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Californian Mod Haters
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Postby Californian Mod Haters » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:22 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Muravyets wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Minnas wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Minnas wrote:
Colonic Immigration wrote:It's not murder. :palm: Why shouldn't women have a choice?


I keep asking myself that. After all, I'm a woman. But you know, according to men, we're merely a sub-species. Lower then them. Therefore, we must give birth because, well, we don't know how to think and our bodies are men's property.

:roll:

So long people treat you like people and no one dies as a result, this should be encoraged. But this is impossible.


I hope you're just joking. Otherwise, your words make you nothing but a pig.

But I said it was impossible.

What? Impossible to treat people like people? And that's the only reason you wouldn't encourage treating women's bodies as the property of men? Think before you answer.


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Just kidding :lol:

But still:

stop spamming our thread with useless pics.

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Muravyets
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Postby Muravyets » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:41 pm

Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Muravyets wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Minnas wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Minnas wrote:
Colonic Immigration wrote:It's not murder. :palm: Why shouldn't women have a choice?


I keep asking myself that. After all, I'm a woman. But you know, according to men, we're merely a sub-species. Lower then them. Therefore, we must give birth because, well, we don't know how to think and our bodies are men's property.

:roll:

So long people treat you like people and no one dies as a result, this should be encoraged. But this is impossible.


I hope you're just joking. Otherwise, your words make you nothing but a pig.

But I said it was impossible.

What? Impossible to treat people like people? And that's the only reason you wouldn't encourage treating women's bodies as the property of men? Think before you answer.

No. I meant it was impossible to treat women like men if you think of them as baby factories.

So then... what you're saying is that the only way to avoid treating women's bodies as the property of men is to treat women like men because... only men are allowed to own their own bodies...?

And also you are saying that if you think of women as baby factories then you also think of those baby factories as being the property of men?

GnI's post may have been picspam, but it was also an accurate warning. You were already in the trap, and you had no idea. The point is coming up pretty fast where you should go back to the start, think about what you wanted to say, and then just say that.
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Californian Mod Haters
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Postby Californian Mod Haters » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:57 pm

Muravyets wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Muravyets wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Minnas wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Minnas wrote:
Colonic Immigration wrote:It's not murder. :palm: Why shouldn't women have a choice?


I keep asking myself that. After all, I'm a woman. But you know, according to men, we're merely a sub-species. Lower then them. Therefore, we must give birth because, well, we don't know how to think and our bodies are men's property.

:roll:

So long people treat you like people and no one dies as a result, this should be encoraged. But this is impossible.


I hope you're just joking. Otherwise, your words make you nothing but a pig.

But I said it was impossible.

What? Impossible to treat people like people? And that's the only reason you wouldn't encourage treating women's bodies as the property of men? Think before you answer.

No. I meant it was impossible to treat women like men if you think of them as baby factories.

So then... what you're saying is that the only way to avoid treating women's bodies as the property of men is to treat women like men because... only men are allowed to own their own bodies...?

No. I was tryin' to make the pro-lifers look stupid but I forgot
" :p "
And also you are saying that if you think of women as baby factories then you also think of those baby factories as being the property of men?

See the above.
GnI's post may have been picspam, but it was also an accurate warning. You were already in the trap, and you had no idea. The point is coming up pretty fast where you should go back to the start, think about what you wanted to say, and then just say that.

I'll edit it

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Postby Muravyets » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:13 pm

Californian Mod Haters wrote:<snip>
I'll edit it

Good call. :p Now you know why Minnas got her back up. ;) Playing with anti-choicers' arguments is kind of like wading through molasses, isn't it?
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Postby Araraukar » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:39 am

Oh my goodness, 30 pages more since I last saw this thread... not even trying to keep up anymore. :lol2:
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Postby Aglrinia » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:45 am

I must be honest this thread utterly annoys me.

We have no reassurance that what the person said is true, on the first page and first topic. If you're looking for pitty the internet is more than likely the wrong place to go to.

This topic honestly in my opinion has won Troll of the year on one of the most controversial topics in government. Good Job.
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Grave_n_idle
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:46 am

Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Muravyets wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Minnas wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Minnas wrote:
Colonic Immigration wrote:It's not murder. :palm: Why shouldn't women have a choice?


I keep asking myself that. After all, I'm a woman. But you know, according to men, we're merely a sub-species. Lower then them. Therefore, we must give birth because, well, we don't know how to think and our bodies are men's property.

:roll:

So long people treat you like people and no one dies as a result, this should be encoraged. But this is impossible.


I hope you're just joking. Otherwise, your words make you nothing but a pig.

But I said it was impossible.

What? Impossible to treat people like people? And that's the only reason you wouldn't encourage treating women's bodies as the property of men? Think before you answer.


Image

SHUT YO TRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding :lol:

But still:

stop spamming our thread with useless pics.


Not spam, and not useless. Pic - yes.

I could have posted a two-sentence response about how you had dug yourself into a pretty horrible hole, and no matter what you said from there, you were likely to fall afoul of Muravyets (which you did - it was totally predictable)... but this is one of those rare occassions where a picture of Admiral Ackbar serves the purpose.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:08 am

Aglrinia wrote:I must be honest this thread utterly annoys me.

We have no reassurance that what the person said is true, on the first page and first topic. If you're looking for pitty the internet is more than likely the wrong place to go to.

This topic honestly in my opinion has won Troll of the year on one of the most controversial topics in government. Good Job.

you think the thread was all a response to the OP?
whatever

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Postby Escafin » Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:45 pm

Praise John Holdren, our science Czar.

He believes you can be aborted until two years after birth... isn't that great?!
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Postby Xsyne » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:56 am

Escafin wrote:Praise John Holdren, our science Czar.

He believes you can be aborted until two years after birth... isn't that great?!

No, he doesn't. You are either lying, ignorant, or incapable of reading beyond the level of "See Spot Run".

See, I can make assertions with no evidence too. Only difference is, I'm right.
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The People of George
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Postby The People of George » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:05 pm

Exactly why i don't believe in abortion...every one of us could have been aborted...nobody knows who their child will grow up to be, so why chance it? Given it could range from Mother Theresa to Hitler, but that is the chance that everyone takes.

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Postby Treznor » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:09 pm

The People of George wrote:Exactly why i don't believe in abortion...every one of us could have been aborted...nobody knows who their child will grow up to be, so why chance it? Given it could range from Mother Theresa to Hitler, but that is the chance that everyone takes.

Mother Theresa or Hitler, it doesn't matter. No one has the right to force a woman to carry a pregnancy against her will.

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The People of George
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Postby The People of George » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:12 pm

Treznor wrote:
The People of George wrote:Exactly why i don't believe in abortion...every one of us could have been aborted...nobody knows who their child will grow up to be, so why chance it? Given it could range from Mother Theresa to Hitler, but that is the chance that everyone takes.

Mother Theresa or Hitler, it doesn't matter. No one has the right to force a woman to carry a pregnancy against her will.

Soooo...if a woman decides to have an abortion at 7 months that's acceptable?

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Postby Callisdrun » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:16 pm

The People of George wrote:
Treznor wrote:
The People of George wrote:Exactly why i don't believe in abortion...every one of us could have been aborted...nobody knows who their child will grow up to be, so why chance it? Given it could range from Mother Theresa to Hitler, but that is the chance that everyone takes.

Mother Theresa or Hitler, it doesn't matter. No one has the right to force a woman to carry a pregnancy against her will.

Soooo...if a woman decides to have an abortion at 7 months that's acceptable?

Will that organism be viable without the use of her organs?

Hardly anyone has an abortion at 7 months without there being some pressing medical reason anyway.
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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:17 pm

[Darth Vader Voice=]89 pages in two weeks...

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Postby The Tofu Islands » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:17 pm

The People of George wrote:Soooo...if a woman decides to have an abortion at 7 months that's acceptable?

No. At seven months, the woman should be allowed to have an induced birth (or, if there are medical reasons, an abortion).
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The People of George
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Postby The People of George » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:18 pm

Callisdrun wrote:
The People of George wrote:
Treznor wrote:
The People of George wrote:Exactly why i don't believe in abortion...every one of us could have been aborted...nobody knows who their child will grow up to be, so why chance it? Given it could range from Mother Theresa to Hitler, but that is the chance that everyone takes.

Mother Theresa or Hitler, it doesn't matter. No one has the right to force a woman to carry a pregnancy against her will.

Soooo...if a woman decides to have an abortion at 7 months that's acceptable?

Will that organism be viable without the use of her organs?

Hardly anyone has an abortion at 7 months without there being some pressing medical reason anyway.

So what should be the cut off point then?

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Postby The People of George » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:19 pm

The Tofu Islands wrote:
The People of George wrote:Soooo...if a woman decides to have an abortion at 7 months that's acceptable?

No. At seven months, the woman should be allowed to have an induced birth (or, if there are medical reasons, an abortion).

Sooo...when?

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Postby Callisdrun » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:21 pm

The People of George wrote:
The Tofu Islands wrote:
The People of George wrote:Soooo...if a woman decides to have an abortion at 7 months that's acceptable?

No. At seven months, the woman should be allowed to have an induced birth (or, if there are medical reasons, an abortion).

Sooo...when?

The cut off point in the US for an abortion just because the woman wants one is the end of the first trimester, IIRC. Then there are some restrictions in the second trimester. During the third trimester, abortions are only allowed under very dire medical circumstances.
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Postby Treznor » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:22 pm

The People of George wrote:
Treznor wrote:
The People of George wrote:Exactly why i don't believe in abortion...every one of us could have been aborted...nobody knows who their child will grow up to be, so why chance it? Given it could range from Mother Theresa to Hitler, but that is the chance that everyone takes.

Mother Theresa or Hitler, it doesn't matter. No one has the right to force a woman to carry a pregnancy against her will.

Soooo...if a woman decides to have an abortion at 7 months that's acceptable?

Few women haven't actively decided to carry the pregnancy by 7 months. If they suddenly change their mind, then they're going to be hard-pressed to find a doctor willing to perform the abortion.

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Postby Czardas » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:23 pm

Thread has definitely run its course. iLock.
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