Have I no right?

[Tunizcha]

So a two minute old zygote is a viable human being, and can survive outside of it's mothers body for a prolonged time?

Sigh...YES. More examples from history:

Caesar Chavez, Chicano civil rights leader and zygote, picked grapes for 17 years without hands. Or even much in the way of differentiated cells. Like most Single Cellular Citizens, he was frequently discriminated against, even by other Latinos, who frequently called him El Microscopico Chingo De Madre.

Ron Jeremy, famous actor of stage and screen, most famous for having a 9.75 inch penis, amazing considering he was merely a fertilized cell. It was later discovered to be a surgical implant in the phospholipid bilayer of his celluar membrane. Despite having a dick that was 99.99999999984% of his total body mass, he led a full and meaningful life.

Katganistan, loved and hated moderator of nationstates general, is in fact merely a zygote. She dictates her posts to her boyfriend, in exchange for future promises of sex, or at least mitosis.

Not Very funny

Fixed.

[Araraukar]

Did I not just state that this would require the fetus to be legally a person?

If fetus was legally a person, but abortion was still legal, it would obviously not make aborting equal to murder. You can legally kill others in special situations, that would be the same for abortion in the case you're putting before us here.

[The Rifle Brigade]

Well, technically, a zygote is capable of surviving, and dividing, for about ten days, but after that, it must implant or fail.

Ten days to die doesn't really satisfy the term "viable".

If that were the case, Whitney Houston could have a career again.

[Muravyets]

So a two minute old zygote is a viable human being, and can survive outside of it's mothers body for a prolonged time?

Sigh...YES. More examples from history:

Caesar Chavez, Chicano civil rights leader and zygote, picked grapes for 17 years without hands. Or even much in the way of differentiated cells. Like most Single Cellular Citizens, he was frequently discriminated against, even by other Latinos, who frequently called him El Microscopico Chingo De Madre.

Ron Jeremy, famous actor of stage and screen, most famous for having a 9.75 inch penis, amazing considering he was merely a fertilized cell. It was later discovered to be a surgical implant in the phospholipid bilayer of his celluar membrane. Despite having a dick that was 99.99999999984% of his total body mass, he led a full and meaningful life.

Katganistan, loved and hated moderator of nationstates general, is in fact merely a zygote. She dictates her posts to her boyfriend, in exchange for future promises of sex, or at least mitosis.

I got through the whole swine flu without having to go to a doctor. Now I need an ER for an emergency brain scrub to get that Ron Jeremy image out of my head. MUST. SAVE. THE BRAIN!!!

[Kormanthor]

I am expressing my opinion just like them.

No, you're expressing your emotions. Try Forum 7 for that kind of stuff. We're trying (for the most part) to have a civilized debate here.

What isn't civilized about defending unborn children?

The way you go about it.

I'm expressing my opinion .... just like you. The only difference is you don't think I should be allowed too.

[Grave_n_idle]

Yea .... same thing

If you can show that abortion is 'killing human beings', I'm listening.

[Takaram]

These are Children, not parasites or tumors

Making these statements without support, despite their having been discussed before in this thread, is the equivalent of standing in the room with fingers in ears yelling la la la not listening.

Forget Reppy, all hail Katganistan!

Ahh, couldn't have put it better myself.

Kat is a saint, and you are now a heretic. BURN!!! Anywho, Kormanthor, I'm failing to see where your argument is coming from. A human zygote is viable instantly after conception, but it cannot survive abortion. Two contradictory positions.

[The Rifle Brigade]

Not funny

Considering that you're on the record as saying that a fertilized cell is viable at the point of conception, its evident that your acumen for wit is about as well developed as your versing in biology.

[New Kereptica]

I am expressing my opinion just like them.

No, you're expressing your emotions. Try Forum 7 for that kind of stuff. We're trying (for the most part) to have a civilized debate here.

What isn't civilized about defending unborn children?

The way you go about it.

I'm expressing my opinion .... just like you. The only difference is you don't think I should be allowed too.

There's a strawwwwwwman
waiting in the sky!
He'd like to come and meet us,
but he thinks he'd blow our minds!
There's a strawwwwwwman
waiting in the sky!
He's told us not to blow it
'Cause he knows its all worthwhile!

[Araraukar]

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

Really?

Then why all the needing to be in a womb and all that? We could just put them into a fish bowl and watch them grow into babies!

[Kormanthor]

Did I not just state that this would require the fetus to be legally a person?

If fetus was legally a person, but abortion was still legal, it would obviously not make aborting equal to murder. You can legally kill others in special situations, that would be the same for abortion in the case you're putting before us here.

No matter how you try to justify it .... doesn't change the fact that it is murder plain and simple.

[Takaram]

Well, technically, a zygote is capable of surviving, and dividing, for about ten days, but after that, it must implant or fail.

Ten days to die doesn't really satisfy the term "viable".

If that were the case, Whitney Houston could have a career again.

True, just clarifying.

[Hydesland]

Obviously viability alone isn't sufficient. There are plenty of adult humans that aren't technically viable.

[New Kereptica]

Did I not just state that this would require the fetus to be legally a person?

If fetus was legally a person, but abortion was still legal, it would obviously not make aborting equal to murder. You can legally kill others in special situations, that would be the same for abortion in the case you're putting before us here.

No matter how you try to justify it .... doesn't change the fact that it is murder plain and simple.

No it's not. This has been pointed out to you a number of times.

[The Rifle Brigade]

I got through the whole swine flu without having to go to a doctor. Now I need an ER for an emergency brain scrub to get that Ron Jeremy image out of my head. MUST. SAVE. THE BRAIN!!!

Every time you sneeze, you might be ejecting tissue from your nasal lining, which is both human and alive.

If you were a decent human being, you'd store those cells in a safe environment of mucous and trace amounts of cocaine from college until they're natural lifespan is exhausted.

Then, pray for their souls.

[Sdaeriji]

Did I not just state that this would require the fetus to be legally a person?

If fetus was legally a person, but abortion was still legal, it would obviously not make aborting equal to murder. You can legally kill others in special situations, that would be the same for abortion in the case you're putting before us here.

No matter how you try to justify it .... doesn't change the fact that it is murder plain and simple.

Wrong.

[Takaram]

Did I not just state that this would require the fetus to be legally a person?

If fetus was legally a person, but abortion was still legal, it would obviously not make aborting equal to murder. You can legally kill others in special situations, that would be the same for abortion in the case you're putting before us here.

No matter how you try to justify it .... doesn't change the fact that it is murder plain and simple.

Really? How so? Last time I checked, the Supreme Court said it was legal, unlike murder.

[Kormanthor]

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

Really?

Then why all the needing to be in a womb and all that? We could just put them into a fish bowl and watch them grow into babies!

Because using a womans womb is how it's done.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

No matter how you try to justify it .... doesn't change the fact that it is murder plain and simple.

Even though it doesn't fit the definition of murder it still is murder. Logic be damned!

[Takaram]

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

Really?

Then why all the needing to be in a womb and all that? We could just put them into a fish bowl and watch them grow into babies!

Because using a womans womb is how it's done.

Then they obviously aren't viable outside of the mother.

[Muravyets]

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

Really?

Then why all the needing to be in a womb and all that? We could just put them into a fish bowl and watch them grow into babies!

Sea Monkeys ARE babies. Adopt them!

[Araraukar]

Get used to it. Abortion threads are this forum's version of Whack-a-Mole. The same silliness pops up, and we smack it down, and it pops up again somewhere else.

There were surprisingly few this past summer. I barely counted one per week.

It's usually during school holidays that the crackpots come crawling out of the walls.

[New Kereptica]

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

Really?

Then why all the needing to be in a womb and all that? We could just put them into a fish bowl and watch them grow into babies!

Because using a womans womb is how it's done.

But, according to you, there is no reason why it could not be done another, thus sparing the mother a huge amount of pain.

[Kormanthor]

No matter how you try to justify it .... doesn't change the fact that it is murder plain and simple.

Even though it doesn't fit the definition of murder it still is murder. Logic be damned!

It doesn't fit YOUR definition, but it is Murder.

[Grave_n_idle]

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

Really?

Then why all the needing to be in a womb and all that? We could just put them into a fish bowl and watch them grow into babies!

That.

Would.

Be.


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