Have I no right?

[Grave_n_idle]

OOC: BAvin you are a thread stalker

I think the Woman has no right, and right, i mean i used to think just right, but now i am just like WTF!

Is there any chance we can get this in a language?

[Sdaeriji]

OOC: BAvin you are a thread stalker

I think the Woman has no right, and right, i mean i used to think just right, but now i am just like WTF!

Is there any chance we can get this in a language?

You don't recognize Slaytesicsish?

[Tunizcha]

OOC: BAvin you are a thread stalker

I think the Woman has no right, and right, i mean i used to think just right, but now i am just like WTF!

Is there any chance we can get this in a language?

My brain just went kaput.

[Grave_n_idle]

OOC: BAvin you are a thread stalker

I think the Woman has no right, and right, i mean i used to think just right, but now i am just like WTF!

Is there any chance we can get this in a language?

You don't recognize Slaytesicsish?

I recognise it in the same way that I recognise a sneeze - that doesn't mean I can read it.

[The Rifle Brigade]

OOC: BAvin you are a thread stalker

I think the Woman has no right, and right, i mean i used to think just right, but now i am just like WTF!

Exposure to your thoughts is like having a seizure in which I am compelled to run full speed backwards into a brass doorknob.

[Ryadn]

I probably don't even want to know how you plan to prevent women from menstruating.

A complicated system of corks, string, and chewing gum.

I could tell you more, but you don't want to hear it.

...is it at least sugar-free chewing gum? Giving us all yeast infections on top of somehow plugging our vajayjays just seems needlessly cruel.

I don't menstruate. It's awesome, except for the part where every six-eight months I start getting paranoid and wonder if I'm pregnant.

[Bavin]

OOC: BAvin you are a thread stalker

I think the Woman has no right, and right, i mean i used to think just right, but now i am just like WTF!

I'll have you know I joined this thread pages ago, mostly making wisecracks as I always do!

[Ryadn]

OOC: BAvin you are a thread stalker

I think the Woman has no right, and right, i mean i used to think just right, but now i am just like WTF!

Exposure to your thoughts is like having a seizure in which I am compelled to run full speed backwards into a brass doorknob.

I've done that more than once. It wasn't this painful.

[The Isle of Biscay]

I tried to put this in its own thread, but the Melkman says nono. So:

I am the potential father of an unconceived love child with Katganistan. This child has all the possibility of growing up to be a happy and productive member of society despite our most likely uneven parenting and most likely my complete absence after a few years.

However, Katganistan doesn't seem to believe that this child has the rights of a human being. In fact, she is valuing her choice and comfort as more important than our imaginary child's life.

To help convince her, I am putting forward the following pro-life arguments that are based on science and truth.

1. The 1st Law of Thermodynamics. Matter and Energy cannot be created or destroyed. The egg that are child will be developed from currently exists in Katganistan's left ovary. The material that will eventually be made into the sperm that I will propel into her body during eight minutes of sweaty, clumsy rutting in a Howard Johnson's budget suite and conference center followed by us watching a Benny Hill DVD in awkward silence while I eat cashews from the mini-bar and she sends text messages to her sister that I pretend I'm not trying to read with my peripheral vision but the only word I can make out is either "distraught" or "disappointing" also already exists, currently in the form of frozen protein in a chicken McNugget in a storage cooler in a McDonalds in Orem, Utah. Thus, our child already exists, in a form.

2. Causality. Causality is not the same as correlation. I say that because its true and makes me sounds smart. Katganistan's refusal to spread for me is causing our child not to exist. This is the same thing as murder. (see Pusey v. Bator, actual case).

3. Thus, if you value human life, you should value the life of our child and support me in seeking injunctive relief from the other mods, who can order Katganistan to refrain from refraining from having sex with me.

Remeber, Katganistan's failure to let me stick my turgid, throbbing tallywhacker into her hoo hoo dilly is the same as MURDER.

....

I don't know what to be outraged about first: the scenario which posits us knocking boots, or that it would be imagined to happen in a Howard Johnson's.

I have the 'potential' to rape every person I come in contact with, as I also have the potential to murder every person I come in contact with. That potential however does not make me a murderer or a rapist. Also, any one person that does commit murder, is preventing that person that was murdered from murdering and raping, so does that make the murderer a saint for taking a potential murderer and rapist off the streets?

Discussions of 'potential' in these situations is just idiotic.

Yes, a sperm and an egg have the potential to create life, but if the denying of that potential of life is considered murder, then so is menstruation and masturbation.

Did you also know that scientists have fertilized an egg with a stem cell? Shit! Does that mean that everytime I lose blood, I am murdering potential babies?

[Tunizcha]

Potentiality does not equal actuality.

[Neo Art]

OOC: BAvin you are a thread stalker

I think the Woman has no right, and right, i mean i used to think just right, but now i am just like WTF!

Exposure to your thoughts is like having a seizure in which I am compelled to run full speed backwards into a brass doorknob.

I've done that more than once. It wasn't this painful.

admit it...you kinda liked it.

[New Kereptica]

I have the 'potential' to rape every person I come in contact with, as I also have the potential to murder every person I come in contact with. That potential however does not make me a murderer or a rapist. Also, any one person that does commit murder, is preventing that person that was murdered from murdering and raping, so does that make the murderer a saint for taking a potential murderer and rapist off the streets?

Discussions of 'potential' in these situations is just idiotic.

Yes, a sperm and an egg have the potential to create life, but if the denying of that potential of life is considered murder, then so is menstruation and masturbation.

Did you also know that scientists have fertilized an egg with a stem cell? Shit! Does that mean that everytime I lose blood, I am murdering potential babies?

Keep thinkin' that, tough guy.

[The Rifle Brigade]

I have the 'potential' to rape every person I come in contact with, as I also have the potential to murder every person I come in contact with.

Its important to believe in yourself.

That potential however does not make me a murderer or a rapist. Also, any one person that does commit murder, is preventing that person that was murdered from murdering and raping, so does that make the murderer a saint for taking a potential murderer and rapist off the streets?

No, what makes you a saint is not raping the corpse. Have you not read the revised catechism?

Discussions of 'potential' in these situations is just idiotic.

Yes, a sperm and an egg have the potential to create life, but if the denying of that potential of life is considered murder, then so is menstruation and masturbation.

Already covered, read the thread.

Did you also know that scientists have fertilized an egg with a stem cell? Shit! Does that mean that everytime I lose blood, I am murdering potential babies?

Every time you blow your nose, you are murdering the world entire.

[The Rifle Brigade]

admit it...you kinda liked it.

That's your answer to everything.

[Ryadn]

OOC: BAvin you are a thread stalker

I think the Woman has no right, and right, i mean i used to think just right, but now i am just like WTF!

Exposure to your thoughts is like having a seizure in which I am compelled to run full speed backwards into a brass doorknob.

I've done that more than once. It wasn't this painful.

admit it...you kinda liked it.

That was a different knob you're remembering.

[The Rifle Brigade]

That was a different knob you're remembering.

That's your answer to everything.

[Grave_n_idle]

That was a different knob you're remembering.

That's your answer to everything.

That's your answer to everything.

[Bottle]

All people are also significantly more than just environments, which would be what I actually said. Otherwise, you would have no cause to object if someone decided to raise a culture of, say, Yersinia pestis in your lungs. Somehow I suspect that you see yourself as more than simply an environment, and would very strongly support your right not to support a plague colony against your will.

First of all when did children become a "plague"?

When a pregnancy is unwanted, "plague" is a polite phrase. Especially when you're the one expected to carry it to term.

Quoted for truth.

I, personally, would rather be host to swine flu than a pregnancy. I would rather have herpes than a baby. I would rather stick a coat hanger through my cervix than carry a pregnancy to term. I'm not exaggerating.

Now, that's just me. But that's how badly I don't want to be pregnant right now. I welcome anybody's explanation of why their feelings should over-ride mine when it comes to the use of my body for gestating a pregnancy.

[Bottle]

Assume I was suddenly an embryo again, but somehow retained all the knowledge and emotion I currently have. Personally, I would rather be aborted than have my mother forced to be used as an incubator against her will.

I pointed it out earlier in the thread, but the number of people who would see their own mothers forced to be incubators disturbs me.

Also quoted for truth.

I would far, far, FAR rather have never been born, than know my mother was forced to bear me against her wishes.

I would rather die RIGHT NOW than see my mother forced through that, and I'm horrified by the number of people who wouldn't.

[Jinkoku]

I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but you cannot truly call an egg a baby until it starts breathing. It's a ridiculous subject. It's a woman's choice to abort, only as long as the "speck" inside of her had no time to develop. You see, at that point, they are just a collection of cells/DNA. It'd be a different story if they aborted if they were, lets say 2 weeks pregnant? If you were a rape victim, it's ok to abort within the first two weeks. It is true at conception, the inevitable creation of the "foundations" for life are created, but I wouldn't that a baby right away... it couldn't exist outside of the womb.. and over those 9 months, the baby becomes an actual baby. BTW I am a child of a rape victim too. My mom was on a sleep over.. still in high school and was raped by a 49 year old. I would have to accept my fate if she had aborted me, it is a defiling moment for a woman when she gets victimized in that way. You'd feel dirty too, and you wouldn't know what to expect if you ended up preggers. Anyway, I don't think my soul would have ceased to exist just because of abortion. I would've only been born somewhere else by someone else. Like, who is next in line? Spirit and soul are two different things. It isn't taking life until I'd actually have organs and a beating heart.

Did anyone bring up a point.. what would you do if you knew the child you were carrying had something horribly wrong with it? This is such a touchy subject.

[The Isle of Biscay]

I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but you cannot truly call an egg a baby until it starts breathing. It's a ridiculous subject. It's a woman's choice to abort, only as long as the "speck" inside of her had no time to develop. You see, at that point, they are just a collection of cells/DNA. It'd be a different story if they aborted if they were, lets say 2 weeks pregnant? If you were a rape victim, it's ok to abort within the first two weeks. It is true at conception, the inevitable creation of the "foundations" for life are created, but I wouldn't that a baby right away... it couldn't exist outside of the womb.. and over those 9 months, the baby becomes an actual baby. BTW I am a child of a rape victim too. My mom was on a sleep over.. still in high school and was raped by a 49 year old. I would have to accept my fate if she had aborted me, it is a defiling moment for a woman when she gets victimized in that way. You'd feel dirty too, and you wouldn't know what to expect if you ended up preggers. Anyway, I don't think my soul would have ceased to exist just because of abortion. I would've only been born somewhere else by someone else. Like, who is next in line? Spirit and soul are two different things. It isn't taking life until I'd actually have organs and a beating heart.

Did anyone bring up a point.. what would you do if you knew the child you were carrying had something horribly wrong with it? This is such a touchy subject.

As I posted earlier...

"At the point of fertilisation, it takes about 22 hours for the genetic materials from the sperm and the egg to merge, a stage called syngamy (The is not even a whole organism before this point).

According to many Neurologists, a fetus does not exihibit continuous brain wave activity until 32 weeks from point of conception. Other Neurologists are "concerned" that that a fetus may feel pain as young as 20 weeks.

Interestingly though, MOST abortions take place before 12 weeks! At this stage of development, the human conciousness does not even exist! The same as if the fetus was not even there. If anyone is going to argue that a fetus younger than 12 weeks is a human being, then they would ALSO have to prove that a sperm and an ova are also human beings, as the only difference is the merging of the genetic material."

[Kryozerkia]

You create, very occasionally, incredibly shitty threads with your own idea.

How the fuck do you extrapolate that from my post? Are you fucking insane?

I am seeing a pattern here that must to be broken. If you cannot be civil, then don't post. Swearing on its own is one thing, flaming is another.

[Bottle]

I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but you cannot truly call an egg a baby until it starts breathing.

Why breathing? (just curious)

If a baby stops breathing, does it suddenly stop being a baby?

If you were a rape victim, it's ok to abort within the first two weeks.

What if you weren't?

Did anyone bring up a point.. what would you do if you knew the child you were carrying had something horribly wrong with it? This is such a touchy subject.

There was actually an entire thread about this not too long ago. It is, as you say, a touchy subject.

[Araraukar]

I really, really am. To be fair, though, you do have to remember that those 54 pages were also spiked with Python references, babies growing in fishbowls, the entire world completely failing to live in Texas, magical all-knowing bodies, and whatsherface's statement that she herself should be illegal, all of which make for a rather entertaining experience.

Heh, I still have the last few pages to read to catch up - the topic had sprouted 12 more pages since I last saw it (yes, I was present for the first 47 pages, most of which occurred within a 6-hour time span) - but I can confess to being guilty of quite a few Monty Python references (and posting URLs to their YouTube channel's videos) as well as the concept of sticking an embryo in a fish bowl to see if it'll grow...

[Czardas]

I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but you cannot truly call an egg a baby until it starts breathing.

Why breathing? (just curious)

If a baby stops breathing, does it suddenly stop being a baby?

Well yes, because normally no breathing = death, so it stops being a potential baby and starts being a potential main dish.