Have I no right?

[New Kereptica]

No matter how you try to justify it .... doesn't change the fact that it is murder plain and simple.

Even though it doesn't fit the definition of murder it still is murder. Logic be damned!

It doesn't fit YOUR definition, but it is Murder.

It doesn't fit the legal definition, and it isn't.

[Muravyets]

I got through the whole swine flu without having to go to a doctor. Now I need an ER for an emergency brain scrub to get that Ron Jeremy image out of my head. MUST. SAVE. THE BRAIN!!!

Every time you sneeze, you might be ejecting tissue from your nasal lining, which is both human and alive.

If you were a decent human being, you'd store those cells in a safe environment of mucous and trace amounts of cocaine from college until they're natural lifespan is exhausted.

Then, pray for their souls.

*looks into the bins full of used snot rags.* Hm...I'll just send them to Kormanthor and let her take care of it. She seems more nurturing than me.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

It doesn't fit YOUR definition, but it is Murder.

So you get to use your own definitions of things just so that they can fit your need for emotional appeals and emotional manipulation? How rational.

[The Rifle Brigade]

Because using a womans womb is how it's done.

But according to you, they are viable at conception and thus could exist outside, so it wouldn't need to be done that way.

Based on your grasp of biology, I'm honestly starting to suspect you haven't graduated high school.

[Araraukar]

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

So, you don't have even a basic grasp of what the word "viable" means in this context.

Hmm, isn't there an online version of Oxford dictionary or something like that... maybe someone could kindly post a link for Kormanthor's benefit? He/she/it could just be young, instead of simply being ignorant.

[Muravyets]

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

Really?

Then why all the needing to be in a womb and all that? We could just put them into a fish bowl and watch them grow into babies!

Because using a womans womb is how it's done.

Not without the woman's permission, though. Oops! Third base!

[Grave_n_idle]

No matter how you try to justify it .... doesn't change the fact that it is murder plain and simple.

Even though it doesn't fit the definition of murder it still is murder. Logic be damned!

It doesn't fit YOUR definition, but it is Murder.

It doesnt fit reality, but it is your opinion.

[Dempublicents1]

I'm not going to provide a definition of person, because my issue is about the father's choice, not about the right of the fetus.

"It's about a man's right to co-opt a woman's body and use it to his own purposes, not an embryo's right to do so!"

[Muravyets]

Get used to it. Abortion threads are this forum's version of Whack-a-Mole. The same silliness pops up, and we smack it down, and it pops up again somewhere else.

There were surprisingly few this past summer. I barely counted one per week.

It's usually during school holidays that the crackpots come crawling out of the walls.

I think they were trolling teh ghays this year.

[Araraukar]

Uh oh. My mental images have gone viral. There are so many ways in which that's not good.

I'm proposing a vaccine in the form of further Monty Python madness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpxQp3Hy ... re=channel

[Muravyets]

No matter how you try to justify it .... doesn't change the fact that it is murder plain and simple.

Even though it doesn't fit the definition of murder it still is murder. Logic be damned!

It doesn't fit YOUR definition, but it is Murder.

It is not murder, despite YOUR definition.

[Kormanthor]

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

Really?

Then why all the needing to be in a womb and all that? We could just put them into a fish bowl and watch them grow into babies!

Because using a womans womb is how it's done.

But, according to you, there is no reason why it could not be done another, thus sparing the mother a huge amount of pain.

If you don't want to take a chance then don't do the deed.

[Ryadn]

I am expressing my opinion just like them.

No, you're expressing your emotions. Try Forum 7 for that kind of stuff. We're trying (for the most part) to have a civilized debate here.

What isn't civilized about defending unborn children?

The way you go about it.

I'm expressing my opinion .... just like you. The only difference is you don't think I should be allowed too.

You're telling other people what they should and shouldn't be allowed to do with their bodies... and you're mad because someone thinks you shouldn't make crappy arguments. Ironical, much?

[The Rifle Brigade]

It doesn't fit YOUR definition, but it is Murder.

Does it ever occur to you that all the credibility you've lost by misunderstanding other terms leaves you without a persuasive capacity to just claim a word has a meaning and be believed?

I'm noticing a pattern with you, Kormanthor. You advocate a position, but so poorly that you wind up damaging that position. Instead, you just wind up evoking much more cogent responses from the opposition (that you completely ignore), thus essentially serving the opposite purposes of what you purport to be in favor of.

Can you truly not see how counterproductive you're being, to your own cause?

[New Kereptica]

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

Really?

Then why all the needing to be in a womb and all that? We could just put them into a fish bowl and watch them grow into babies!

Because using a womans womb is how it's done.

But, according to you, there is no reason why it could not be done another, thus sparing the mother a huge amount of pain.

If you don't want to take a chance then don't do the deed.

RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE!
Seriously, what the fuck aren't you understanding?

[Araraukar]

I know what viable is UT, and its a word that should never be used to justify killing another human being.

Kid, once you've had children, you'll have any idea of what a woman has to go through during pregnancy. I hope you'll get a more pragmatic point of view from the process. If you choose to reproduce, that is. I nearly hope you didn't.

[Kormanthor]

No matter how you try to justify it .... doesn't change the fact that it is murder plain and simple.

Even though it doesn't fit the definition of murder it still is murder. Logic be damned!

It doesn't fit YOUR definition, but it is Murder.

It is not murder, despite YOUR definition.

BBBeeeeepppppppp .... Wrong Answer

[Tunizcha]

Jesus Christ. I hate you all. I've spent two hours reading this thread.


I should probably take a machete with me, it'll take a long time for me to weed my way through all these strawmen.

[The Rifle Brigade]

Hmm, isn't there an online version of Oxford dictionary or something like that... maybe someone could kindly post a link for Kormanthor's benefit? He/she/it could just be young, instead of simply being ignorant.

From what I've seen so far, I'm guessing she's both.

[Araraukar]

I'm pretty sure that spooning it onto the counter would make the ten-day-ultimatum a moot point.

Solution: Fish bowl. You can even warm the water if you want.

[Muravyets]

No matter how you try to justify it .... doesn't change the fact that it is murder plain and simple.

Even though it doesn't fit the definition of murder it still is murder. Logic be damned!

It doesn't fit YOUR definition, but it is Murder.

It is not murder, despite YOUR definition.

BBBeeeeepppppppp .... Wrong Answer

Dingdingdingding! Right Answer. Two steps forward, two steps back -- that's what just keeps happening when you never bother to learn how to debate.

[Grave_n_idle]

Uh oh. My mental images have gone viral. There are so many ways in which that's not good.

I'm proposing a vaccine in the form of further Monty Python madness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpxQp3Hy ... re=channel

I didn't want to be a Nationstates General debater. I wanted to be... a Lumberjack!

[Kormanthor]

I know what viable is UT, and its a word that should never be used to justify killing another human being.

Kid, once you've had children, you'll have any idea of what a woman has to go through during pregnancy. I hope you'll get a more pragmatic point of view from the process. If you choose to reproduce, that is. I nearly hope you didn't.

I know you aren't talking to me, I am well past being a kid and am very well versed with children.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

You're telling other people what they should and shouldn't be allowed to do with their bodies... and you're mad because someone thinks you shouldn't make crappy arguments. Ironical, much?

Why do a lot of people like to conflate criticism with the belief that they shouldn't have the right to speak? How are the two even remotely connected?

[The Rifle Brigade]

If you don't want to take a chance then don't do the deed.

First off, the OP's situation involved rape, NOT choice (so obviously your reading skills are as bad as your writing skills).

Second, according to what you said before, no chance is necessary because you claimed they would be viable from conception, so they could be removed and not need the mother. That's what viable means.

So, as usual, you're contradicting yourself.