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Stance on Abortion

Pro-Choice (For Abortion)
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65%
Pro-Life (Against Abortion)
203
26%
Neither/Other (Explain Below)
69
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Total votes : 775

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Nordengrund
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:34 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
Yes, cells can reproduce, dispose of waste, work, have irratibility, have respiration, and even die. Therefore a cell is alive.
As you say, the unborn bay (fetus, or whatever you want to call it) is made up a cluster of these cells. Because these cells are alive, the unborn baby itself is alive.


Except it's not unlawful to kill cancerous cells. Nor is it, via Roe vs. Wade, abortion.


Nope, but is illegal to kill anything with a soul, and humans have souls.
1 John 1:9

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Fascist Iberia
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Postby Fascist Iberia » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:34 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Fascist Iberia wrote:Of course Not .

When the women is having a Sex relationship should take protections to avoid get pregnant .

So if they don't take protection it was is fault and he should carry the baby since the kid doesn't deserve to be aborted .

"He" should carry the baby?

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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:34 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Nope, but is illegal to kill anything with a soul, and humans have souls.


Shao Kahn took mine.
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Deus Malum
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Postby Deus Malum » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:35 pm

Fascist Iberia wrote:Of course Not .

When the women is having a Sex relationship should take protections to avoid get pregnant .

So if they don't take protection it was is fault and she should carry the baby since the kid doesn't deserve to be aborted .

Fifty-four percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method (usually the condom or the pill) during the month they became pregnant.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induc ... tion.html/

So what you're saying is, you're ok with roughly half the abortions that take place in the US every year.
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Of the Free Socialist Territories
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:36 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Except it's not unlawful to kill cancerous cells. Nor is it, via Roe vs. Wade, abortion.


Nope, but is illegal to kill anything with a soul, and humans have souls.


:rofl:

Source that humans have souls? Not the Bible, please.
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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:37 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
Nope, but is illegal to kill anything with a soul, and humans have souls.


:rofl:

Source that humans have souls? Not the Bible, please.


Mortal Kombat, obviously.

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Nordengrund
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:37 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
Yes, cells can reproduce, dispose of waste, work, have irratibility, have respiration, and even die. Therefore a cell is alive.
As you say, the unborn bay (fetus, or whatever you want to call it) is made up a cluster of these cells. Because these cells are alive, the unborn baby itself is alive.


Except it's not unlawful to kill cancerous cells. Nor is it, via Roe vs. Wade, abortion.


True, but cancerous cells actually harm people, so they must be destroyed. As far as I know an unborn baby does not contain cancerous cells if there is no issues with the mother (ie. no disease, mental illness, not affected by radiation, etc.)
1 John 1:9

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Nidaria
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Postby Nidaria » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:38 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
Nope, but is illegal to kill anything with a soul, and humans have souls.


:rofl:

Source that humans have souls? Not the Bible, please.

Source that they do not? I would prefer the word of God Himself over that of a fringe group.
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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:38 pm

Nordengrund wrote:True, but cancerous cells actually harm people, so they must be destroyed. As far as I know an unborn baby does not contain cancerous cells if there is no issues with the mother (ie. no disease, mental illness, not affected by radiation, etc.)


If a fetus is to be aborted, it's because it does cause harm to the carrier. Otherwise she wouldn't.

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Postby Katganistan » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:38 pm

Raeyh wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:And we had the Courts that address the "life" part.


The only time when the court made a decision in favor of abortion was Roe vs Wade and that only approved of abortion when threat to the life of the mother was too great.

No, it did not. It said it was a privacy matter for a woman and doctor, and that the government should not interfere.
Educate yourself.

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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:38 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
:rofl:

Source that humans have souls? Not the Bible, please.

Source that they do not? I would prefer the word of God Himself over that of a fringe group.


Russell's Teapot.

K.O.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:39 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Except it's not unlawful to kill cancerous cells. Nor is it, via Roe vs. Wade, abortion.


True, but cancerous cells actually harm people, so they must be destroyed. As far as I know an unborn baby does not contain cancerous cells if there is no issues with the mother (ie. no disease, mental illness, not affected by radiation, etc.)

So your saying that pregnancy doesn't hurt? :eyebrow:
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Fascist Iberia
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Postby Fascist Iberia » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:39 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
Nope, but is illegal to kill anything with a soul, and humans have souls.


:rofl:

Source that humans have souls? Not the Bible, please.


If they don't have how are you writing right now ?
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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:39 pm

Fascist Iberia wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
:rofl:

Source that humans have souls? Not the Bible, please.


If they don't have how are you writing right now ?


Because I'm alive, and I have a computer, Internet access, two hands, and knowledge of the English language.
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Farnhamia
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:40 pm

Fascist Iberia wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
:rofl:

Source that humans have souls? Not the Bible, please.


If they don't have how are you writing right now ?

Not because I have a "soul," I assure you. Because I have a mind. And a body. And the sense that my decisions touching reproduction are none of your business.
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Postby Katganistan » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:40 pm

Raeyh wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Considering that the mother's health is at risk during the entirety of the pregnancy, it is never the case that a doctor should be arrested for providing a consented to and by-the-books abortion.


Ridiculous, your health is more at risk from the act that caused the pregnancy then the pregnancy itself.

Educate. Yourself.

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Nordengrund
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:41 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
True, but cancerous cells actually harm people, so they must be destroyed. As far as I know an unborn baby does not contain cancerous cells if there is no issues with the mother (ie. no disease, mental illness, not affected by radiation, etc.)

So your saying that pregnancy doesn't hurt? :eyebrow:


I am talking about as if it could "kill" them.
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Postby Fascist Iberia » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:41 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Fascist Iberia wrote:
If they don't have how are you writing right now ?


Because I'm alive, and I have a computer, Internet access, two hands, and knowledge of the English language.


If you are a live it's because you have a soul if wasn't that you will be dead .
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Postby Alaje » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:41 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Nidaria wrote:Source that they do not? I would prefer the word of God Himself over that of a fringe group.


Russell's Teapot.

K.O.


Russell's Teapot is BS....
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Postby Katganistan » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:41 pm

Isointania wrote:Is this still not locked?

Does it break the rules? No.
Then it's not locked.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:42 pm

Alaje wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Russell's Teapot.

K.O.


Russell's Teapot is BS....

Explain.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:42 pm

Alaje wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Russell's Teapot.

K.O.


Russell's Teapot is BS....

So is an untestable, inscrutable deity.
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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:42 pm

Alaje wrote:Russell's Teapot is BS....


It's actually not.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:42 pm

Alaje wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Russell's Teapot.

K.O.


Russell's Teapot is BS....


Just like religion. That's the point. :roll:
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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:43 pm

Fascist Iberia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Because I'm alive, and I have a computer, Internet access, two hands, and knowledge of the English language.


If you are a live it's because you have a soul if wasn't that you will be dead .


I'm alive because my heart beats and my brain works. Nowhere does life equate to something as immaterial - and nonexistent - as a soul. Do (other) animals have souls?

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