Stance on Abortion?

[Mavorpen]

But the only way to protect against those things is to not have sex. It just sounds like they are giving out misinformation.

Attempts to impose narrow moralistic views about sex and sexuality on young people through sex education have failed.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04 ... education/

This is the lowest national rate for teen births since the Centers for Disease Control began tracking it in 1940, and CDC officials attributed the decline to pregnancy prevention efforts . Other reports show that teenagers are having less sex and using contraception more often. Studies have backed this up. Researchers at the University of Washington in Seattle found that teenagers who received some type of comprehensive sex education were 60 percent less likely to get pregnant or get someone else pregnant. And in 2007, a federal report showed that abstinence-only programs had “no impacts on rates of sexual abstinence.”
But 37 states require sex education that includes abstinence, 26 of which require that abstinence be stressed as the best method. Additionally, research shows that abstinence-only strategies could deter contraceptive use among teenagers, thus increasing their risk of unintended pregnancy.

You're full of shit.

[Ifreann]

What a pointless generalisation.

Hey, they've got a point xD

No, he doesn't.

[Raeyh]

You're full of shit.

Correlation does not imply causation.

[Mavorpen]

You're full of shit.

Correlation does not imply causation.

You're still full of shit.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0024658

Using the most recent national data (2005) from all U.S. states with information on sex education laws or policies (N = 48), we show that increasing emphasis on abstinence education is positively correlated with teenage pregnancy and birth rates. This trend remains significant after accounting for socioeconomic status, teen educational attainment, ethnic composition of the teen population, and availability of Medicaid waivers for family planning services in each state. These data show clearly that abstinence-only education as a state policy is ineffective in preventing teenage pregnancy and may actually be contributing to the high teenage pregnancy rates in the U.S.

[Natair]

Hey, they've got a point xD

No, he doesn't.

How often do you see a group of 1000+ teenagers in one place?
Every day, except on weekends >.>

[Raeyh]

Correlation does not imply causation.

You're still full of shit.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0024658

Using the most recent national data (2005) from all U.S. states with information on sex education laws or policies (N = 48), we show that increasing emphasis on abstinence education is positively correlated with teenage pregnancy and birth rates. This trend remains significant after accounting for socioeconomic status, teen educational attainment, ethnic composition of the teen population, and availability of Medicaid waivers for family planning services in each state. These data show clearly that abstinence-only education as a state policy is ineffective in preventing teenage pregnancy and may actually be contributing to the high teenage pregnancy rates in the U.S.

It didn't go up, it started out as high: "The United States ranks first among developed nations in rates of both teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. In an effort to reduce these rates,"

So we just need to rework abstinence education so that it reaches young people, not just give up on it and teach hedonism.

[Natair]

You're still full of shit.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0024658

It didn't go up, it started out as high: "The United States ranks first among developed nations in rates of both teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. In an effort to reduce these rates,"

So we just need to rework abstinence education so that it reaches young people, not just give up on it and teach hedonism.

OBJECTION!

[Norstal]

It didn't go up, it started out as high: "The United States ranks first among developed nations in rates of both teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. In an effort to reduce these rates,"

So we just need to rework abstinence education so that it reaches young people, not just give up on it and teach hedonism.

OBJECTION!

What is it about people trying things that didn't work in the past.

[Mavorpen]

It didn't go up, it started out as high: "The United States ranks first among developed nations in rates of both teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. In an effort to reduce these rates,"

No shit. Hence why my other source said that teenage pregnancies is decreasing. However, among the states with abstinence only education, there is a positive correlation with teenage pregnancies.

So we just need to rework abstinence education so that it reaches young people, not just give up on it and teach hedonism.

No we don't. It has failed. Deal with it.

[Tyler Schrakamp]

Its a human(the fetus),so its still in the section of murder.

This. Killing a human is wrong. Women try to get away with it by saying its not human, or saying that if its legal its not murder. Its murder plain and simple, not to mention immoral.

Exactly.

[Raeyh]

It didn't go up, it started out as high: "The United States ranks first among developed nations in rates of both teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. In an effort to reduce these rates,"

No shit. Hence why my other source said that teenage pregnancies is decreasing. However, among the states with abstinence only education, there is a positive correlation with teenage pregnancies.

So we just need to rework abstinence education so that it reaches young people, not just give up on it and teach hedonism.

No we don't. It has failed. Deal with it.

What about adults who didn't become pregnant as teenagers? Are they more responsible in abstinence-only education areas? I would imagine they wouldn't be relying on worthless contraceptive methods.

[Ifreann]

No, he doesn't.

How often do you see a group of 1000+ teenagers in one place?
Every day, except on weekends >.>

And you've recorded the facial expressions of those teenagers every single one of those days? Bollocks have you.

[Mavorpen]

What about adults who didn't become pregnant as teenagers? Are they more responsible in abstinence-only education areas? I would imagine they wouldn't be relying on worthless contraceptive methods.

Stop moving the goal posts. And you're now making a claim. Provide a source. Otherwise enough with this fantasy that abstinence education works. It does not.

[Norstal]

No shit. Hence why my other source said that teenage pregnancies is decreasing. However, among the states with abstinence only education, there is a positive correlation with teenage pregnancies.


No we don't. It has failed. Deal with it.

What about adults who didn't become pregnant as teenagers? Are they more responsible in abstinence-only education areas? I would imagine they wouldn't be relying on worthless contraceptive methods.

Hey I just met you
And this is crazy
But abstinence fail
So condom maybe

[Raeyh]

What about adults who didn't become pregnant as teenagers? Are they more responsible in abstinence-only education areas? I would imagine they wouldn't be relying on worthless contraceptive methods.

Stop moving the goal posts. And you're now making a claim. Provide a source. Otherwise enough with this fantasy that abstinence education works. It does not.

If it doesn't work, we need to make it work.

If methods other than abstinence are effective, they wouldn't need to turn to abortion. If teaching people to be responsible results in more teenage pregnancy, it's worth the cost.

[Northern Dominus]

No shit. Hence why my other source said that teenage pregnancies is decreasing. However, among the states with abstinence only education, there is a positive correlation with teenage pregnancies.


No we don't. It has failed. Deal with it.

What about adults who didn't become pregnant as teenagers? Are they more responsible in abstinence-only education areas? I would imagine they wouldn't be relying on worthless contraceptive methods.

Worthless contraception methods....such as "just the tip" or "try and catch the cycle just right?"

Because condoms are pretty damned effective.

[Norstal]

What about adults who didn't become pregnant as teenagers? Are they more responsible in abstinence-only education areas? I would imagine they wouldn't be relying on worthless contraceptive methods.

Worthless contraception methods....such as "just the tip" or "try and catch the cycle just right?"

Because condoms are pretty damned effective.

To be fair, Raeyh never had sex before. Maybe he thinks that condoms are just glorified balloons.

[Northern Dominus]

Worthless contraception methods....such as "just the tip" or "try and catch the cycle just right?"

Because condoms are pretty damned effective.

To be fair, Raeyh never had sex before. Maybe he thinks that condoms are just glorified balloons.

Well to be fair I'll admit condoms are pretty damn hilarious wen inflated and taped to somebodies car...

[Novraslavia]

I'm pro-choice, but to call a fetus a parasite or a slaver is a bit much. I believe it's the woman's choice on what to do with her body, but if a man is involved he should have some say in the matter as well. It's wholly dependent on the situation, but no "god" has the right to tell a women, or man, what they can or cannot do.

[Raeyh]

What about adults who didn't become pregnant as teenagers? Are they more responsible in abstinence-only education areas? I would imagine they wouldn't be relying on worthless contraceptive methods.

Worthless contraception methods....such as "just the tip" or "try and catch the cycle just right?"

Because condoms are pretty damned effective.

There effective enough to give people a false sense of security, but not effective enough to actually be relied on.

[Manahakatouki]

Worthless contraception methods....such as "just the tip" or "try and catch the cycle just right?"

Because condoms are pretty damned effective.

To be fair, Raeyh never had sex before. Maybe he thinks that condoms are just glorified balloons.

They're still glorified balloons in my opinion...

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I'm Pro-Choice at the moment (If the name still means the same thing since I last checked...)...

[New Heathera]

To all pro-lifers- Have you even considered anything beyond birth? Do you care at all what happens to a child after birth, or do you just want to see it born, regardless of what evironment it's born into, and what conditions it's born with?

[Kohlastan]

I used to tthink abstance education was a waste of time until my conservative HS intduced graphic std pictures and overdone symptoms of strew. Oh the horrible pictures. It worked though, it got me to look at abstaining a little more seriously.

[Northern Dominus]

To be fair, Raeyh never had sex before. Maybe he thinks that condoms are just glorified balloons.

They're still glorified balloons in my opinion...

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I'm Pro-Choice at the moment (If the name still means the same thing since I last checked...)...

Except they're not... for one balloons and condoms use different chemical formulas.

Worthless contraception methods....such as "just the tip" or "try and catch the cycle just right?"

Because condoms are pretty damned effective.

There effective enough to give people a false sense of security, but not effective enough to actually be relied on.

Hence why there's this thing called the morning after pill in case the condom breaks. If that happens and a couple doesn't get the morning after pill within the time restriction then they're idiots.

[Raeyh]

To all pro-lifers- Have you even consideredanything beyod birth? Do you care at all what happens to a child after birth, or do you just want to see it born, regardless of what evironment it's born into, and what conditions it's born with?

We are talking about first world countries, right? Your life is going to be pretty cozy no matter what if that's the case.