Stance on Abortion?

[Nordengrund]

Women's body belongs to women!

Yes, but the fetus is also the baby's body.

[Seperates]

Meh... I know there is no such thing as personal liberty, but believe it's probably best to pretend there is for the sake of decency.

Regulated by the law, human construct, social contract. I know.

Gotta love Hobbes in that aspect...

[Mavorpen]

Women's body belongs to women!

Yes, but the fetus is also the baby's body.

And it is in the mother's body...using the mother's resources...making the mother have symptoms one would have as though they have been invaded by a bacterium or a virus.

[Des-Bal]

Yes, but the fetus is also the baby's body.

No it's not because it's not a baby. The human cells in your body aren't individual humans.

[Saint Alexander]

I'm pro-choice and here's why:

One has no right to say what a person does with their body. Aside from that, a wide variety of other circumstances surround abortions. One great example, as presented earlier in this thread, is that if a mother is in danger of dying because of the baby, then the abortion should happen in order to save her life. It's not murder, it's saving one person's life at the expense of another. Otherwise; we lose two people instead of gaining/saving anything. Besides; there are 7 billion people in this mad world, I'm sure we could afford to lose a rather small percentage to abortion.

That, and wouldn't the world be a better place if it were filled with wanted children? There are unwanted children that are abused and tortured simply because they were not wanted and the mothers were forced to have them thanks to those damn restrictions. You wonder why crime rates are so high; it's because some dumb-ass politician says you can't have a choice and then the police, the mixed blessings that they are, have to enforce those idiotic and non-progressive laws.

You foolish "pro-life" people get your life at the expense of the freedom that all people in the world seem to desire. Think carefully; would you rather live and let live, knowing it's another persons concern and not your own or would you rather be remembered as those few oppressive jerks who can't keep their big noses out of other people's lives?

Personally, I'll take the former any day.

[Individualist Constructivism]

Women's body belongs to women!

Yes, but the fetus is also the baby's body.

The fetus is a grouping of cells formed by physical support of the mother's own body, and 'is' the mother's own body.

I might agree with your 'fetus bodily rights' approach in regards to a situation wherein the fetus was meant to live, but abortion is not one of those scenarios.

[Nordengrund]

Yes, but the fetus is also the baby's body.

No it's not because it's not a baby. The human cells in your body aren't individual humans.

It is a living thing. (If you want proof, read my posts a few pages back about the cells), even if it is not a baby, it still owns its own body.

[Katganistan]

Except it's not unlawful to kill cancerous cells. Nor is it, via Roe vs. Wade, abortion.

Nope, but is illegal to kill anything with a soul, and humans have souls.

Where in the law does it refer to souls? I'll wait.

[Mavorpen]

No it's not because it's not a baby. The human cells in your body aren't individual humans.

It is a living thing. (If you want proof, read my posts a few pages back about the cells), even if it is not a baby, it still owns its own body.

...Who cares? You don't have the right to force a woman to allow you to enter her. Why does a fetus get a right that no fully developed person has?

[Katganistan]

Because I'm alive, and I have a computer, Internet access, two hands, and knowledge of the English language.

If you are a live it's because you have a soul if wasn't that you will be dead .

Do plants have souls? do animals?

[BushSucks-istan]

The only reason abortion is banned is because of religion and nothing else. Just like euthanasia. We need to wake up and realize that every human has the right to decide his/her own fate.

And btw scratching your nose kills more living cells than an abortion, just saying...

[Katganistan]

Because death and NOT DEATH are the same.

I would rather be dead than have syphilis, herpes or whatever.

Ok then.
That's your wish. Not everyone wishes they were dead.

[Kemaliste]

Women's body belongs to women!

Yes, but the fetus is also the baby's body.

Fetus is not a living body up until 20 weeks or something (not a scientist so idk).

[Des-Bal]

It is a living thing. (If you want proof, read my posts a few pages back about the cells), even if it is not a baby, it still owns its own body.

Your skin cells are alive too. That means they own their own body and if you ever itch at a mosquito bite you should be jailed for mass murder.

[Samuraikoku]

Regulated by the law, human construct, social contract. I know.

Gotta love Hobbes in that aspect...

I'm more of a Locke follower.

[Saint Alexander]

It is a living thing. (If you want proof, read my posts a few pages back about the cells), even if it is not a baby, it still owns its own body.

Your skin cells are alive too. That means they own their own body and if you ever itch at a mosquito bite you should be jailed for mass murder.

An excellent point, sir/madam ^^

[Samuraikoku]

.....Are you for real?

Are you looking for someone to refute?

I'm pro-choice until the point of birth, if that helps whatever view you have of my previous post, which was, as a hint, satirical.

I figured it out, no worries.

The Emperor protects.

[Mavorpen]

Are you looking for someone to refute?

I'm pro-choice until the point of birth, if that helps whatever view you have of my previous post, which was, as a hint, satirical.

I figured it out, no worries.

The Emperor protects.

Make sure the Emperor also uses protection.

[Katganistan]

Yeah, and us religious folk and pro- life people do not get as much representation in the government, so should they not be taxed?

[Individualist Constructivism]

Are you looking for someone to refute?

I'm pro-choice until the point of birth, if that helps whatever view you have of my previous post, which was, as a hint, satirical.

I figured it out, no worries.

The Emperor protects.

And perhaps my post only speaks of a guilty conscience, just as great a sin as assumption.

Such a pity, sin is.

[Des-Bal]

Yeah, and us religious folk and pro- life people do not get as much representation in the government, so should they not be taxed?

There's one Atheist in congress.

[Nordengrund]

I am willing to die gruesomely to save the lives of the unborn rather than living and have them lose their right to live.

[Saint Alexander]

I am willing to die gruesomely to save the lives of the unborn rather than living and have them lose their right to live.

Then you are a fool -_-; A devoted fool, I'll give you that, but a fool, nevertheless.

[Des-Bal]

I am willing to die gruesomely to save the lives of the unborn rather than living and have them lose their right to live.

"I believe this very strongly" isn't an argument.

[Signob]

Of course Not .

When the women is having a Sex relationship should take protections to avoid get pregnant .

So if they don't take protection it was is fault and she should carry the baby since the kid doesn't deserve to be aborted .

Of course, that's why it is the woman's problem for getting pregnant after getting raped.