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Stance on Abortion

Pro-Choice (For Abortion)
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65%
Pro-Life (Against Abortion)
203
26%
Neither/Other (Explain Below)
69
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Total votes : 775

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Katganistan
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Postby Katganistan » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:43 pm

Raeyh wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Source?


Compare the amount of deaths from pregnancy in a year: http://images.journals.lww.com/greenjou ... 1.TT1.jpeg

To the amount of STDs among women in a year:
http://mchb.hrsa.gov/whusa04/images/46a_stds_by_age.gif

Because death and NOT DEATH are the same. :roll:

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Postby Deus Malum » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:44 pm

Fascist Iberia wrote:
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:rofl:

Source that humans have souls? Not the Bible, please.


If they don't have how are you writing right now ?

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Postby Fascist Iberia » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:45 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
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If you are a live it's because you have a soul if wasn't that you will be dead .


I'm alive because my heart beats and my brain works. Nowhere does life equate to something as immaterial - and nonexistent - as a soul. Do (other) animals have souls?


You Communist just because your " god " Lenine say you should be atheist all of you starts to deny religion.

If they didn't have soul they would be dead .
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Postby Deus Malum » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:46 pm

Fascist Iberia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
I'm alive because my heart beats and my brain works. Nowhere does life equate to something as immaterial - and nonexistent - as a soul. Do (other) animals have souls?


You Communist just because your " god " Lenine say you should be atheist all of you starts to deny religion.

If they didn't have soul they would be dead .

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:46 pm

Fascist Iberia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Because I'm alive, and I have a computer, Internet access, two hands, and knowledge of the English language.


If you are a live it's because you have a soul if wasn't that you will be dead .

Really? Where is the soul, exactly?

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Postby Katganistan » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:46 pm

Dragonia Re Xzua wrote:Pro-life, because a pregnant woman is carrying a living being inside her, and you wouldn't want to be killed just because you're an 'inconvenience', would you? Also if the woman didn't want the pregnancy, tough luck, it's her fault making the decision in the first place. Unless the pregnancy is life-threatening or is a result of rape, she HAS to keep the baby. Pro-choice is good and all, but after the first er...... 3 to 5 abortions, you'll change your views, after its done scarring your insides.

No, she doesn't have to remain pregnant, no matter what misogynists say. You wouldn't care if you'd been aborted for the simple reason that you would never have existed. And the idea that people who get at abortion are likely to repeatedly use it as birth control is ridiculous. Condoms are far cheaper and less dangerous.

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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:46 pm

Cells are living things, a fetus is made of cells, therefore fetus is alive, which means it is murder to abort it, which means it is a human being, the Constitution says everyone is guaranteed life, liberty, and a pursuit of happiness, therefore the unborn baby is a living thing, a human being, and is guaranteed life under the Constitution.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:46 pm

Fascist Iberia wrote:You Communist just because your " god " Lenine say you should be atheist all of you starts to deny religion.

If they didn't have soul they would be dead .


Who said I'm a communist? I don't answer to Lenin.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:47 pm

Fascist Iberia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
I'm alive because my heart beats and my brain works. Nowhere does life equate to something as immaterial - and nonexistent - as a soul. Do (other) animals have souls?


You Communist just because your " god " Lenine say you should be atheist all of you starts to deny religion.

If they didn't have soul they would be dead .

:rofl: What the fuck?
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:47 pm

Fascist Iberia wrote:
You Communist just because your " god " Lenine say you should be atheist all of you starts to deny religion.

If they didn't have soul they would be dead .


Now where did I put my decoder ring...?
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:47 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Cells are living things, a fetus is made of cells, therefore fetus is alive, which means it is murder to abort it, which means it is a human being, the Constitution says everyone is guaranteed life, liberty, and a pursuit of happiness, therefore the unborn baby is a living thing, a human being, and is guaranteed life under the Constitution.

We've been over this. The Constitution says no such thing.
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Postby Katganistan » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:47 pm

Raeyh wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
And what does that have to do with STDs?


It's significantly less, showing that it's more dangerous to have sex than be pregnant.

Because being sick is worse than being dead.

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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:47 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Cells are living things, a fetus is made of cells, therefore fetus is alive, which means it is murder to abort it, which means it is a human being, the Constitution says everyone is guaranteed life, liberty, and a pursuit of happiness, therefore the unborn baby is a living thing, a human being, and is guaranteed life under the Constitution.


Bullshit. Your liver is made of cells, therefore your liver is alive, therefore prohibition. Stop ignoring the "due process part" everyone ignores the due process part.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:47 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Cells are living things, a fetus is made of cells, therefore fetus is alive, which means it is murder to abort it, which means it is a human being, the Constitution says everyone is guaranteed life, liberty, and a pursuit of happiness, therefore the unborn baby is a living thing, a human being, and is guaranteed life under the Constitution.


It is not murder. Murder is unlawful. Abortion isn't unlawful.

And Roe vs. Wade continues to illustrate your point wrong.

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Postby Raeyh » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:48 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
Compare the amount of deaths from pregnancy in a year: http://images.journals.lww.com/greenjou ... 1.TT1.jpeg

To the amount of STDs among women in a year:
http://mchb.hrsa.gov/whusa04/images/46a_stds_by_age.gif

Because death and NOT DEATH are the same. :roll:


I would rather be dead than have syphilis, herpes or whatever.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:48 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Cells are living things, a fetus is made of cells, therefore fetus is alive, which means it is murder to abort it, which means it is a human being, the Constitution says everyone is guaranteed life, liberty, and a pursuit of happiness, therefore the unborn baby is a living thing, a human being, and is guaranteed life under the Constitution.


Mavorpen wrote:
Nidaria wrote:4. I have provided points as to why unborn children are human beings, but you have not provided any as to why they are not.



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Definition of human being
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a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.


man Pronunciation: /man/
Definition of man
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woman Pronunciation: /ˈwʊmən/
Definition of woman
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Wikipedia wrote:Biologically, a child (plural: children) is generally a human between the stages of birth and puberty.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:48 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Fascist Iberia wrote:You Communist just because your " god " Lenine say you should be atheist all of you starts to deny religion.

If they didn't have soul they would be dead .


Who said I'm a communist? I don't answer to Lenin.

My sword is at the Emperor's command. I answer to no other man, living or dead.

That's simple. Che Guevara was Argentinian. You're Argentinian. Therefore ... QED.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:48 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Fascist Iberia wrote:
You Communist just because your " god " Lenine say you should be atheist all of you starts to deny religion.

If they didn't have soul they would be dead .

:rofl: What the fuck?


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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:48 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Who said I'm a communist? I don't answer to Lenin.

My sword is at the Emperor's command. I answer to no other man, living or dead.

That's simple. Che Guevara was Argentinian. You're Argentinian. Therefore ... QED.


If Lenin could see me now...

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:48 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Cells are living things, a fetus is made of cells, therefore fetus is alive, which means it is murder to abort it, which means it is a human being, the Constitution says everyone is guaranteed life, liberty, and a pursuit of happiness, therefore the unborn baby is a living thing, a human being, and is guaranteed life under the Constitution.

That is some serious troll logic.
How exactly do you get from "its alive" to "therefore its human"? That makes no sense.
Are you saying that non-human animals aren't alive? :eyebrow:
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:49 pm

Raeyh wrote:I would rather be dead than have syphilis, herpes or whatever.


Wear a condom. Get tested. Your partner would also like to get tested.

Assuming you have one.

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Postby Christian area » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:49 pm

I'm pro-life because I think the unborn should have a right to live

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:49 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:That's simple. Che Guevara was Argentinian. You're Argentinian. Therefore ... QED.


If Lenin could see me now...

Mr Samurai is the reincarnation of Che Guevara. *nods*
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Postby Katganistan » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:49 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Someone tell me how depriving an unborn child's right to life is civilized? :eyebrow:

Someone tell me how taking away a person's right to their own bodily sovereignty is civilized?

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Postby Kummen » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:50 pm

The people of Kummen are largely pro-choice, but it is considered being pro-life, this has lead to some confusion among those who are not entirely familiar with Objectivist thought. Thus when dealing with the rest of the world, we try make it quite clear which side of this debate we're on.

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