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Postby Quotation Marks » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:02 pm

I am the child of a rape victim. Yeah, the child of the rapist and my mom. I would have been aborted if my mom would've had access to that.

Now, for all you people out there who are "pro-women's choice," have I no right to life? I could've died and you'd just assume that my life for my mother's comfort was a more than fair trade. I am very successful today and would like to know why in the United States eagle eggs are better protected than our children. I would like to know how you think it's okay to kill something that has a heartbeat, a hand, a face, and is LIVING and GROWING inside of someone? This is MURDER.

Have I no right to life?

Why is this trade considered so equal? A life and comfort are NOT EQUAL!

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Postby Hydesland » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:03 pm

Depends where your mother lives. In your case, she was living in an area where you apparently do have the right.

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Postby Call to power » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:05 pm

well you are statistically more likely to commit violent crime >_>
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Postby Quotation Marks » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:06 pm

My mom had the right at the time, but didn't go through.

But I'd still like to know how people can think that they can kill babies and experiment with human embryos all willy-nilly! These are people, not objects, diseases, disorders or experiments!

I, as well as other children, have a right to live my life and enjoy it! Why is it that you can deny others that right?

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Postby Phenia » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:06 pm

You have a right to life as you are a living human.

That was not the case before a certain point. The abortion argument hinges on where this point is. The anti-abortionists say it is at conception. The pro-choice say it's at some point prior to birth but after conception. You're not adding to the debate by bringing yourself into it and making it a personal issue and obviously taking insult at even the existence of another, more rational view.

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Postby Quotation Marks » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:06 pm

Call to power wrote:well you are statistically more likely to commit violent crime >_>


... :eyebrow: Really? Statistics are just numbers.

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Postby Hydesland » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:07 pm

Quotation Marks wrote:But I'd still like to know how people can think that they can kill babies and experiment with human embryos all willy-nilly! These are people, not objects, diseases, disorders or experiments!


They do so generally by deciding that they are not people (i.e. do not contain the property of personhood).

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Postby Quotation Marks » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:08 pm

Why can people abort at all? It's murder! Like I said, these are PEOPLE.

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Postby Quotation Marks » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:08 pm

How are they not people?

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Postby Iceland-Thule » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:08 pm

Good thing your mother didn't have an abortion. It should only be allowed if the mothers life is in danger.

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Postby Surote » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:08 pm

Quotation Marks wrote:I am the child of a rape victim. Yeah, the child of the rapist and my mom. I would have been aborted if my mom would've had access to that.

Now, for all you people out there who are "pro-women's choice," have I no right to life? I could've died and you'd just assume that my life for my mother's comfort was a more than fair trade. I am very successful today and would like to know why in the United States eagle eggs are better protected than our children. I would like to know how you think it's okay to kill something that has a heartbeat, a hand, a face, and is LIVING and GROWING inside of someone? This is MURDER.

Have I no right to life?

Why is this trade considered so equal? A life and comfort are NOT EQUAL!


It's the women choice since you are part of her it's her choice what she can do with you it's not the governments choice okay that's why I'm pro-choice life doesn't being till your breathing on your own.

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Postby Hiddenrun » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:09 pm

I support the father's right to have a say in abortion. I don't oppose abortion per se. In your case, however, I would not support the father's say in the issue. Had your mom aborted you, I would have had no problem with it.
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Postby Hydesland » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:09 pm

Quotation Marks wrote:How are they not people?


Because their definition of personhood says so. Another argument is that a woman's right to bodily integrity overrides the fetus' right to life.

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Postby City of Norfolk » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:10 pm

I applaud you for standing up for your beliefs. :clap:

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:10 pm

Quotation Marks wrote:I am the child of a rape victim. Yeah, the child of the rapist and my mom. I would have been aborted if my mom would've had access to that.

Now, for all you people out there who are "pro-women's choice," have I no right to life? I could've died and you'd just assume that my life for my mother's comfort was a more than fair trade. I am very successful today and would like to know why in the United States eagle eggs are better protected than our children. I would like to know how you think it's okay to kill something that has a heartbeat, a hand, a face, and is LIVING and GROWING inside of someone? This is MURDER.

Have I no right to life?

Why is this trade considered so equal? A life and comfort are NOT EQUAL!


What are you complaining about?

There are no 'rights' except as societal constructs.

There is no intrinsic right to life.
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Postby WWII History Geeks » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:10 pm

Iceland-Thule wrote:Good thing your mother didn't have an abortion. It should only be allowed if the mothers life is in danger.


Thank you. That's the right thing to do. Anyways, I feel sorry for you Quotation Marks. I know you're not trying to have a pity party or anything, but life must've been tough.

And really people, why aren't they considered people? And why do we protect Eagle eggs better than HUMANS?
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:11 pm

Quotation Marks wrote:How are they not people?


What's your definition of 'people'?

Is a cancer a person? Is a corpse still a person?
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Postby Hiddenrun » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:12 pm

City of Norfolk wrote:I applaud you for standing up for your beliefs. :clap:

Buh? By what? Deciding not to abort himself?
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:12 pm

WWII History Geeks wrote:
Iceland-Thule wrote:Good thing your mother didn't have an abortion. It should only be allowed if the mothers life is in danger.


Thank you. That's the right thing to do. Anyways, I feel sorry for you Quotation Marks. I know you're not trying to have a pity party or anything, but life must've been tough.

And really people, why aren't they considered people? And why do we protect Eagle eggs better than HUMANS?


Because there are like 12 eagles.

We're hardly on the brink of extinction.
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Postby Quotation Marks » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:12 pm

A human being that grows and supports itself, even in a miniscule way.

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Postby Vervaria » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:12 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
WWII History Geeks wrote:
Iceland-Thule wrote:Good thing your mother didn't have an abortion. It should only be allowed if the mothers life is in danger.


Thank you. That's the right thing to do. Anyways, I feel sorry for you Quotation Marks. I know you're not trying to have a pity party or anything, but life must've been tough.

And really people, why aren't they considered people? And why do we protect Eagle eggs better than HUMANS?


Because there are like 12 eagles.

We're hardly on the brink of extinction.

Bald Eagles have been doing much better in recent times actually, but that's beside the point.
A human being that grows and supports itself, even in a miniscule way.

Technically speaking, does it support itself until outside the mother's body?
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Postby Rhodmhire » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:13 pm

Normally I'd crack a rape joke, but this is kind of a sad situation for me to do so, so I won't.

Unless of course you're lying to try and make the NSG community feel pity for you in an attempt to shift their perspectives on the issue of abortion concerning rape victims, or abortion in general.

The latter of the two is growing more and more likely in my mind as I type this.

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Postby Rolling squid » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:13 pm

Quotation Marks wrote:How are they not people?


Because they are not alive. They cannot support themselves on their own, if removed from the womb, a fetus will cease to function even on the minimal level it was before removal. Abortion while the fetus needs the mother to survive is not murder any more than removing a tapeworm is. After a fetus is self sufficient is a more grey area, however I would still say that the right of the mother trumps the right of the infant.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:13 pm

Quotation Marks wrote:A human being that grows and supports itself, even in a miniscule way.


That's your idea of a definition? To use a similarly nebulous term?

Okay - then what constitutes 'a human being'?
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Postby WWII History Geeks » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:14 pm

Vervaria wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
WWII History Geeks wrote:
Iceland-Thule wrote:Good thing your mother didn't have an abortion. It should only be allowed if the mothers life is in danger.


Thank you. That's the right thing to do. Anyways, I feel sorry for you Quotation Marks. I know you're not trying to have a pity party or anything, but life must've been tough.

And really people, why aren't they considered people? And why do we protect Eagle eggs better than HUMANS?


Because there are like 12 eagles.

We're hardly on the brink of extinction.

Bald Eagles have been doing much better in recent times actually, but that's beside the point.


Aren't humans superior to a stupid bird anyways? I mean, of course I don't want them to go extinct, but we can think, create tools and inventions. I'd like to see an eagle surf the web.
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