Govt is corrupt, so why do liberals want bigger govt !?!?

[Mosasauria]

Let's see...
Wamitoria holds economically conservative ideals...
There's that Secruss guy.
And there's a few more that I can't remember the name of...

Either they're good, or I just really suck at debating online. Hell, I have a hard time against that Mongolian Ikhanate guy sometimes...

There's also Occupied Deutschland and Capitalist Running Dogs. And doesn't Sibirsky still come over here once in a while?

Yep.

[AuSable River]

and for the 12th time, I challenged you to describe the process whereby a boogeyman corporation gains control over a free soceity in the absence of government collaboration.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/12251 ... ng-scandal

also

In March 2011, a coalition of family farmers, consumers and other critics of corporate agriculture held a town meeting to protest what they see as unfair consolidation of the nation's food system into the hands of a few multinationals. They contend that global biotech seed leader Monsanto controls the U.S. commercial seed market using unfair, and in some cases illegal, practices. They argue that Monsanto, which develops, licenses and markets genetically altered corn, soybeans and other crops, manipulates the seed market by buying up independent seed companies, patenting seed products, and then spiking prices. The group hopes to re-establish farmer rights to save seed from their harvested crops and replant it.

and agricultural is heavily subsidized by government !!!!!

thanks for adding more ammo to my assertion that government is a market for corruption that uses tax and regulatory power in a quid pro quo scheme for special interest votes (in Iowa, nebraska, kansas, et al) and campaign contributions (from companies like monsanto, archer daniels, et al)

mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/06/big-farm-raked-in-record-profits-in.html

Thanks for proving my point further.

now get off the liberal circus train and get on the truth to power train.

[Mosasauria]

Because Socialists, State Capitalists and Fascists understand that government is essential to the market. Nationalised industries provide a nice source of income for the government and then they can use that to increase the funding for the military or build new schools, government regulation keeps the private sector on the right track so it doesnt swerve and cause a reccession.

Uh... No. Please, do try again.

[Liriena]

Dear OP,

I find it increasingly hard not to start a flaming war against you, so I'll settle for saying this:

Your posts have been nothing but cynical & fallacious rant after cynical & fallacious rant, filled to the brim with hasty generalizations, name-calling and straw-men (and that's just for starters).

If you want people to take you seriously and treat you with respect during a civilized debate, maybe you should learn how to apply a few simple manners and basic codes of conduct. Otherwise, you are just asking to be insulted with every possible name in the dictionary, and then some.

Now, as I said before:

I don't want a bigger government. I want a bigger state. Learn the difference. I want an efficient state that provides its citizens with invaluable services that, if left in the hands of the private sector, would leave millions helpless and with their most basic needs not provided for, their human rights violated.
If a government is corrupt (and, yes, usually they are) then I seek a candidate for government that I am confident of his/her honesty, and vote them into office so that they may clean the political system.
Giving the finger to millions of people in need and to an usually perfectly working system because of human flaws that can be easily corrected is nothing short of exagerated and inhumane. Clean up the corruption, and the system will become more efficient.

Please, stop being so self-righteous and thick-headed, and start having a few iotas of respect for your fellow human beings' ideals.

Yours faithfully,

Liriena, a fierce anti-corruption left-winger

[AuSable River]

They buy natural monopolies and resources... --- black metal

i debunked this:

in a free society, corporations seeking a monopoly have to acquire resources by VOLUNTARY MEANS --- hence how is a corporation going to buy natural resources if owner DOESNT WANT TO SELL????

there is plenty of history to debunk this nonsense --- indeed, rockefeller tried to buttress his oil monopoly during the late 19th century by trying to buy out all of the competition.

Amusingly some entreprenuers made a fortune being bought out by standard oil numerous times. They knew that rockfeller wanted to consolidate the industry so everytime they sold one of the emerging operations to him at a great profit, they started up again before the ink was dried on the last sales contract.

Indeed, the reason why rockfeller was so successful and near monopoly status (he never captured more than 90% of the market and then at this level for a very short time) was that he provided the best quality product at the far lowest prices.

Had he tried to raise prices or reduce quality, his market share naturally would shrink precipitously -- however liberals dont yet understand the concept that higher prices and lower qualtity lead to lost sales, lost revenue and declining market share.

read this and get back to me:

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns ... oil-story/

In contrast, government can largely acquire whatever it wants, whenever it wants by simply invoking eminent domain law.

amusingly, these big government types cannot reconcile the fact that there already exists huge, coercive, oppressive and destructive defacto monopolies in education (US ranks near the bottom), health regulation(going bankrupt and costs rising), transporation (2nd highest cause of accidental death), drug regulation (highest cause of accidental death), monetary policy (dollar 4% of its 1912 value),et al

hence, the businesses and industries that government is heavily in control of are among the most problematic.

In sum, the paradoxical liberal mind creates the mother of all monopolies (the federal government) with omnipresent tax and regulatory power, incredible corruption, unaccountable, and with all the guns and gavels

in order to..........

save us from the fantasy of a single corporate boogeyman who has no guns, no gavels, and no votes.


ANd I am outta here, you can only take so much craziness before you need to recharge.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

ANd I am outta here, you can only take so much craziness before you need to recharge.

That's a shame, because you still haven't dealt with any of this. By your rules, because you haven't replied, I've won.

friggin duh!

and without government as the buyer -- what would happen to these corrupt crony corporations ????

They form cartels. It's what happens when you privatise areas of government, and it's what will happen if you remove government altogether without destroying capitalism first. It's not difficult economics.

nobody has perfect knowledge, most especially government politicians and bureaucrats -- so what ???

And the owners of corporations are any wiser?

99% of free market firms fail, so what????

Driving things towards monopolies, hence creating corporate hegemony.

the difference is that capital, resources, and wealth continually move to investors, individuals, consumers, firms, industries, et al that most efficiently use these resources at a given time in history.

Source.

more important, the free market (WHILE NOT PERFECT) has a mechanism to constantly and instantly reallocate resources from less productive uses to more productive uses.

Please, do explain that particular helping of bullshit.

More importantly, it does all this largely by free, competitive and VOLUNTARY MEANS.

Nah, a small clique do things through voluntary means, everyone else is compelled to do so.

in contrast you beloved government is equally unknowing --- yet this is destructive because when it fails and fails and fails and .......

it doesnt go out of business --- it RAISES TAXES and ACQUIRES MORE POWER.

Blah blah blah blah blah ebil government blah blah blah blah.

more importantly, government is a political animal ---not an economic actor --- hence all of its actions are based on politics which is proven in many cases to extremely economically unsustainable and wasteful.

And the alternative to government in a capitalist society is the sole existence of corporations, which would in time become political animals in themselves - or are people randomly going to set up their own utilities and healthcare?

Lastly, government is coercive and that is immoral to take somebody else's money by force (taxation) and give it to your lobbyist buddy so you can get reelected with special interest votes or campaign contributions (bribes)

Bullshit, a large proportion of taxation is used to fund things like public healthcare. Here in the UK it is, at any rate, and in the good ol' US of A you actually spend more per capita on healthcare than we, with our universal healthcare, do. I call that a victory for socialism.

big time strawman dude.

nobody is advocating anarchy dude.

go back and read my posts.

Ohohoho, I think you are, you're advocating completely doing away with government.

[Silent Majority]

http://www.policymic.com/articles/12251 ... ng-scandal

also

In March 2011, a coalition of family farmers, consumers and other critics of corporate agriculture held a town meeting to protest what they see as unfair consolidation of the nation's food system into the hands of a few multinationals. They contend that global biotech seed leader Monsanto controls the U.S. commercial seed market using unfair, and in some cases illegal, practices. They argue that Monsanto, which develops, licenses and markets genetically altered corn, soybeans and other crops, manipulates the seed market by buying up independent seed companies, patenting seed products, and then spiking prices. The group hopes to re-establish farmer rights to save seed from their harvested crops and replant it.

and agricultural is heavily subsidized by government !!!!!

thanks for adding more ammo to my assertion that government is a market for corruption that uses tax and regulatory power in a quid pro quo scheme for special interest votes (in Iowa, nebraska, kansas, et al) and campaign contributions (from companies like monsanto, archer daniels, et al)

mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/06/big-farm-raked-in-record-profits-in.html

Thanks for proving my point further.

now get off the liberal circus train and get on the truth to power train.

As I understand it, agricultural subsidies exist to prevent monopolies/oligopolies from forming, which make agricultural commodities more expensive for us. It keeps the large farms from engaging in a massive price war to drive their competition out of business, which would then be followed by a massive increase in the price of said commodity when there is no longer any competition to keep the price down.

I'm actually not entirely sure how it works, but I know that it is not some shady back room deal with agricultural lobbyists. It is actually meant to benefit both farmers and consumers.

[Aethyopea]

Hint: if you're trying to convince people to your side or get them to make proper arguments, don't insult them.
They don't like it, and they probably won't see the reason why they should put much effort into making good arguments to someone who'll just insult them anyway.
The more you know.

[Alaje]

They buy natural monopolies and resources... --- black metal

i debunked this:

in a free society, corporations seeking a monopoly have to acquire resources by VOLUNTARY MEANS --- hence how is a corporation going to buy natural resources if owner DOESNT WANT TO SELL????

amusingly, these big government types cannot reconcile the fact that there already exists huge, coercive, oppressive and destructive defacto monopolies in education (US ranks near the bottom), health regulation(going bankrupt and costs rising), transporation (2nd highest cause of accidental death), drug regulation (highest cause of accidental death), monetary policy (dollar 4% of its 1912 value),et al

hence, the businesses and industries that government is heavily in control of are among the most problematic.

In sum, the paradoxical liberal mind creates the mother of all monopolies (the federal government) with omnipresent tax and regulatory power, incredible corruption, unaccountable, and with all the guns and gavels

in order to..........

save us from the fantasy of a single corporate boogeyman who has no guns, no gavels, and no votes.


ANd I am outta here, you can only take so much craziness before you need to recharge.

Who said they'd ask them to sell, there are these things called cartels you know. They'd simply ally themselves to eachother.

[AuSable River]

i debunked this:

in a free society, corporations seeking a monopoly have to acquire resources by VOLUNTARY MEANS --- hence how is a corporation going to buy natural resources if owner DOESNT WANT TO SELL????

amusingly, these big government types cannot reconcile the fact that there already exists huge, coercive, oppressive and destructive defacto monopolies in education (US ranks near the bottom), health regulation(going bankrupt and costs rising), transporation (2nd highest cause of accidental death), drug regulation (highest cause of accidental death), monetary policy (dollar 4% of its 1912 value),et al

hence, the businesses and industries that government is heavily in control of are among the most problematic.

In sum, the paradoxical liberal mind creates the mother of all monopolies (the federal government) with omnipresent tax and regulatory power, incredible corruption, unaccountable, and with all the guns and gavels

in order to..........

save us from the fantasy of a single corporate boogeyman who has no guns, no gavels, and no votes.


ANd I am outta here, you can only take so much craziness before you need to recharge.

Who said they'd ask them to sell, there are these things called cartels you know. They'd simply ally themselves to eachother.

Dude, government is the only entity that can take something without your approval.

what you are referring to is theft !!!

corporation CEOs and staff that steal or plunder ---GO TO JAIL.

remember, I am not an anarchist (GO BACK AND READ MY POSTS)

last time I checked if anyone steals from you -- you go report the crime and the suspects are caught and brought to trial.

in sum, if a corporation steals your land then you have the courts to adjudicate this.

[Ruridova]

In sum, if any liberal/progressive/leftist thinks that government is not corrupt and coercive -- then you cant proceed further and we need to resolve this impasse.

Then you and I are at an impasse.

[Blakk Metal]

They buy natural monopolies and resources... --- black metal

i debunked this:

in a free society, corporations seeking a monopoly have to acquire resources by VOLUNTARY MEANS --- hence how is a corporation going to buy natural resources if owner DOESNT WANT TO SELL????

You seem to assume that people will be trying to actively stop a monopoly from forming all the time.

amusingly, these big government types cannot reconcile the fact that there already exists huge, coercive, oppressive and destructive defacto monopolies in education (US ranks near the bottom),

There are actual monopolies in education in Europe too, and they're doing better.

transporation (2nd highest cause of accidental death), drug regulation (highest cause of accidental death),

I'd like a source on how the government caused that.

monetary policy (dollar 4% of its 1912 value)

That was on purpose.

In sum, the paradoxical liberal statist mind creates the mother of all monopolies (the federal government) with omnipresent tax and regulatory power, incredible corruption, unaccountable, and with all the guns and gavels

Corrected.

[AuSable River]

Hint: if you're trying to convince people to your side or get them to make proper arguments, don't insult them.
They don't like it, and they probably won't see the reason why they should put much effort into making good arguments to someone who'll just insult them anyway.
The more you know.

they insult themselves with their intellectual intolerance and rigidity.

My goal is to disseminate truth, facts, logic, and empirical evidence.

not to placate someone who has been brainwashed by pop culture or some tenured professor who couldnt pour piss out of a boot if you gave him directions.

[Blakk Metal]

Who said they'd ask them to sell, there are these things called cartels you know. They'd simply ally themselves to eachother.

Dude, government is the only entity that can take something without your approval.

what you are referring to is theft !!!

corporation CEOs and staff that steal or plunder ---GO TO JAIL.

remember, I am not an anarchist (GO BACK AND READ MY POSTS)

last time I checked if anyone steals from you -- you go report the crime and the suspects are caught and brought to trial.

in sum, if a corporation steals your land then you have the courts to adjudicate this.

Do you know what a cartel is?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

remember, I am not an anarchist (GO BACK AND READ MY POSTS)

And yet you advocate the dissolution of government as a corrupt statist menace. If you're neither a statist nor an anarchist, then what are you?

Also, I'd like you to reply to my deconstruction of your 'argument'.

friggin duh!

and without government as the buyer -- what would happen to these corrupt crony corporations ????

They form cartels. It's what happens when you privatise areas of government, and it's what will happen if you remove government altogether without destroying capitalism first. It's not difficult economics.

nobody has perfect knowledge, most especially government politicians and bureaucrats -- so what ???

And the owners of corporations are any wiser?

99% of free market firms fail, so what????

Driving things towards monopolies, hence creating corporate hegemony.

the difference is that capital, resources, and wealth continually move to investors, individuals, consumers, firms, industries, et al that most efficiently use these resources at a given time in history.

Source.

more important, the free market (WHILE NOT PERFECT) has a mechanism to constantly and instantly reallocate resources from less productive uses to more productive uses.

Please, do explain that particular helping of bullshit.

More importantly, it does all this largely by free, competitive and VOLUNTARY MEANS.

Nah, a small clique do things through voluntary means, everyone else is compelled to do so.

in contrast you beloved government is equally unknowing --- yet this is destructive because when it fails and fails and fails and .......

it doesnt go out of business --- it RAISES TAXES and ACQUIRES MORE POWER.

Blah blah blah blah blah ebil government blah blah blah blah.

more importantly, government is a political animal ---not an economic actor --- hence all of its actions are based on politics which is proven in many cases to extremely economically unsustainable and wasteful.

And the alternative to government in a capitalist society is the sole existence of corporations, which would in time become political animals in themselves - or are people randomly going to set up their own utilities and healthcare?

Lastly, government is coercive and that is immoral to take somebody else's money by force (taxation) and give it to your lobbyist buddy so you can get reelected with special interest votes or campaign contributions (bribes)

Bullshit, a large proportion of taxation is used to fund things like public healthcare. here in the UK it is, at any rate, and in the good ol' US of A you actually spend more per capita on healthcare than we , with our universal healthcare, do. I call that a victory for socialism.

big time strawman dude.

nobody is advocating anarchy dude.

go back and read my posts.

Ohohoho, I think you are, you're advocating completely doing away with government.

[AuSable River]

i debunked this:

in a free society, corporations seeking a monopoly have to acquire resources by VOLUNTARY MEANS --- hence how is a corporation going to buy natural resources if owner DOESNT WANT TO SELL????

You seem to assume that people will be trying to actively stop a monopoly from forming all the time.

amusingly, these big government types cannot reconcile the fact that there already exists huge, coercive, oppressive and destructive defacto monopolies in education (US ranks near the bottom),

There are actual monopolies in education in Europe too, and they're doing better.

transporation (2nd highest cause of accidental death), drug regulation (highest cause of accidental death),

I'd like a source on how the government caused that.

monetary policy (dollar 4% of its 1912 value)

That was on purpose.

In sum, the paradoxical liberal statist mind creates the mother of all monopolies (the federal government) with omnipresent tax and regulatory power, incredible corruption, unaccountable, and with all the guns and gavels

Corrected.

fallacious strawman arguments

for the 15th time, explain the process by which a monopoly gains power over life, liberty, and private property in a free society.

stop diverting.

[Miss Defied]

unbelievable!

typical nonsense

go back and read my posts, I have criticized republican, democrat, conservative, liberal, et al.

in sum, I am always amused when liberals justify their waste, corruption, and inefficiency by pointing out that republicans and conservative government is equally wasteful.

that isnt an argument honey --- it is an excuse and a bad one at that.

go back and read my posts --- I have consistently attack big government of all strips.

it just so happens that the overwhelming majority of posters are liberals, leftists, progressive --- or whatever you like to call yourself.

I think your biggest mistake is that you instantly categorize anyone who challenges any part of your...what is it, Philosophy? ... As a liberal. That's foolish.
I've read your posts. Most of them anyway, a lot of them aren't very coherent and lack the facts, logic and emprical evidence that you rail about so it's somewhat justified that I ignore them.

Yeah, there is a spattering of disdain for all politicians throughout your incoherent rants, inane (lol)ramblings, totally reasonable and well thought out points of view. But they are few and far between. One need look no further than the title you chose for the OP to see that you care far less about fixing government than you do insulting people who don't share your views.

If your arguments packed an intellectual punch they wouldn't require the insulting and inflammatory language you use.

And don't call me "honey"

[Blakk Metal]

You seem to assume that people will be trying to actively stop a monopoly from forming all the time.

There are actual monopolies in education in Europe too, and they're doing better.

I'd like a source on how the government caused that.

That was on purpose.

Corrected.

fallacious strawman arguments

for the 15th time, explain the process by which a monopoly gains power over life, liberty, and private property in a free society.

stop diverting.

THE WAY THEY DID IT IN NINETEENTH CENTURY, YOU WILLFULLY IGNORANT LIBERFUCK!

[Laval]

Government is necessary to maintain order and stability in a nation. If the Nation is too pro-market, Cooperation go long ways to rip its customers off. Government needs to balance this- put restrictions on companies so they don't rip off innocent people for more profit.

I believe Capitalism is a good thing- it drives innovation and pushes a country forward. But government needs to regulate it too keep it from going too far. If conservatives got everything they wanted, the US would be comprised of super rich CEO's and low income workers- unable to grow and succeed- That's not the US is it? If liberals got everything they wanted, Innovation would halt, and the economy would drop, but people would be treated fairly. We need a mix of both to function.

[Vrakon]

You were the one who tried to say that gdp/c is a sign of well-being not me.
And people die younger in the USA because of there terrible health care, not because their rich, otherwise countries like swaziland would be at the top of the world's life expectancy not the bottom

there is a big difference dude, please try to read the entire posts instead of shooting from the hip

my gdp per capita was based on PPP or purchasing power parity --- the rebut was a less reliable and valid nominal GDP based they didnt take into account purchasing power due to monetary differences and economic scarcity.
Even with PPP norway is richer
And NO, people die younger in the USA because of car accidents, homicide, having too much junk food, and having access to too much prescription drugs, not too little.
But even with PPP Norway is richer, and they have a much higher life expectancy, despite having more money to bey cars, junk food and drugs
hopefully, you can take this information and start thinking with more independence and objectivity than what you have been told by Leftist academics, pop culture, and the leftwing mass media
Maybe instead of everything having a left wing bias you just have a right wing one
Source:

http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.c ... nited.html

Links ending with .blogspot.com aren't exactly super reliable

[Alaje]

Who said they'd ask them to sell, there are these things called cartels you know. They'd simply ally themselves to eachother.

Dude, government is the only entity that can take something without your approval.

what you are referring to is theft !!!

corporation CEOs and staff that steal or plunder ---GO TO JAIL.

remember, I am not an anarchist (GO BACK AND READ MY POSTS)

last time I checked if anyone steals from you -- you go report the crime and the suspects are caught and brought to trial.

in sum, if a corporation steals your land then you have the courts to adjudicate this.

No, how is making an alliance/merger with another company theft? Like I said, they'd simply merge (probably with favorable terms too) with their suppliers (a vertical merger).

BTW, I didn't assume you were an anarchist, you sound more like a Laissez-Faire proponent to me. Unregulate markets like the ones you dream for are bound to put the consumers and workers at a disadvantage, because the government would be too weak to step in on their behalf to stop the Cartels and Monopolies (that will form in an unregulated system) from fixing prices and enforcing wage slavery.

Capitalism is an animal that is best kept on a very short leash.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

unbelievable!

typical nonsense

go back and read my posts, I have criticized republican, democrat, conservative, liberal, et al.

in sum, I am always amused when liberals justify their waste, corruption, and inefficiency by pointing out that republicans and conservative government is equally wasteful.

that isnt an argument honey --- it is an excuse and a bad one at that.

go back and read my posts --- I have consistently attack big government of all strips.

it just so happens that the overwhelming majority of posters are liberals, leftists, progressive --- or whatever you like to call yourself.

I think your biggest mistake is that you instantly categorize anyone who challenges any part of your...what is it, Philosophy? ... As a liberal. That's foolish.
I've read your posts. Most of them anyway, a lot of them aren't very coherent and lack the facts, logic and emprical evidence that you rail about so it's somewhat justified that I ignore them.

Yeah, there is a spattering of disdain for all politicians throughout your incoherent rants, inane (lol)ramblings, totally reasonable and well thought out points of view. But they are few and far between. One need look no further than the title you chose for the OP to see that you care far less about fixing government than you do insulting people who don't share your views.

If your arguments packed an intellectual punch they wouldn't require the insulting and inflammatory language you use.

And don't call me "honey"

He also has the unfortunate habit of insisting that people who disagree with him advocate things they don't actually advocate, and when someone tries to explain his mistake to him he both totally misses the point and tries to evade it by saying "Well why don't you back up your argument as for why these things, which I want to pretend you advocate, are better!"

[Aethyopea]

Hint: if you're trying to convince people to your side or get them to make proper arguments, don't insult them.
They don't like it, and they probably won't see the reason why they should put much effort into making good arguments to someone who'll just insult them anyway.
The more you know.

they insult themselves with their intellectual intolerance and rigidity.

My goal is to disseminate truth, facts, logic, and empirical evidence.

not to placate someone who has been brainwashed by pop culture or some tenured professor who couldnt pour piss out of a boot if you gave him directions.

How does politely disagreeing with someone in a debate the same as placating them?
And the phrase "insulting themselves" makes no sense at all as far as I can see.

[Mosasauria]

Dude, government is the only entity that can take something without your approval.

what you are referring to is theft !!!

corporation CEOs and staff that steal or plunder ---GO TO JAIL.

remember, I am not an anarchist (GO BACK AND READ MY POSTS)

last time I checked if anyone steals from you -- you go report the crime and the suspects are caught and brought to trial.

in sum, if a corporation steals your land then you have the courts to adjudicate this.

No, how is making an alliance/merger with another company theft? Like I said, they'd simply merge (probably with favorable terms too) with their suppliers (a vertical merger).

BTW, I didn't assume you were an anarchist, you sound more like a Laissez-Faire proponent to me. Unregulate markets like the ones you dream for are bound to put the consumers and workers at a disadvantage, because the government would be too weak to step in on their behalf to stop the Cartels and Monopolies (that will form in an unregulated system) from fixing prices and enforcing wage slavery.

Capitalism is an animal that is best kept on a very short leash.

Never have I thought that I would agree with you.

[AuSable River]

___________________________________

They form cartels. It's what happens when you privatise areas of government, and it's what will happen if you remove government altogether without destroying capitalism first. It's not difficult economics.--socialist

How would these cartels form and become all powerful in a free and voluntary society when they dont have guns, gavels, or votes ?????

for the 16th time --- explain the PROCESS, not the end game of how these firms gain a cartel in a voluntary society.

for example, some liberal said they would buy all the resources ??!!!

what if I dont want to sell mine ?

what if another aspiring cartel wants those resources too ???

if your independent thinking, read this short article and get back with me:

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns ... oil-story/

And the owners of corporations are any wiser? --- socialist dude

i covered this myriad times and for the last time for you

if free market actors fail, and they do, they go bankrupt.

if government actors fail, and they do, they raise taxes and plunder more resources.

hence, within a free market there is always competition -- within government, it doesnt operate by the same self-adjusting rules.

Driving things towards monopolies, hence creating corporate hegemony.-- socialist

so what ???

if this short-lived monopoly raises prices or lowers quality ---we boycott, form our own company take their market share, or find substitution goods.

for example, if the oil companies raised gas prices, we convert in short order to electric cars and those CEOs in the oil company who tried to screw the consumer would forever be branded by their competitors as rotten -- hence they would never be able to acquire any substantive amount of private capital.

liberals who love big govenrment dont understand the importance of reputation within a free society.

moreover, it is absurd that liberals handwring over a private short-lived cartel without any gavels, guns, or votes -- yet they will gladly and irrationally hand all of their liberties over to the mother of all monopolies --- the federal government.

Source.--socialist

WHat !??!!

I need a source that actors in the free market who dont invest wisely wont lose their net worth ???!!!

come on dude stop being a troll

do you want a source for 2+2 ???

Please, do explain that particular helping of bullshit.--socialist

are you serious.

You need me to explain how a company that mismanages its operations and/or doesnt satisfy consumer preferences goes out of business.

Are you serious ??!!

Nah, a small clique do things through voluntary means, everyone else is compelled to do so.-- socialist

ridiculous,

in a free society, every exchange is beneficial to both parties or it wouldnt have taken place.

for a laugh please give an example of when someone would be compelled to do something against their will so I can debunk your 'logic'

Blah blah blah blah blah ebil government blah blah blah blah.---socialist

thats the most intelligent statement you have made in your entire post

nice comeback

And the alternative to government in a capitalist society is the sole existence of corporations, which would in time become political animals in themselves - or are people randomly going to set up their own utilities and healthcare?--socialist

how did people set up their own utilities and health care before government ???

read this and get back with me on how these things materialize in the free market -- it is called spontaneous order

http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html

Bullshit, a large proportion of taxation is used to fund things like public healthcare. Here in the UK it is, at any rate, and in the good ol' US of A you actually spend more per capita on healthcare than we, with our universal healthcare, do. I call that a victory for socialism.--socialist

public health care in the USA is a broken bankrupt system designed by politicians to buy votes from the poor and elderly without creating a single hospital bed, trained doctor, MRI machine, et al.

it is an illusion whereby government pours literally trillions of dollars into the health care industry that only serves to raise costs while outcome flatline.

Indeed, the discretionary costs of health care for the elderly was LESS before medicare than it is today.

before medicare and other govt managed health care boondoggles, AMericans spent less than 5% of GDP on health care and outcomes were basically the same as today (sounds familar -- see govt education)

now 50+ years later, outcomes are basically the same, yet health care costs over 20% of GDP--- and this boondoggle is breaking the bank so that Americans within our lifetime will have a government that can only pay the interest on this debt, much less on anything else.

so much for your beloved govt managed health care and _____________ (u fill in the blank)

Ohohoho, I think you are, you're advocating completely doing away with government.--socialist

you think too much.

I believe in a true federalist system that brings government closer to the people at the state and local level.

not a one-size fits all management of the economy from washington that is thousands of miles away from the citizenry.

the federal govt should act as a legal arbiter of last resort (supreme court), it should provide for national defense, and it should act as an arbiter only when states come into disagreement with each other.


in sum, dont hate the message --- just hate me.

I was a dumb shumuck just like you would believed everything that I was told by some clueless govt. check cashing tenured professor and the crap that pop culture spews out (see michael moore)

but read my sources and open up you mind dude.

be objective and independent thinking and stop watching the BBC -- get a hair cut too, and no more tattoos.

later, I wasted too much time with you anyway..