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Postby Aleckandor » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:39 pm

Another Conclusion: KFC is still better. Chick-Fil-A's shit isn't worth anybody's time, even if their boss is a homophobe or not.
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Postby Galla- » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:26 pm

Aleckandor wrote:Another Conclusion: KFC is still better. Chick-Fil-A's shit isn't worth anybody's time, even if their boss is a homophobe or not.


Does Popeye's not exist outside the Bayou and the Midwest or something?
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Postby Zanzibarnia » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:49 pm

Galla- wrote:
Aleckandor wrote:Another Conclusion: KFC is still better. Chick-Fil-A's shit isn't worth anybody's time, even if their boss is a homophobe or not.


Does Popeye's not exist outside the Bayou and the Midwest or something?


Seriously, there's a third option here, people.

Popeye's. Fuck yeah.

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Postby Natapoc » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:53 pm

Chick-Fil-A is a christian company that has christian values? Really? I guess they have never read the bible... Or does he mean conservative republican values?
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Postby Menelmacar » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:31 pm

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Indeed! I do pop up now and again.

And yes, Popeyes is also win.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:38 pm

Galla- wrote:
Aleckandor wrote:Another Conclusion: KFC is still better. Chick-Fil-A's shit isn't worth anybody's time, even if their boss is a homophobe or not.


Does Popeye's not exist outside the Bayou and the Midwest or something?

Around here chicken joints can be used as indicators of what neighborhood you're in. Middle class neighborhood, KFC. Lower/working class neighborhood, Popeyes. Churches? Lock your doors.

El Pollo Loco you might exist in a place with more stores than houses. Though they have some tasty stuff.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:27 am

Why is this even a big deal to begin with?

Was anyone actually stupid enough to think that a company founded in the deep south that is closed on Sunday regarding Christian tradition will be pro Gay marriage?

Yeah the founder may be a homophobe but his heirs will be a little more open minded, considering the rumor that they force the kids to spend a year working as an actual regular employee before getting their cut I'm sure they're exposed to gay couples and will have a more neutral opinion on them.
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Postby R Ev0lution » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:30 am

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No, they're not, but it doesn't change the fact that I get to put my hard-earned money where I want to. If your restaurant doesn't respect LGBT rights, I'll find a fast-food place that does.

By the way, your bus driver was allowed to make you sit in the back of the bus back when the boycotts were going on. Which is why, you know, the boycotts happened in the first place.

And you still utterly missed my point -- I wasn't trying to show that the bigotry of Montgomery bus drivers in the 1950s is somehow identical or even analogous to what Chick-Fil-A is doing now. However, I was trying to show that your money does speak for you sometimes, which you would've realized if you had also read the previous post and made a few logical connections between what I was responding to and what I said.


No one is denying you the right to boycott, just curious what you think it will accomplish ?

They are respecting LGBT rights, they in the course their actions as a company do not discriminate. Chik-fil-a is not a chapel they do not marry people.

They do not discriminate against gay customers
They do not discriminate against gay employees, with the possible exception of not providing benefits to same sex couples but less be honest the employers who do not discriminate in that regard are in the minority right now.

So if your boycotting them you are boycotting them for having an opinion. What do you think that will accomplish ?
Bankrupt Chik-fil-a and leave a bunch of employees without jobs. The CEO will still have the same opinion and if anything might become more extreme.

When lunch counters and bus lines were boycotted they were boycotted for actions by the restaurants and the buslines, and to change action.

Boycotts are great for changing the actions of the targeted company, not for changing the opinion of the CEO. Changing opinions really must be reserved for civil discourse.

The fact that Chick-Fil-A doesn't openly discriminate against LGBT individuals doesn't actually mean anything to me. Sexual-orientation-based discrimination is illegal in 21 states. It's also illegal in Atlanta, where Chick-Fil-A's headquarters are. So... You know, the fact that they don't discriminate against LGBT communities means nothing to me, since they can't legally do it. For all I know, they would discriminate against LGBT customers and employees if they legally could.

Also, the CEO didn't say "I personally believe in traditional marriage" as a personal opinion. As a representative of Chick-Fil-A, he said that the company supports "the Biblical definition of the family unit." Meaning that, as an organization, Chick-Fil-A is opposed to same-sex marriage. Meaning that the company that is Chick-Fil-A, as a collective, opposes LGBT rights, even if some individual employees might not.

Meaning that, you know, one ostensible objective for a hypothetical boycott might be to just drive the entire company into the ground.
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:32 am

Zanzibarnia wrote:
Galla- wrote:
Does Popeye's not exist outside the Bayou and the Midwest or something?


Seriously, there's a third option here, people.

Popeye's. Fuck yeah.

We don't have Popeye's up here in the mountains, sadly enough.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:40 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Zanzibarnia wrote:
Seriously, there's a third option here, people.

Popeye's. Fuck yeah.

We don't have Popeye's up here in the mountains, sadly enough.

Damn, you might live your entire life not knowing that there is such a thing as a decent fast food biscuit.

You know, when I type it out it doesn't seem that tragic...
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Postby Imsogone » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:09 am

R Ev0lution wrote:
greed and death wrote:
No one is denying you the right to boycott, just curious what you think it will accomplish ?

They are respecting LGBT rights, they in the course their actions as a company do not discriminate. Chik-fil-a is not a chapel they do not marry people.

They do not discriminate against gay customers
They do not discriminate against gay employees, with the possible exception of not providing benefits to same sex couples but less be honest the employers who do not discriminate in that regard are in the minority right now.

So if your boycotting them you are boycotting them for having an opinion. What do you think that will accomplish ?
Bankrupt Chik-fil-a and leave a bunch of employees without jobs. The CEO will still have the same opinion and if anything might become more extreme.

When lunch counters and bus lines were boycotted they were boycotted for actions by the restaurants and the buslines, and to change action.

Boycotts are great for changing the actions of the targeted company, not for changing the opinion of the CEO. Changing opinions really must be reserved for civil discourse.

The fact that Chick-Fil-A doesn't openly discriminate against LGBT individuals doesn't actually mean anything to me. Sexual-orientation-based discrimination is illegal in 21 states. It's also illegal in Atlanta, where Chick-Fil-A's headquarters are. So... You know, the fact that they don't discriminate against LGBT communities means nothing to me, since they can't legally do it. For all I know, they would discriminate against LGBT customers and employees if they legally could.

Also, the CEO didn't say "I personally believe in traditional marriage" as a personal opinion. As a representative of Chick-Fil-A, he said that the company supports "the Biblical definition of the family unit." Meaning that, as an organization, Chick-Fil-A is opposed to same-sex marriage. Meaning that the company that is Chick-Fil-A, as a collective, opposes LGBT rights, even if some individual employees might not.

Meaning that, you know, one ostensible objective for a hypothetical boycott might be to just drive the entire company into the ground.


And it's abundantly clear that the Chick-Fil-A CEO does not begin to understand the Biblical definition of marriage - polygamy, forced marriages, no need for consent on the part of the woman - all good Christian definitions of marriage.
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Postby Herskerstad » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:17 am

See plenty of corporations going behind gay marriage. Don't mind other corporations picking the other side. They can do what they want, market-wise, it's a bad idea, but that goes for all who enter said arena with commercial products.
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