Have I no right?

[Araraukar]

There are plenty of adult humans that aren't technically viable.

Do they live inside another person's body?

[Katganistan]

Those of you who don't see these fetoiea (scfic) as people need to learn a little about history.

Some great fetussesses from history:

Benjamin Disraeli, a first trimester fetus who served twice as Prime Minister of England, while simultaneously achieving literary renown by dictating romances to his mother's gynecologist. Dr. Goldbergstein later sued for co-authorship of the famous work Vivian Grey.

Subedai (aka Genghis Khan) was in fact unborn. He led his forces from inside his mothers womb, using a custom pair of stirrups that allowed her to control the horse while allowing her baby to fire incredibly accurate ex utero shots from a special recurved bow, called Kyu Cho Dao Kye, meaning "Death from Vagina".

Clarence Darrow, famed orator and civil rights attorney, spent most of his career as a fetus. With the assistance of his mother, a prominent suffrage activist who squatted for two straight days over a desk so Clarence could take the bar exam, he would eventually be involved in such critical cases as the "Thrill Kill" trial, the Scopes Monkey Trial, and was played by Spencer Tracy with a prostethic umbilical cord.

Vince Lombardi, famed American football coach and inspirational leader, won the first two Superbowls in utero. This is particularly impressive because this was before the time of Motorola Headsets for coaches, and Matilda Lombardi had to put a bullhorn in her hoo hoo for the sake of Green Bay. Go Pack.

So have some respect. All of these people had the right to live, and more importantly, changed our lives. There is no difference between these people and a fetus.

You bastard. You almost killed me making me laugh so hard while my chest is all congested. Go Pack!

The difference of course being that these were born, and fetuses may or may not be.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

I don't know, but the same people seem to conflate disagreement with lack of understanding.

Which is ironic and hypocritical, quite often.

[Grave_n_idle]

They are conceived by two human beings, that makes the child human by default.

I never said fetuses weren't human. They're parasitical lifeforms of the human species. It's up to the woman to decide if they want to foster the parasite or not. That's the point of being pro-choice; they can decide not to have an abortion if they want to, but they should also have the right to choose to be rid of it.

As I said, she should make that choice before having sex ... not after.

As we have said repeatedly, READ THE ORIGINAL POST.

...or ANY of the rest of the thread...

That whole 'looking at the page just long enough to find a random post to tie a nuh-uh-it-is-so-murder comment to' thing is getting old.

[Araraukar]

There were surprisingly few this past summer. I barely counted one per week.

It's usually during school holidays that the crackpots come crawling out of the walls.

I think they were trolling teh ghays this year.

Ohh, that's right! I even partook a few of those... I wonder why I didn't remember.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

...or ANY of the rest of the thread...

That whole 'looking at the page just long enough to find a random post to tie a nuh-uh-it-is-so-murder comment to' thing is getting old.

Why can't we have a MTAE or Jesussaves quality of troll anymore?

[Araraukar]

If you don't want to take a chance then don't do the deed.

You're still ignoring the possibility of rape and contraceptive malfunction. Unless you're preaching abstinence. See how well that's working? Abstinence teaching is #1 reason for the need of abortions in the first place.

[Grave_n_idle]

...or ANY of the rest of the thread...

That whole 'looking at the page just long enough to find a random post to tie a nuh-uh-it-is-so-murder comment to' thing is getting old.

Why can't we have a MTAE or Jesussaves quality of troll anymore?

I'm still secretly holding out for the resurrection of HerPower.

[Araraukar]

Jesus Christ. I hate you all. I've spent two hours reading this thread.

Hey, I've spent more than four hours reading and posting on it!

[Takaram]

Can I just copy and paste the same argument over and over? Every time I post a new one, it gets ignored. It's honestly getting a little old.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Abstinence teaching is #1 reason for the need of abortions in the first place.

[Araraukar]

I know you aren't talking to me, I am well past being a kid and am very well versed with children.

Okay, I take back all my kind comments.

[Gimmadonis]

Everything written by Kormanthor

/RAGE


The fetus does not have the right to hijack the mother's body. It's her's, not it's.

Because the body belongs to her, she has the right to remove it from her body.

/ thread over.

[New Kereptica]

/ thread over.

Oh, how I wish it were...

[Katganistan]

You all will soon have all the proof you need

Cool. Of what?

You tell me, you seem to have all the answers

So... I'm the person who is going to provide the ultimate proof?

Is this still related to abortion?

Or are you just claiming me as some kind of messiah? That kind of worship makes me uncomfortable. Sorry.

This thread is about a human being that you all should be showing more respect to then you are.

I'm sorry, are we in the same thread? No one has said even a harsh word to Quotation Marks.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

I'm sorry, are we in the same thread? No one has said even a harsh word to Quotation Marks.

Quotation Marks is a poopy head! I can haz ban now?

Just kidding!

[Katganistan]

I don't understand how anyone can come in this thread and try to tell QM that he has no right to be alive.... Shame on you all.

...because absolutely not ONE person has said that to QM.

Yea Right

Prove it.
Link to ONE person who said, "Quotation Marks, you have no right to be alive." Now. We'll wait.
If you can't, well, we know what your argument is worth.

[Dempublicents1]

If the law defined a fetus as a person, abortion would be murder. You can argue that wouldn't be true, make some sort of legal argument about how the legislature might, for policy reasons, create an exception here.

No exception would be necessary. In fact, to make abortion illegal, the legislature would have to create a legal exception that would give embryos/fetuses more rights than any other entity defined as a person - namely, the right to use another's body against her will.

[Araraukar]

As we have said repeatedly, READ THE ORIGINAL POST.

She quoted it a lot to start with, but apparently failed to read it.

[Ryadn]

You all will soon have all the proof you need

Cool. Of what?

You tell me, you seem to have all the answers

So... I'm the person who is going to provide the ultimate proof?

Is this still related to abortion?

Or are you just claiming me as some kind of messiah? That kind of worship makes me uncomfortable. Sorry.

This thread is about a human being that you all should be showing more respect to then you are.

I'm sorry, are we in the same thread? No one has said even a harsh word to Quotation Marks.

I think he's talking about women. Right?

[Araraukar]

*Awaits death by flames*

*flames you to death, then takes a cell of your remains, puts it into an embryo and drops the whole thing into a fish bowl* There. Now I've got a pet fetus!

[Katganistan]

Is this not what this discussion is about?

Nope. It's turned into a general abortion debate.

Thats not how I read it

That's because you haven't read the thread.

[Hirune and Lesoto]

The fetus does not have the right to hijack the mother's body. It's her's, not it's.

Because the body belongs to her, she has the right to remove it from her body.

/ thread over.

That would be true if removing it didn't also kill it. Does she have the right to kill it? If you say it's because she has to provide and care for it in some kind of parasitic relationship then shouldn't we be able to kill infants? All a baby does is cry and poop, essentially enslaving the parents to his or her whim for several months. Isn't that pretty parasitic?

YAY INFANTICIDE!

[Araraukar]

Can I just copy and paste the same argument over and over? Every time I post a new one, it gets ignored. It's honestly getting a little old.

Might be a good idea, actually. Every time someone posts "it's murder", copypaste the bits defining murder. Every time someone posts "killing babies", copypaste the bits defining fetuses as parasitical human lifeforms.

Maybe a copy of UN human rights should be added too, just to make sure fetuses aren't mentioned there...

[New Kereptica]

The fetus does not have the right to hijack the mother's body. It's her's, not it's.

Because the body belongs to her, she has the right to remove it from her body.

/ thread over.

That would be true if removing it didn't also kill it. Does she have the right to kill it? If you say it's because she has to provide and care for it in some kind of parasitic relationship then shouldn't we be able to kill infants? All a baby does is cry and poop, essentially enslaving the parents to his or her whim for several months. Isn't that pretty parasitic?

YAY INFANTICIDE!

Ah, you see, but once they're born, or are at least viable, they have actual rights.