Stance on Abortion?

[Raeyh]

Abstinence programs have failed but that doesn't mean abstinence has failed. It's just a hard idea to sell.

Well, the best chance you have for making abortions non-existent is to get people to stop fucking.

Exactly.

We just have to try harder with abstinence education.

[Samuraikoku]

Abstinence programs have failed but that doesn't mean abstinence has failed. It's just a hard idea to sell.

So make an idea that people can buy. Namely, contraception.

[Mavorpen]

Reading goes a long way.

I already said I'm done arguing with you, dear. Reading goes a long way.

I'm not arguing with you. I'm making sure you don't create anymore straw men.

[Bokcha]

Abstinence is foolproof. People are just too swayed by their impulse to actually do it.

I feel like you argued against abstinence for me.

So people should be able to do whatever they feel an impulse to do without consequence. Gotcha. I'm gonna close this window before I go nuts at the amount of hedonism in here. See ya.

[Samuraikoku]

I feel like you argued against abstinence for me.

So people should be able to do whatever they feel an impulse to do without consequence. Gotcha. I'm gonna close this window before I go nuts at the amount of hedonism in here. See ya.

Hedonism? What are we, Dark Eldar? Emperor's Children?

I take offense at that part, as an Ultramarine. *nods*

[Not a pipe]

I eat babies.

If you are raped, yes abortion. If you are the woman and you eat babies, then eat it before they are born if you want. If abortion is self-applied in private, also yes abortion. Otherwise, no abortion.

[Raeyh]

So people should be able to do whatever they feel an impulse to do without consequence. Gotcha. I'm gonna close this window before I go nuts at the amount of hedonism in here. See ya.

Hedonism? What are we, Dark Eldar? Emperor's Children?

I take offense at that part, as an Ultramarine. *nods*

I was going to go with followers of Bacchus.

[Natair]

Well, the best chance you have for making abortions non-existent is to get people to stop fucking.

Exactly.

We just have to try harder with abstinence education.

I'm 16, just had to deal with that shit. It is WORTHLESS. I KNOW, you can get STDs. I KNOW you can have kids. I KNOW that's miserable. I am just mutually hated in my school and therefore will be forever single. But stop boring me to death with shit I DON'T CARE ABOUT! You're just inspiring people to do it, because they're told it's a bad thing, and I know as a teenager that most teenagers (except for those abnormal people who are obsessed with doing god... those people scare the shit out of me...) LOVE breaking rules and doing things adults claim are 'bad'. So just DON'T BRING IT UP, and WE WON'T EITHER!

This applies to a lot of things.

If that was sarcasm forgive this small rant.

[Williamson]

It should be illegal unless it threatens the life of the mother or is a result of rape. People calling unborn children "parasites" and claiming a mother has the right to kill their offspring in the name of "women's rights" is not only abominable but a gross misunderstanding of the terms involved. You can try to justify the hedonistic and savage reasons the majority of people get abortions by shouting such phrases, but anyone with any sort of moral compass will not be fooled.

tl;dr:
Rape: Yes
Life-Threatening: Yes
Anything Else: No

Edit: I'm an atheist, by the way, so my view is not the result of religious influence. I am also not a republican. So don't play either of those cards on me, please.

I agree with the fact the abortion is only okay if you was raped our its life Threatening, but the problem is that if they want a abortion there a chance they will just say the was raped and the police will have to investgate it and it will waste the police time if they wasn' even raped

[Ifreann]

I feel like you argued against abstinence for me.

So people should be able to do whatever they feel an impulse to do without consequence. Gotcha. I'm gonna close this window before I go nuts at the amount of hedonism in here. See ya.

How much of human progress has been about dodging consequences? The entire field of medicine is about escaping the consequences of being sick or injured. We live in sturdy building to escape the consequences of exposure to the elements. We have manufacturing and production industries so we can escape the consequences of not being able to make the things we want with our own two hands. You've spent this entire thread escaping the consequences of living hundreds of miles away from the people you've been talking to.

[Raeyh]

So just DON'T BRING IT UP, and WE WON'T EITHER!

So your solution is no education?

I agree, it's boring, but what are you going to do? It makes a positive impression on some people.

[Not a pipe]

I am abstinence by choice.

[Northern Dominus]

I am abstinence by choice.

Good, that means I have more options when it comes to non-committal partners in pursuits of carnal lust. Safely of course, condoms are wonderful things after all.

[Natair]

So just DON'T BRING IT UP, and WE WON'T EITHER!

So your solution is no education?

I agree, it's boring, but what are you going to do? It makes a positive impression on some people.

I call...



wait for it...



BULLSHIT! I've gone through it three times in three states, and each time, nobody cared.

[Ifreann]

I am abstinence by choice.

If you practice abstinence then you are abstinent.

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Exactly.

We just have to try harder with abstinence education.

I'm 16, just had to deal with that shit. It is WORTHLESS. I KNOW, you can get STDs. I KNOW you can have kids. I KNOW that's miserable. I am just mutually hated in my school and therefore will be forever single. But stop boring me to death with shit I DON'T CARE ABOUT! You're just inspiring people to do it, because they're told it's a bad thing, and I know as a teenager that most teenagers (except for those abnormal people who are obsessed with doing god... those people scare the shit out of me...) LOVE breaking rules and doing things adults claim are 'bad'. So just DON'T BRING IT UP, and WE WON'T EITHER!

No. It is very important that people understand sex. That you find it boring or don't think you're going to get laid any time soon is irrelevant.

[Raeyh]

I am abstinence by choice.

Good, that means I have more options when it comes to non-committal partners in pursuits of carnal lust. Safely of course, condoms are wonderful things after all.

The thing abstinence refers to is sex, not commitment.

BULLSHIT! I've gone through it three times in three states, and each time, nobody cared.

It's impossible to tell if a teenager cares or not. They look like they are bored with everything no matter what.

[Mavorpen]

So just DON'T BRING IT UP, and WE WON'T EITHER!

So your solution is no education?

I agree, it's boring, but what are you going to do? It makes a positive impression on some people.

How about this.

“Attempts to impose narrow moralistic views about sex and sexuality on young people through sex education have failed.”

It's in bold letters for you.

[Northern Dominus]

Good, that means I have more options when it comes to non-committal partners in pursuits of carnal lust. Safely of course, condoms are wonderful things after all.

The thing abstinence refers to is sex, not commitment.

And your point being what exactly?

[Ifreann]

BULLSHIT! I've gone through it three times in three states, and each time, nobody cared.

It's impossible to tell if a teenager cares or not. They look like they are bored with everything no matter what.

What a pointless generalisation.

[Williamson]

It's impossible to tell if a teenager cares or not. They look like they are bored with everything no matter what.

What a pointless generalisation.

Whatver there always pointless generalisation on Nationstates it part of the game.

[Raeyh]

How about this.

"Sex education that works, by which we mean that it is effective, is sex education that contributes to both these aims thus helping young people to be safe and enjoy their sexuality."

Enjoy their sexuality? What kind of nonsense is this? Are you teaching the dangers of sex or are you just letting them do whatever they want?

The thing abstinence refers to is sex, not commitment.

And your point being what exactly?

You won't be able to have sex with him, so that comment made no sense.

[Natair]

It's impossible to tell if a teenager cares or not. They look like they are bored with everything no matter what.

What a pointless generalisation.

Hey, they've got a point xD
Though I look more pissed-at-the-world, but who cares.

As for the article or whatever it was, I see nothing different from what I've had to deal with.

[Milks Empire]

How about this.

"Sex education that works, by which we mean that it is effective, is sex education that contributes to both these aims thus helping young people to be safe and enjoy their sexuality."
Enjoy their sexuality? What kind of nonsense is this? Are you teaching the dangers of sex or are you just letting them do whatever they want?

To borrow phrasing from a famous scene from Pulp Fiction...
English, motherfucker! Can you read it?!

[Mavorpen]

"Sex education that works, by which we mean that it is effective, is sex education that contributes to both these aims thus helping young people to be safe and enjoy their sexuality."

Enjoy their sexuality? What kind of nonsense is this? Are you teaching the dangers of sex or are you just letting them do whatever they want?

Considering it says...

It is widely accepted that young people have a right to sex education. This is because it is a means by which they are helped to protect themselves against abuse, exploitation, unintended pregnancies, sexually transmitted diseases and HIV and AIDS.

You're whining over nothing.

[Raeyh]

"Sex education that works, by which we mean that it is effective, is sex education that contributes to both these aims thus helping young people to be safe and enjoy their sexuality."

Enjoy their sexuality? What kind of nonsense is this? Are you teaching the dangers of sex or are you just letting them do whatever they want?

Considering it says...

It is widely accepted that young people have a right to sex education. This is because it is a means by which they are helped to protect themselves against abuse, exploitation, unintended pregnancies, sexually transmitted diseases and HIV and AIDS.

You're whining over nothing.

But the only way to protect against those things is to not have sex. It just sounds like they are giving out misinformation.