Stance on Abortion?

[Altorum]

I'm done with this. It's clear neither party is going to change the other's mind.

Indeed. One side uses worthless emotional arguments, the other uses facts. You're on the emotional side, in case you didn't now.

*know.

And I agree with you. What it all comes down to is that it's the woman's body and she has the right to do what she wants.
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[Ifreann]

Considering that one of the hot topic amongst religious and political folk is the idea of abortion, what does the NationStates community think about it? Are you Pro-Choice or Pro-Life? Also, why?

For myself, I'm very Pro-Choice. Women who are raped would almost always want to get rid of the child. For obvious reasons. But not just that. If a woman can't financially support the child for example. Rather than bring a child into this world who will spend all his/her time starving or living miserably with his/her parents also living miserably, why not alleviate the problem from happening in the first place? Same with really severe mental defects like if the child is born with an incurable disease or mental defect that keeps them from performing basic human functions.

Congrats you are the 100th person to make a thread about this!

Oh there's been far more than 100.

[The Darwinian People]

I am fairly sure that all of crimes would cease to be crime if we refuse to count emotionality when discussing them.

Not at all.

Assault (that is, causing someone to fear immediate bodily harm).

[Farnhamia]

In reality, however, you consented neither to be rammed by a vehicle nor to be pregnant. Such consent is separate from consenting to the act of driving or fucking.

If you turn the key, you consent to burn gasoline.

Abortion is like trying to stop the gasoline from being burned after you start driving.

A car accident is not something that is expected to happen, while pregnancy is the expected result of sex.

Terrible analogies. And there are precautions one can take to prevent pregnancy. Sometimes those fail. If such a thing happens, I reserve the right to decide what to do about it. Not you. Not what's-his-face, the other guy. Me and my partner and my family. None of your business.

[Monlyth]

In reality, however, you consented neither to be rammed by a vehicle nor to be pregnant. Such consent is separate from consenting to the act of driving or fucking.

If you turn the key, you consent to burn gasoline.

Abortion is like trying to stop the gasoline from being burned after you start driving.

A car accident is not something that is expected to happen, while pregnancy is the expected result of sex.

If it happens more often than naught, shouldn't it be expected?

[Ifreann]

In reality, however, you consented neither to be rammed by a vehicle nor to be pregnant. Such consent is separate from consenting to the act of driving or fucking.

If you turn the key, you consent to burn gasoline.

Abortion is like trying to stop the gasoline from being burned after you start driving.

You pull over, stop the car, and turn the key the other way. You don't have to continue driving for nine months every time you turn the ignition.

[Altorum]

Not at all.

Assault (that is, causing someone to fear immediate bodily harm).

No, assault is when somebody physically... you know, assaults someone. Fear doesn't factor into it.

[Mavorpen]

A car accident is not something that is expected to happen, while pregnancy is the expected result of sex.

Uh? I seem to recall you saying that you've never had sex. If you did, you would know that it's not really expected at all unless you plan ahead that you are going to become pregnant.

[The Darwinian People]

I am fairly sure that all of crimes would cease to be crime if we refuse to count emotionality when discussing them.

I disagree. The total absence of emotion is necessary to decide if a crime truly happened, and then again to ensure fair justice is applied.

Fair justice? Why would we want that? If we're discounting emotions then surely the law is the law; we should take no account for changes in circumstances (mitigating or aggravating), changes in morality or technological development.

[Ifreann]

If you turn the key, you consent to burn gasoline.

Abortion is like trying to stop the gasoline from being burned after you start driving.

A car accident is not something that is expected to happen, while pregnancy is the expected result of sex.

Terrible analogies. And there are precautions one can take to prevent pregnancy. Sometimes those fail. If such a thing happens, I reserve the right to decide what to do about it. Not you. Not what's-his-face, the other guy. Me and my partner and my family. None of your business.

And your partner and your family only get a say because you care what they think.

[Farnhamia]

Terrible analogies. And there are precautions one can take to prevent pregnancy. Sometimes those fail. If such a thing happens, I reserve the right to decide what to do about it. Not you. Not what's-his-face, the other guy. Me and my partner and my family. None of your business.

And your partner and your family only get a say because you care what they think.

True.

[Mavorpen]

Assault (that is, causing someone to fear immediate bodily harm).

No, assault is when somebody physically... you know, assaults someone. Fear doesn't factor into it.

Actually, physical contact is battery.

[Ifreann]

Assault (that is, causing someone to fear immediate bodily harm).

No, assault is when somebody physically... you know, assaults someone. Fear doesn't factor into it.

In some jurisdictions, assault refers to threatening someone or otherwise putting them in fear for their safety, and battery refers to actually physically attacking them.

[The Darwinian People]

Assault (that is, causing someone to fear immediate bodily harm).

No, assault is when somebody physically... you know, assaults someone. Fear doesn't factor into it.

No. That is the common definition. Not the legal one. Assault

[Desperate Measures]

No, assault is when somebody physically... you know, assaults someone. Fear doesn't factor into it.

No. That is the common definition. Not the legal one. Assault

Is the fetus fearful of getting aborted? I missed the entire reason why this assault point is brought up. I tried to get it but I don't.

[Ifreann]

No. That is the common definition. Not the legal one. Assault

Is the fetus fearful of getting aborted? I missed the entire reason why this assault point is brought up. I tried to get it but I don't.

I think it's something to do with emotions having a bearing on the law or something something dark side.

[Hamste]

No. That is the common definition. Not the legal one. Assault

Is the fetus fearful of getting aborted? I missed the entire reason why this assault point is brought up. I tried to get it but I don't.

It was brought because of emotions or something or other, kind of got lost also

[Altorum]

My bad, got the two mixed up. Still, it's not the fear; it's the threat itself.

[The Darwinian People]

No. That is the common definition. Not the legal one. Assault

Is the fetus fearful of getting aborted? I missed the entire reason why this assault point is brought up. I tried to get it but I don't.

I am talking about emotionality in law and that we should take emotions into consideration when we are talking about the law and morality.

[Mavorpen]

I am talking about emotionality in law and that we should take emotions into consideration when we are talking about the law and morality.

Who said we shouldn't take emotion into consideration?

[The Darwinian People]

My bad, got the two mixed up. Still, it's not the fear; it's the threat itself.

And why is the threat criminal? Because it causes people emotional distress.

[The Darwinian People]

I am talking about emotionality in law and that we should take emotions into consideration when we are talking about the law and morality.

Who said we shouldn't take emotion into consideration?

I am fairly sure that all of crimes would cease to be crime if we refuse to count emotionality when discussing them.

I disagree. The total absence of emotion is necessary to decide if a crime truly happened, and then again to ensure fair justice is applied.

[Hamste]

Is the fetus fearful of getting aborted? I missed the entire reason why this assault point is brought up. I tried to get it but I don't.

I am talking about emotionality in law and that we should take emotions into consideration when we are talking about the law and morality.

So if 67% of the population says abortion is ok and find it morally ok then abortion should be legal

[Mavorpen]

Who said we shouldn't take emotion into consideration?

I disagree. The total absence of emotion is necessary to decide if a crime truly happened, and then again to ensure fair justice is applied.

He said get rid of emotion when trying to solve a crime, not when creating laws themselves, which is what you were saying.

[Bokcha]

I am talking about emotionality in law and that we should take emotions into consideration when we are talking about the law and morality.

So if 67% of the population says abortion is ok and find it morally ok then abortion should be legal

Welcome to democracy.