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Stance on Abortion

Pro-Choice (For Abortion)
503
65%
Pro-Life (Against Abortion)
203
26%
Neither/Other (Explain Below)
69
9%
 
Total votes : 775

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Postby Individualist Constructivism » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:16 pm

And also, why is 'pro-choice' marked as 'for abortion'? I highly doubt any of us admire and approve of the conditions that would cause a mother to seek an Abortion.
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Postby Idealismania » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:17 pm

lol yeah debating abortion on NS is pretty useless; no matter what is said, another thread on it will pop up soon enough and the current thread will be added to the mountain that is old abortion threads. Seems like it's just easier to say what side I'm on and not debate why anymore since I've already done it abut 30 times before.

Pro-life.

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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:17 pm

Individualist Constructivism wrote:And also, why is 'pro-choice' marked as 'for abortion'? I highly doubt any of us admire and approve of the conditions that would cause a mother to seek an Abortion.


Because if it was marked as "oranges, oranges, fresh fresh fresh!" nobody would understand what it meant.
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Postby Allbeama » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:17 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Hamste wrote:
That issues the question if a thing doesn't think and has never thought is it still inmoral to kill it?

If that "Thing" is human than its still murder, wanna know why murder is bad?
God Wrote

Thou Shalt Not Kill


Lol so you must be opposed to war and the death penalty as well, amirite?
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Postby Allbeama » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:18 pm

Allbeama wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:If that "Thing" is human than its still murder, wanna know why murder is bad?


Lol so you must be opposed to war and the death penalty as well, amirite? And eating animals?
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:18 pm

Idealismania wrote:lol yeah debating abortion on NS is pretty useless; no matter what is said, another thread on it will pop up soon enough and the current thread will be added to the mountain that is old abortion threads. Seems like it's just easier to say what side I'm on and not debate why anymore since I've already done it abut 30 times before.

Pro-life.

Or you could just ignore it rather than put it permanently in "your posts"
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Postby Katganistan » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:19 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Sailsia wrote:Can you sue someone for so egregious a misunderstanding of a ruling?

No, I checked. My History Professor told us continental drift was caused by hurricanes. My College History Professor.

Perhaps you should instead have asked your geology teacher, who would have then explained plate tectonics.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:19 pm

Individualist Constructivism wrote:And also, why is 'pro-choice' marked as 'for abortion'? I highly doubt any of us admire and approve of the conditions that would cause a mother to seek an Abortion.

Because we are not 'pro-abortion' we are for a women's right to choose, because we believe in personal liberty.
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Postby Individualist Constructivism » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:20 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Individualist Constructivism wrote:And also, why is 'pro-choice' marked as 'for abortion'? I highly doubt any of us admire and approve of the conditions that would cause a mother to seek an Abortion.

Because we are not 'pro-abortion' we are for a women's right to choose, because we believe in personal liberty.

My point precisely. It's the wrong attitude.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:20 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Individualist Constructivism wrote:And also, why is 'pro-choice' marked as 'for abortion'? I highly doubt any of us admire and approve of the conditions that would cause a mother to seek an Abortion.

Because we are not 'pro-abortion' we are for a women's right to choose, because we believe in personal liberty.


Remember Comrade, I'm a communist from now on that my god Lenin told me to be an atheist. Therefore, no personal liberty.

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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:20 pm

Katganistan wrote:Perhaps you should instead have asked your geology teacher, who would have then explained plate tectonics.


He was explaining the formation of the American Continent and how people got here in the first place as the book required.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:21 pm

Individualist Constructivism wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Because we are not 'pro-abortion' we are for a women's right to choose, because we believe in personal liberty.

My point precisely. It's the wrong attitude.

How?
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Postby Individualist Constructivism » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:21 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Because we are not 'pro-abortion' we are for a women's right to choose, because we believe in personal liberty.


Remember Comrade, I'm a communist from now on that my god Lenin told me to be an atheist. Therefore, no personal liberty.

If the government decides that women's rights aren't its business, obviously the next result is death panels.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:22 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:No, I checked. My History Professor told us continental drift was caused by hurricanes. My College History Professor.

Perhaps you should instead have asked your geology teacher, who would have then explained plate tectonics.

And then walked down the hall and slapped the history professor.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:22 pm

Individualist Constructivism wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Remember Comrade, I'm a communist from now on that my god Lenin told me to be an atheist. Therefore, no personal liberty.

If the government decides that women's rights aren't its business, obviously the next result is death panels.

.....Are you for real?
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:22 pm

Individualist Constructivism wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Remember Comrade, I'm a communist from now on that my god Lenin told me to be an atheist. Therefore, no personal liberty.

If the government decides that women's rights aren't its business, obviously the next result is death panels.


To the gulag with you. *nods*

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Postby Dempublicents1 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:22 pm

Christian area wrote:I'm pro-life because I think the unborn should have a right to live


And that right should extend to using another person's body against her will in order to continue living?

Would you extend this right to born human persons as well?
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:23 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Individualist Constructivism wrote:If the government decides that women's rights aren't its business, obviously the next result is death panels.

.....Are you for real?


I'm taking not.

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Postby Seperates » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:23 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Because we are not 'pro-abortion' we are for a women's right to choose, because we believe in personal liberty.


Remember Comrade, I'm a communist from now on that my god Lenin told me to be an atheist. Therefore, no personal liberty.

Meh... I know there is no such thing as personal liberty, but believe it's probably best to pretend there is for the sake of decency.
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Postby Katganistan » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:23 pm

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Sailsia wrote:No, he's right. If you don't know what you're talking about don't post here. Seriously. You don't have to be a professional but you have to at least have an understanding of the subject- which you don't.


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Postby Individualist Constructivism » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:23 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Individualist Constructivism wrote:My point precisely. It's the wrong attitude.

How?

The view that 'pro-choice = we love abortion' is wrong.

"And also, why is 'pro-choice' marked as 'for abortion'? I highly doubt any of us admire and approve of the conditions that would cause a mother to seek an Abortion."

I was questioning the fact it was marked as 'for abortion' in the poll.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:24 pm

Seperates wrote:Meh... I know there is no such thing as personal liberty, but believe it's probably best to pretend there is for the sake of decency.


Regulated by the law, human construct, social contract. I know.

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Postby Kemaliste » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:24 pm

Women's body belongs to women!
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Postby Individualist Constructivism » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:25 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Individualist Constructivism wrote:If the government decides that women's rights aren't its business, obviously the next result is death panels.

.....Are you for real?

Are you looking for someone to refute?

I'm pro-choice until the point of birth, if that helps whatever view you have of my previous post, which was, as a hint, satirical.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:25 pm

Kemaliste wrote:Women's body belongs to women old, white Christian men!


Hold on there buddy. Let me fix that. You don't want to be mistaken for a Communist, do you?
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