Have I no right?

[Muravyets]

Good thing your mother didn't have an abortion. It should only be allowed if the mothers life is in danger.

Thank you. That's the right thing to do. Anyways, I feel sorry for you Quotation Marks. I know you're not trying to have a pity party or anything, but life must've been tough.

And really people, why aren't they considered people? And why do we protect Eagle eggs better than HUMANS?

Because there are fewer of them. The world needs more eagles a shitload more than it needs more people.

[Call to power]

out of interest if I knock one out right now will I be committing mass murder?

... Really? Statistics are just numbers.

I like your style

[Hiddenrun]

Aren't humans superior to a stupid bird anyways? I mean, of course I don't want them to go extinct, but we can think, create tools and inventions. I'd like to see an eagle surf the web.

I'd like to see you fuck while you plunge in a free fall towards the earth.

[Iceland-Thule]

Good thing your mother didn't have an abortion. It should only be allowed if the mothers life is in danger.

Thank you. That's the right thing to do. Anyways, I feel sorry for you Quotation Marks. I know you're not trying to have a pity party or anything, but life must've been tough.

And really people, why aren't they considered people? And why do we protect Eagle eggs better than HUMANS?

Because there are like 12 eagles.

We're hardly on the brink of extinction.

So its ok to kill unborn babies cause we aren't endangered?

[Hydesland]

Because there are fewer of them. The world needs more eagles a shitload more than it needs more people.

Although in reality the world doesn't need anything, it's just a floating rock that can't have any self interests.

[WWII History Geeks]

A human being that grows and supports itself, even in a miniscule way.

That's your idea of a definition? To use a similarly nebulous term?

Okay - then what constitutes 'a human being'?

Stop picking on her/him (sorry, I don't know the gender). You yourself are a human being. Don't ask stupid questions. We don't need to get down to the nitty-gritty to debate this. This is about where life starts and who has the right to life or death.

[Grave_n_idle]

Unless of course you're lying to try and make the NSG community feel pity for you in an attempt to shift their perspectives on the issue of abortion concerning rape victims...

I'm inclined to suspect you're onto something, there.

I can't imagine someone who KNOWS they are the child of rape, being so callous about their mother (the rape victims that chose not to abort), so I'm suspecting our new quoty friend is peddling an artifact history.

[Rhodmhire]

I'd like to see an eagle surf the web.

Wish granted.

[Psychotic Mongooses]

Normally I'd crack a rape joke, but this is kind of a sad situation for me to do so, so I won't.

You've changed, you used to be co...

Unless of course you're lying to try and make the NSG community feel pity for you in an attempt to shift their perspectives on the issue of abortion concerning rape victims, or abortion in general.

The latter of the two is growing more and more likely in my mind as I type this.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, it's just the Internet theorems and all:

Hot girl = 40 year old male

Olympic champion = Internet tough guy = Not Olympic champion

Increase in respect = Decrease in social activity

And the likes, you know it just goes that way at times.

.... there it is.

[Araraukar]

But I'd still like to know how people can think that they can kill babies and experiment with human embryos all willy-nilly! These are people, not objects, diseases, disorders or experiments!

Embryos are not babies. Anything that could not live outside its host body (in the case of embryos, outside the gravid female) should not be automatically considered a viable individual. A better classification would be a parasite.

Now, as for why some women decide not to keep these parasites and some do, I don't know. Personally I see no harm in experiments conducted on removed parasites. They're already dead without the host environment, so why not get something out of it?

[Grave_n_idle]

Good thing your mother didn't have an abortion. It should only be allowed if the mothers life is in danger.

Thank you. That's the right thing to do. Anyways, I feel sorry for you Quotation Marks. I know you're not trying to have a pity party or anything, but life must've been tough.

And really people, why aren't they considered people? And why do we protect Eagle eggs better than HUMANS?

Because there are like 12 eagles.

We're hardly on the brink of extinction.

Bald Eagles have been doing much better in recent times actually, but that's beside the point.

Aren't humans superior to a stupid bird anyways? I mean, of course I don't want them to go extinct, but we can think, create tools and inventions. I'd like to see an eagle surf the web.

We're 'better' than trees and other plants, too. That doesn't mean we can breathe a post-plant atmosphere.

Turns out the world isn't as simple as you might like.

[Alexlantis]

I see your point. To me, abortion is only right in the case of the mother's life being in danger. I salute you, for you have probably made your mother proud.

[WWII History Geeks]

Aren't humans superior to a stupid bird anyways? I mean, of course I don't want them to go extinct, but we can think, create tools and inventions. I'd like to see an eagle surf the web.

I'd like to see you fuck while you plunge in a free fall towards the earth.

Okay, the only time I'd even USE that ability (on a miniscule chance) is if I was skydiving, and I hardly think I can fall for that long. Anyways, how is that even practical? Humans don't need to do that.

[Grave_n_idle]

Good thing your mother didn't have an abortion. It should only be allowed if the mothers life is in danger.

Thank you. That's the right thing to do. Anyways, I feel sorry for you Quotation Marks. I know you're not trying to have a pity party or anything, but life must've been tough.

And really people, why aren't they considered people? And why do we protect Eagle eggs better than HUMANS?

Because there are like 12 eagles.

We're hardly on the brink of extinction.

So its ok to kill unborn babies cause we aren't endangered?

That, my friend, is called a strawman.

[The Scandinvans]

You have a right to life as you are a living human.

That was not the case before a certain point. The abortion argument hinges on where this point is. The anti-abortionists say it is at conception. The pro-choice say it's at some point prior to birth but after conception. You're not adding to the debate by bringing yourself into it and making it a personal issue and obviously taking insult at even the existence of another, more rational view.

If you are going to use the politically correct for one group, then please use the politically correct for the other group. Or use politically incorrect terms for both.

Do not half-ass things.

[Muravyets]

I just enjoy the way some people seem to think that if they make the whole issue personal and extremely emotional it will...what? Make people feel awkward about debating it? They don't know us very well, do they?

Since (A) there is no way to know if the OP is lying or telling the truth and (B) it doesn't matter anyway because anecdotal arguments do not win debates, I dismiss the entire OP as being based on an appeal to emotion fallacy.

The fact that you were not aborted does not make abortion murder.

The fact that YOU think it is murder does not make it murder.

The fact that you dress up your opinions is emotional melodrama does not make your opinion fact.

[Hiddenrun]

That, my friend, is called a strawman.

It fits what you said pretty well. But don't worry, I don't expect you to admit it.

[Kamsaki]

What are you complaining about?

There are no 'rights' except as societal constructs.

There is no intrinsic right to life.

Well... There's certainly no imperative to act on the theories of right that are not socially conventional, but that's not to say there is no non-social right. Going back to ye old Hegel, a right is when reality reflect's an individual's will to affect itself, and correspondingly, the right to life is one of those that are present both in society and in the state of nature.

Sure, there's nothing to stop people killing you, but they would have to use violent intervention in doing so, which doesn't actually deny that you had the right; merely that it is being respected.

[WWII History Geeks]

I'd like to see an eagle surf the web.

Wish granted.

[Grave_n_idle]

A human being that grows and supports itself, even in a miniscule way.

That's your idea of a definition? To use a similarly nebulous term?

Okay - then what constitutes 'a human being'?

Stop picking on her/him (sorry, I don't know the gender). You yourself are a human being. Don't ask stupid questions. We don't need to get down to the nitty-gritty to debate this. This is about where life starts and who has the right to life or death.

There's nothing stupid about the question - if 'Quotation' wants to discuss things as fundamental as humanity, then he/she should be willing to explore the concepts. That's not picking on him or her, that's making sure we're all on the same page.

[Hiddenrun]

I just enjoy the way some people seem to think that if they make the whole issue personal and extremely emotional it will...what? Make people feel awkward about debating it? They don't know us very well, do they?

Since (A) there is no way to know if the OP is lying or telling the truth and (B) it doesn't matter anyway because anecdotal arguments do not win debates, I dismiss the entire OP as being based on an appeal to emotion fallacy.

Oh look at me! I am going to spot the fallacy and win the game! Do I get a lollipop? Gosh I'm so smart.

[Araraukar]

Why can people abort at all? It's murder! Like I said, these are PEOPLE.

I'm starting to think your mother should have had an abortion... but think about it this way; what if she'd been raped by her daddy or brother? What if you'd been born with severe neural disorder because of that, and would have made her life a hell before dying off of "unspecified causes", in other words, being held a pillow over your face until you snuffed.

Yes, I'm pro-choice, but I would not force anyone to abort any more than I would force anyone throw their baby out of the window.

[Rhodmhire]

Unless of course you're lying to try and make the NSG community feel pity for you in an attempt to shift their perspectives on the issue of abortion concerning rape victims...

I'm inclined to suspect you're onto something, there.

I can't imagine someone who KNOWS they are the child of rape, being so callous about their mother (the rape victims that chose not to abort), so I'm suspecting our new quoty friend is peddling an artifact history.

I'm always onto something.

It's simple Internet assumption theorems, what is said is rarely as it seems.

I don't mean to be rude to the OP, for all I know he/she might actually be the child of a rape victim. And if that's the case, he/she has my sincere apologies and so forth.

But I've seen these types of things before on various sites about various topics. We just have to wait until he/she starts responding to questions relating to the subject that, if answered wrong or in a questionable manner, would display he/she knows nothing about the topic, therefore is less likely to be a product of the topic.

Wow, that was worded badly, but you get my point I hope.

[Grave_n_idle]

I see your point. To me, abortion is only right in the case of the mother's life being in danger. I salute you, for you have probably made your mother proud.

Yep. Nothing makes a mother proud like the offspring using her violent violation into a pointscoring argument.

[Quotation Marks]

Regardless, would it be okay for me to be murdered now if I had not been convicted of a crime? I think we'll all agree no. So would it have been perfectly fine to have killed me then?