self-stimulated means) counts as half a person. We'd better put the entire male population in jail.

[Lost heros]

He doesn't understand the difference between saying something is (genetically) human and saying it is a human being.

Perhaps, due to having half a genetic code, each of the sperm cells I expel when ejaculating (through entirely accidental and not at all self-stimulated means) counts as half a person. We'd better put the entire male population in jail.

Does that mean that each sperm cell have half the total rights of humans.

[Danbershan]

Perhaps, due to having half a genetic code, each of the sperm cells I expel when ejaculating (through entirely accidental and not at all self-stimulated means) counts as half a person. We'd better put the entire male population in jail.

Does that mean that each sperm cell have half the total rights of humans.

Seems fair to me. They should have the right to half of their basic requirements.

[Euroslavia]

I could take a guess as to which role you fill...

,,l,,

If you're not here to debate the topic, please leave.

[Inky Noodles]

,,l,,

If you're not here to debate the topic, please leave.

The OP's name sake is based off a character in GTAIV... one who .... well... still don't know how people haven't spotted this.
Richard Bastion Republic... meet Richard Bastion