Govt is corrupt, so why do liberals want bigger govt !?!?

[Mavorpen]

but it appears you agree that government is corrupt, or you are a hypocrite who believes that YOUR government is okay and your neighbor's is not.

I love when Americans complain about the corrupt government when they're the ones who vote them in. Seems legit.

[New Rogernomics]

The OP is full of shit. Let's enlighten him.

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Lies! All Lies! Don't unveil this leftist, Nazi, Communist, terrorist propaganda...*froths at mouth* Burn the heretic! /End Sarcasm.

[AuSable River]

Denial, that is expected.

In sum, if you dont have the intellectual courage or wherewithal to challenge my assertion that government is a market for coercive corruption than

dont let the screen door hit you on the way out.

Why should we challenge your assertion until you support it?

I have supported it. It is obvious.

Government takes wealth from private firms and individuals against their will and redistributes this wealth to its cronies in the private and pubic sector in a quid pro quo scheme of favorable tax and regulatory policy for campaign contributions (bribes) and special interest votes.

Do you have a clue of why billions of dollars are being spent in Washington by lobbyists for corporations and special interests ?

And do you seriously think that when obama offers de facto amenesty to illegal aliens and extends unemployment compensation that he is not doing it for political gain ?

[AuSable River]

I like how the O.P just completely ignores this post.

My queries have been ignored as well. Le sigh.

calm down dude, i have a dozen to respond to

[Mavorpen]

I have supported it. It is obvious.

Government takes wealth from private firms and individuals against their will and redistributes this wealth to its cronies in the private and pubic sector in a quid pro quo scheme of favorable tax and regulatory policy for campaign contributions (bribes) and special interest votes.

Do you have a clue of why billions of dollars are being spent in Washington by lobbyists for corporations and special interests ?

And do you seriously think that when obama offers de facto amenesty to illegal aliens and extends unemployment compensation that he is not doing it for political gain ?

That's nice. And the ones who have made government bigger are not the liberals.

The OP is full of shit. Let's enlighten him.

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[Tmutarakhan]

but it appears you agree that government is corrupt, or you are a hypocrite who believes that YOUR government is okay and your neighbor's is not.

I love when Americans complain about the corrupt government when they're the ones who vote them in. Seems legit.

He appears to be an ancap, who thinks governments shouldn't exist at all. He thinks the Somalian system works better.

[United Marxist Nations]

The OP is full of shit. Let's enlighten him.

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Lies! All Lies! Don't unveil this leftist, Nazi, Communist, terrorist propaganda...*froths at mouth* Burn the heretic! /End Sarcasm.

It's funny because it is very reminiscent of Glenn Beck, who uses the terms 'nazi' and 'marxist' interchangebly; despite the two groups being opposed to one another!

[Zevassa]

I stopped reading once I got to the word "indoctrination" -- I don't think that conservatives know what this word actually means.

When you stop using GOP sponsored buzz-words and think for yourself, let me know and I'll give it another read.

Denial, that is expected.

In sum, if you dont have the intellectual courage or wherewithal to challenge my assertion that government is a market for coercive corruption than

dont let the screen door hit you on the way out.

How can I deny something when I didn't even read your post to know what I'm denying?

I'm taking the stance of "another mindless drone, carry on."

[Death Metal]

Government takes wealth from private firms and individuals against their will and redistributes this wealth

So in other words, you're angry over shit that doesn't really happen.

[New Rogernomics]

Do you have a clue of why billions of dollars are being spent in Washington by lobbyists for corporations and special interests ?

Do you have a clue why trillions of dollars are never spent on Education, Healthcare and Social Welfare for the American people?

[Maurepas]

The Government of the United States is primarily corrupted by private interests. While I want the Government to better provide for the general welfare, I also want to limit, and even eliminate the interests of private enterprise through being able to pump money into the system.

While wanting more Government Services(i.e. "Bigger Government"), but I also want to eliminate corruption within that government, by banning private donors to politicians.

I prefer the corporation over the individual. A lot of the corrupt private interests are personal rather than business related. I wish to minimize bureaucracy and maximize productivity.

I'm not saying I love bureaucracy or anything. In fact, I hate it with a passion, anybody who's heard me deal with FAFSA can attest to this.

But the things I want the government to do, are things Private Industry simply can't do to a satisfactory level, due to their need for profit. For example, much as I hate FAFSA, I'd take it over simply having to beg to get into the school any day of the week. That Private College won't pay for my tuition, the Government will.

Similarly for healthcare, the Government will make sure I have the ability to get in, it might be awful at doing so, it might even be frustrating in the extreme, but compared to a Private Insurance company, who will deny you until you can pay, it's leaps and bounds better.

I'd still rather buy my food at Walmart than stand in a "Government Food Store Line", because I'd rather eat sooner than later. But that doesn't mean Walmart(or entities like it) can handle everything, or even should. Because some things simply do not benefit from the profit motive.

[Wikkiwallana]

Why should we challenge your assertion until you support it?

I have supported it. It is obvious.

Government takes wealth from private firms and individuals against their will and redistributes this wealth to its cronies in the private and pubic sector in a quid pro quo scheme of favorable tax and regulatory policy for campaign contributions (bribes) and special interest votes.

Do you have a clue of why billions of dollars are being spent in Washington by lobbyists for corporations and special interests ?

And do you seriously think that when obama offers de facto amenesty to illegal aliens and extends unemployment compensation that he is not doing it for political gain ?

Do you have a source that proves corruption is the majority of government activity? Claiming "it's obvious" isn't one.

[Bozton]

Why do i want bigger government?
Because its either elected officials that are in charge, or companies that have no interest in you, just your money.

[Death Metal]

Why do i want bigger government?
Because its either elected officials that are in charge, or companies that have no interest in you, just your money.

FUCKING THIS.

And again: LIBOR!

[United Marxist Nations]

Why should we challenge your assertion until you support it?

Do you have a clue of why billions of dollars are being spent in Washington by lobbyists for corporations and special interests ?

Yeah, that's how we know that 'private-enterprise' is corrupt, because it pays the corrupt politicians to support legislation that is favorable to those large companies; yet, you deny that private-enterprise is corrupt.

[United Marxist Nations]

Why do i want bigger government?
Because its either elected officials that are in charge, or companies that have no interest in you, just your money.

FUCKING THIS.

And again: LIBOR!

I think you and I are the only ones who know about it; probably because the bourgeois have done an excellent job of keeping it off television.

[Arborlawn]

Most conservatives are for big government.

Gay marriage should not be allowed
Why should the government dictate what a marriage is? That sir, is big government.

Restrictions need to be put in place on Abortion
Why should the government dictate what a mother does with her unborn fetus? That sir, is big government.

School prayer should be reinstated
Why should the government dictate prayer between an individual and their God, or lack thereof? That sir, is big government.

It is a matter of state's rights
You are putting the rights of the state over the rights of the people. In addition, states do not have rights, except those granted by the people. That sir, is the biggest form of government extending its own power without consent.

We are a Christian nation
So we are a theocracy? No different than those theocracies you purport to have disdain for around the world. That sir, is big government.

The list goes on.

Add this one.

We are an socialist nation
Why should government plunder the wealth of private citizens and give it to special interests.

but it appears you agree that government is corrupt, or you are a hypocrite who believes that YOUR government is okay and your neighbor's is not.

I have never heard an American ever say We are an socialist nation. I have simply never heard it.

In addition, you grammatically destroyed that statement. You used "an" rather than "a". You use "an" preceding a word with a vowel, using "a" for all other words. Examples, "We have a democracy" or "We have an aristocracy. English is not my native language. Hebrew is my native language.

But, you already knew you made it mistake.

[Zionale]

I agree that government is corrupt but that doesn't mean the entire 100% of the government is corrupt. Making the government bigger won't make it more corrupt and making it smaller won't make it less corrupt. The guys in charge will still be the guys in charge no matter how big or small the government is. Liberals want the government to do things such as enforce gun laws, estabilish universal healthcare, welfare programs and such as. Now tell me how the government can fuck that up to the point that it will be more harmful than benefiacial? Because all you have given me is all the ECONOMIC ways the government has fucked up and so, by your evidence, the government should back off from economics but that doesn't mean it should back up on EVERYTHING. There is universal healthcare all over the place (such as my country Canada) and people who have it appear to enjoy it (including me and my friends). So there, that is why brainwashed liberals like me want bigger government because we think it can do better on other things than economics I am okay with leaving economics to the free market but not my healthcare.

[Death Metal]

FUCKING THIS.

And again: LIBOR!

I think you and I are the only ones who know about it; probably because the bourgeois have done an excellent job of keeping it off television.

Actually Stewart/Colbert brought it up to my attention. People must've missed that one :/

[Wikkiwallana]

FUCKING THIS.

And again: LIBOR!

I think you and I are the only ones who know about it; probably because the bourgeois have done an excellent job of keeping it off television.

Jon Stewart did an excellent piece on it.

[Natair]

Do you have a clue of why billions of dollars are being spent in Washington by lobbyists for corporations and special interests ?

Do you have a clue why trillions of dollars are never spent on Education, Healthcare and Social Welfare for the American people?

Because lobbyists are assholes that give the government money to make the government give money to them instead of to those categories.

[New Rogernomics]

Do you have a clue of why billions of dollars are being spent in Washington by lobbyists for corporations and special interests ?

Yeah, that's how we know that 'private-enterprise' is corrupt, because it pays the corrupt politicians to support legislation that is favorable to those large companies; yet, you deny that private-enterprise is corrupt.

Well it isn't even private enterprise, let alone free enterprise; given that most of the American economy is controlled by Corporate monopolies. I think he/she is cute and fails to realize that in the real world of Corporations alongside small business, you need regulations otherwise you just have criminal gangs outside the law running the country.

[Mavorpen]

Do you have a clue why trillions of dollars are never spent on Education, Healthcare and Social Welfare for the American people?

Because lobbyists are assholes that give the government money to make the government give money to them instead of to those categories.

Indeed, but one side worships the ground those corporations walk on and has the gall to say shit like, "WE DON'T NEED MORE TEACHERS! WE NEED LESS!"

[Natair]

Because lobbyists are assholes that give the government money to make the government give money to them instead of to those categories.

Indeed, but one side worships the ground those corporations walk on and has the gall to say shit like, "WE DON'T NEED MORE TEACHERS!"

And it's not the Liberals >.>

[Beiluxia]

Oh, great. Another Republican troll thread to lure liberals? Please provide evidence of this supposed corruption that follows with government. By evidence, I mean actual sources to credible websites that show examples of bigger governments (by your definition, places like Canada, UK, all/most of the developed world except US, etc.) equating to more corruption. Until you provide me with actual merits to back up your claim rather than emotionally-charged ranting in replacement, consider myself gone from this conversation. G'day.