Why "Planned Parenthood" is wrong.

[The Richard Bastion Republic]

This article says that a 24 y.o woman died at a "planned parent" hood clinic after recieving an abortion. http://www.google.com/webhp?rlz=1C1AVSX ... =514&ion=1
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/americ ... -abortion/

Planned Parenthood is for lazy and irresponsible people. You're probably wondering "How is it lazy and irresponsible to plan when to have children?" I'll explain why...

1. If someone does not want to have children, then don't have sex. In order to truly plan your parenthood, you need self control. Contraceptives are for those without self control.

2. Children are a blessing. Some women are infertile and can't have any. Some men are impotent, and can' impregnate a woman so those who are fully capable of having biological kids should be proud of it.

3. People should always wait until marriage instead of gambling thier chances with contraceptives. (condoms tear, pills are forgotten) there will also be less single mothers that way

4. People should have as many children as they can, and populate the Earth. Even though you might die, you wan't to have enough children to live on so that your family will continue, and not come to a end. People should be proud of haing lots of children, not ashamed of it. Besides, people can also use their eldest children to watch after the younger ones. The eldest children should receive the harshest discipline so that they can be like young parents.

5. People need to stop using children as an excuse for laziness! If someone has kids, he/she can still further their education or career if they WORK HARDER. Having kids is not the end of someones life, it is just a part of it, and they might need to work multiple jobs or attend classes at night, and just keep working hard. Children are no excuse for laziness.

6. People with children live longer. http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/women- ... ger-study/
http://extremelongevity.net/2011/09/28/ ... ve-longer/

[Rainbows and Rivers]

5/10.

You actually had me fooled for a moment, but the statements are a bit too on the nose to be anyone's true opinions. Next time try foregoing the list in favor of incoherent rambling and mix up the standard wording a little.

[Wamitoria]

Should I just quote the OP in a new topic "Why OP is wrong"?

[Norstal]

That is right comrade. Why should we have capitalist inventions like Planned Parenthood? We should abolish it immediately and remove it's imperializing powers upon our women. After all, women are made to produce children. Their children should also receive the most strict, disciplined education at the local Red Army. They should not receive any assistance whatsoever. Is for maximum happines, da?!

The 5-year plan would've been a 2-year plan if only these people worked harder.

[The Richard Bastion Republic]

You two didn't even address my reasons before blabbering out that I'm wrong. I bet you didn't even visit the links.

[James Eagan Holmes]

I think that killing babies is wrong too!

[Sailsia]

I assume OP is a man. I assume OP has never had kids. I assume OP does not know what it's like to have children dependent on you when you're too poor to take care of them. I assume OP is white. I assume OP is a republican. I assume OP is a Christian.

[Zenarchy-Horrorsex]

I think we have enough people on the earth as it is, thank you.

[Wamitoria]

I think that killing babies is wrong too!

Dude, it's too soon.

[Imsogone]

Please, oh please, let this be satire. Bad, bad, bad satire, but satire nonetheless.

[The Grand World Order]

>inferring that abortions and contraceptives are the only thing Planned Parenthood does

[Dorics]

I think that killing babies is wrong too!

What if their fathers drop them and run. finders keepers and all that.

[Alyekra]

I'm against abortion buuuuut these arguments are really, really bad.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

I'm sorry but I disagree with many of your assertions and views.

1). Contraceptives are for those without self control? Bullshit. It's for SMART people who do not want to risk pregnancy and STD's and who still want a love life - I agree most of it should be kept within marriage, but that's just me, but if ppl. want to screw around, that's their business, and not mine, and condoms are truly invaluable.

2). Children are a blessing, but some people can't handle it. I don't like abortions either, but it has to be made available because driving it underground would endanger countless women's lives.

3). Ppl. should wait till marriage...again I somewhat agree, but let's face it, that's unrealistic and narrow minded.

4). The Earth is OVER POPULATED as is...if anything we should be having LESS children...this was a very naive statement, IMO, on your part.

5). No opinion.

6). Okay, so what?

Try harder, op.

And get ready to be challenged a hundred times over.

[Laerod]

You two didn't even address my reasons before blabbering out that I'm wrong. I bet you didn't even visit the links.

The first one is google, the second one is suspicious just based on the url.

[Augarundus]

OP

1) Not having sex does prevent pregnancy, correct. Abortion and birth control also prevent pregnancy. I don't understand your argument.

2) Again, I don't understand the argument. Some individuals cannot reproduce. Some individuals can.
Why are the fertile individuals required to either be celibate or have children? This doesn't make any sense as a moral theory.

3) You realize people can use contraceptives before and after marriage, correct?
And why should people wait until after marriage before having sex?

4) What's with the "grory of de famiry!" worship here?

5) What's even going on here?

By the way, I personally think it's a good idea if one parent reduces the degree to which they are employed upon having children. A lot of statistical data shows that children are mentally healthier when at least one parent - mother or father- is "stay at home", or at least more present in their early development.

6) Why does this mean that Planned Parenthood is wrong, unethical, etc.? This is just a selfish reason to have kids.

[The Richard Bastion Republic]

I'm saying that it is lazy for married people to delay having children, and it is also irresponsible for people to want to have sex, but not want the blessing that comes 9 months later.


As for the thing about work, I believe that we men should be doing the work, while thier wives see to the children, and the home. However if a single woman with children wants to pursue a career, then she should, and she should not use her children as an excuse for not achieving that career.

[Alien Space Bats]

I like the idea of married couples deciding how many children to have and spacing those children out properly to maximize both their health, the attention each can receive, and the health of the mother who has to bear them.

In contrast, I find the idea that married couples should do this by refraining from sex abhorrent. I can see good reasons for avoiding extramarital sex; I can see no good reason whatsoever for refraining from sex within marriage.

I assume OP is a man. I assume OP has never had kids. I assume OP does not know what it's like to have children dependent on you when you're too poor to take care of them. I assume OP is white. I assume OP is a republican. I assume OP is a Christian.

I assume OP is single; otherwise, OP would welcome the notion of being able to have worry-free sex with his wife.

Having been married twice, I can testify that most sensible husbands like birth control quite as much as their wives do (if not more).

[Bottle]

0/10. Not even a novel spin on the tired old slogans. Better luck next time!

[Lancaster of Wessex]

I'm saying that it is lazy for married people to delay having children, and it is also irresponsible for people to want to have sex, but not want the blessing that comes 9 months later.

Who the hell are you to say that people are lazy by using contraceptives?

Do you have any idea how much time and money and energy it takes to raise a child?

I do.

I'm guessing you do NOT.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have a feeling I'm not.

[Your Ex-Girlfriend]

4. People should have as many children as they can, and populate the Earth.

That, aside from everything else wrong you said, is quite simply disgusting.

Bleat all you will about how people "should" marry before having children, you stand condemned by your point 4.

Are you Sin?

[United Marxist Nations]

While I wish people would refrain from sex, you're not going to stop people from doing it, nor should you be under the delusion that you are. And there are also those who are raped and become pregnant from that, what is your opinion on that?

[Garbolav]

I like the idea of married couples deciding how many children to have and spacing those children out properly to maximize both their health, the attention each can receive, and the health of the mother who has to bear them.


... birth control .

...and then there were counter arguments (http://www.1flesh.org/category/arguments/)

[Grinning Dragon]

This article says that a 24 y.o woman died at a "planned parent" hood clinic after recieving an abortion. http://www.google.com/webhp?rlz=1C1AVSX ... =514&ion=1
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/americ ... -abortion/

True, there is no such thing as a 100% safe abortion, but......in the instance of something going wrong such as this are very limited. Also life has risks, this person made the decision, it was hers to make and hers alone.

Planned Parenthood is for lazy and irresponsible people. You're probably wondering "How is it lazy and irresponsible to plan when to have children?" I'll explain why...

1. If someone does not want to have children, then don't have sex. In order to truly plan your parenthood, you need self control. Contraceptives are for those without self control.

I see, so everytime sex is initiated, a pregnancy can occur, this is without merit, as many couples who try to have children, will engage in sex many times during the week of her ovulation cycle, sometimes it takes, sometimes it doesn't. I speak from experience.. I will agree with the "self control", but will not agree, contraceptives are for those without self control. Having control and forethought in preventing an unwanted pregnancy to me is self control. Why cannot people enjoy sex, and not worry about a pregnancy. I have kids, I do not want anymore at this point and time, but I also like having sex. I am not about to live my life as some uptight celibate. After all lack of sex = uptight.

2. Children are a blessing. Some women are infertile and can't have any. Some men are impotent, and can' impregnate a woman so those who are fully capable of having biological kids should be proud of it.

Who says they are not proud of being a parent, I am very proud of my lil youngins, also proud that my water works, work.

3. People should always wait until marriage instead of gambling thier chances with contraceptives. (condoms tear, pills are forgotten) there will also be less single mothers that way

Ahh, the old religious and moral contemplation that sex is only for married people, to this I say Bullshit. Many people have had kids and maintain a healthy environment for their offspring, there are also kids in some messed up homes that have married parents. I agree that a child fairs better living in a two parent home, but that is not to say a single mother cannot accomplish the same, with dedication and love.

4. People should have as many children as they can, and populate the Earth. Even though you might die, you wan't to have enough children to live on so that your family will continue, and not come to a end. People should be proud of haing lots of children, not ashamed of it. Besides, people can also use their eldest children to watch after the younger ones. The eldest children should receive the harshest discipline so that they can be like young parents.

This is a personal desicion left best to each couple, there are many factors that are involved, such as housing, and costs.

5. People need to stop using children as an excuse for laziness! If someone has kids, he/she can still further their education or career if they WORK HARDER. Having kids is not the end of someones life, it is just a part of it, and they might need to work multiple jobs or attend classes at night, and just keep working hard. Children are no excuse for laziness.

Wouldn't they already have the inclination to be lazy in the first place?
I agree that having kids requires alot of attention and resources, but for some these are limited, how is someone with little money to be able to attend extra schooling? Also having your child raised by someone else while the parents works or attends school so much, that there is very little interaction between child and parent.

6. People with children live longer. http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/women- ... ger-study/
http://extremelongevity.net/2011/09/28/ ... ve-longer/

Well I don't know about that, some of the stuff my kids have done have scared the hell outta me, and I think may have shaved a few years off of my life.

[Samuraikoku]

You two didn't even address my reasons before blabbering out that I'm wrong. I bet you didn't even visit the links.

I was planning to click on one (livesitenews), but that site was attempted to use yesterday as a source for an anti-gay diatribe. I knew it was biased from the beginning, so I didn't need to visit.