Have I no right?

[Takaram]

Thank you grammar ranger for pointing out my mistake, clearly I'm the one who should have been aborted for my clear misuse of the English language.

Grammar ranger? That's a hell of a step up from grammar nazi.

I rather like grammar sniper. Or grammar assassin.

Grammar green beret

Grammar KGB.

Grammar Tank Brigade? Anywho, this whole thread seems to be us throwing out our arguments and Kormanthor ignoring them... big surprise.

[Araraukar]

No. See, just like Kormanthor is the final arbiter of god's word, she is also the final arbiter of what is and is not funny.

I'm proving him/her wrong with one more great Monty Python bit that's vaguely relevant, the Birth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcHdF1eHhgc&NR=1

[Muravyets]

What rule have I broken Katganistan? Why do you always side with them? I am expressing my opinion just like them.

Because it's a well-known fact that mods aren't allowed to have opinions and participate in debates.

They shouldn't be moderating in a thread they are actively participating in though.

IMO.

No he has a right to his own opinion, just like everyone else. I just wanted to know what I had done to warrant his arrival ... if anything.

She. And if you had actually been reading her posts, you might have noticed that she was responding to more posts than yours, indicating that she was reading the whole thread and getting caught up. Something you should think about doing, by the way. If she is talking to you more now, it is because you have engaged her in argument.

[The Rifle Brigade]

No he has a right to his own opinion, just like everyone else. I just wanted to know what I had done to warrant his arrival ... if anything.

Kat is a female (I notice you get snarky when people confuse you with a male, so maybe practice what you preach).

Two, not everything is about you. Maybe Kat just has an opinion, on a debate board, and voiced it. That you think her "arrival" has to be "warranted" by you is both erroneous and pretty self-aggrandizing.

[Kormanthor]

Unlike you all trying to use the mothers supposed right to commit murder

There you go again. It's like you hadn't read the previous answers.
1. It's not murder. You can only murder a viable person. Viable in this case meaning something no longer biologically parasitical.
2. The woman is not a mother until she's given birth to a baby. If the parasite is removed before becoming viable, she's not a mother. At most 'gravid female', but one that wishes to end said gravidity.

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

[Kalnisov]

This thread seems full of Pro-life Bill O'reilly's. They just keep ignoring all points that don't support their arguments.

[Takaram]

What rule have I broken Katganistan? Why do you always side with them? I am expressing my opinion just like them.

Because it's a well-known fact that mods aren't allowed to have opinions and participate in debates.

They shouldn't be moderating in a thread they are actively participating in though.

IMO.

No he has a right to his own opinion, just like everyone else. I just wanted to know what I had done to warrant his arrival ... if anything.

It's she, if I'm not mistaken, and I'm assuming that Kat simply decided to join in, just like the rest of us.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Grammar Tank Brigade? Anywho, this whole thread seems to be us throwing out our arguments and Kormanthor ignoring them... big surprise.

Just like "A Word to the Wise" except about abortion instead of Gawd.

[Grave_n_idle]

Abortion is only part of what we are discussing. I am siding with QM's right to exist even if his mother had decided otherwise.

You're suggesting that the OP was maybe posted by someone that had been aborted?

No? Then it's a nonsense - "QM" has a 'right to exist' (as much as anyone does), by virtue of being an actual person, with the rights that go with it.

The question is, does feotus jell-o have a legitimate claim to those 'rights'...?

[New Kereptica]

What rule have I broken Katganistan? Why do you always side with them? I am expressing my opinion just like them.

Because it's a well-known fact that mods aren't allowed to have opinions and participate in debates.

They shouldn't be moderating in a thread they are actively participating in though.

IMO.

No he has a right to his own opinion, just like everyone else. I just wanted to know what I had done to warrant his arrival ... if anything.

I believe it's a rather large stretch to believe that you did anything to warrant her arrival. It's a large, interesting looking thread. She came, I would wager, for the same reason I did.

[Takaram]

Unlike you all trying to use the mothers supposed right to commit murder

There you go again. It's like you hadn't read the previous answers.
1. It's not murder. You can only murder a viable person. Viable in this case meaning something no longer biologically parasitical.
2. The woman is not a mother until she's given birth to a baby. If the parasite is removed before becoming viable, she's not a mother. At most 'gravid female', but one that wishes to end said gravidity.

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

So a two minute old zygote is a viable human being, and can survive outside of it's mothers body for a prolonged time?

[New Kereptica]

Unlike you all trying to use the mothers supposed right to commit murder

There you go again. It's like you hadn't read the previous answers.
1. It's not murder. You can only murder a viable person. Viable in this case meaning something no longer biologically parasitical.
2. The woman is not a mother until she's given birth to a baby. If the parasite is removed before becoming viable, she's not a mother. At most 'gravid female', but one that wishes to end said gravidity.

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

Not really. It you take a 1 month old foetus out of the embryo and lay it on a table, it will die.

[Muravyets]

Unlike you all trying to use the mothers supposed right to commit murder

There you go again. It's like you hadn't read the previous answers.
1. It's not murder. You can only murder a viable person. Viable in this case meaning something no longer biologically parasitical.
2. The woman is not a mother until she's given birth to a baby. If the parasite is removed before becoming viable, she's not a mother. At most 'gravid female', but one that wishes to end said gravidity.

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

Oh, really? So, if a 1-week embryo is removed from a woman's body, it will continue to live on it's own? Well, why the fuck didn't you say so sooner?

[The Sentenial Empire]

well you are statistically more likely to commit violent crime >_>

You really wanna get the shit beaten out of you dont you...

[Hydesland]

The question is, does feotus jell-o have a legitimate claim to those 'rights'...?

And its implied meta-ethical question, is there a way to determine when a human entity has rights?

[Araraukar]

I hope your all happy I've finally busted a nut laughing, making you all murder's.

I'm a murder now?
What if it was the next Hitler she was aborting?

[Hiddenrun]

for abortion to be murder it would not have to be just illegal. it would require legal personhood on the part of the embryo on up.

that would be a legal, societal disaster.

What am I, in crazy town?

Did I not just state that this would require the fetus to be legally a person?

pay attention.

the POINT is that it would be a legal, societal disaster.

the rest was to make sure we are on the same page.

If what you are trying to say is, "If a fetus was a person, and if abortion then became illegal because it is murder, then I would still support abortion", it would have been nice for you to come right out and state it. If you have some other reason for responding to my question other than answering it, please clarify your purpose. Because right now, I have no idea what your point is.

[Muravyets]

This thread seems full of Pro-life Bill O'reilly's. They just keep ignoring all points that don't support their arguments.

Get used to it. Abortion threads are this forum's version of Whack-a-Mole. The same silliness pops up, and we smack it down, and it pops up again somewhere else.

[Kormanthor]

No he has a right to his own opinion, just like everyone else. I just wanted to know what I had done to warrant his arrival ... if anything.

Kat is a female (I notice you get snarky when people confuse you with a male, so maybe practice what you preach).

Two, not everything is about you. Maybe Kat just has an opinion, on a debate board, and voiced it. That you think her "arrival" has to be "warranted" by you is both erroneous and pretty self-aggrandizing.

Sorry Kat .... I didn't know, I am familiar with being called a male.

[The Rifle Brigade]

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

So, you don't have even a basic grasp of what the word "viable" means in this context.

It includes being able to exist on its own, without being supported by another organism.

If you think you could take a fertilized egg (zygote), remove it and have it survive on your own, it reveals a lot about how poorly educated your position is.

[New Kereptica]

well you are statistically more likely to commit violent crime >_>

You really wanna get the shit beaten out of you dont you...

What?

He's referencing a goddamn statistic, not flaming the guy!

[Araraukar]

Death by... busted nut?

*images I didn't need*

Thanks alot! Now I contracted those images off of you!

Oh, gawds, it's way too late to go to bed anymore... might as well stay for the continued hilarity.

[Grave_n_idle]

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

Well, there's the abortion debate resolved.

You can just scoop them little buggers out, and they'll be fine on their own.

Problem solved.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

Protip: Look up the word "viable."

[Takaram]

Viable Person? All human life is viable, even from the point of conception.

So, you don't have even a basic grasp of what the word "viable" means in this context.

It includes being able to exist on its own, without being supported by another organism.

If you think you could take a fertilized egg (zygote), remove it and have it survive on your own, it reveals a lot about how poorly educated your position is.

Well, technically, a zygote is capable of surviving, and dividing, for about ten days, but after that, it must implant or fail.