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Americans: Are you Conservative or Liberal?

Conservative
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29%
Liberal
73
49%
Neither
34
23%
 
Total votes : 150

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Volnotova
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Postby Volnotova » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:04 am

Castille de Italia wrote:
Tekania wrote:
Anyone in unrepentant sin is condemned eternally. If he was a repentant sinner he wouldn't be advocating running around killing people.

Ahem...

Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.


Laws pertaining to the tribe of Levi(Levites) and at the very most relevant to Jews only(Go find me even a single Talmudist that is of the opinion that Lev 20:12 is relevant to the goyim).
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Postby Volnotova » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:06 am

Castille de Italia wrote:Ahem...

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
- Leviticus 18:22, KJV


How can you lie with mankand in the same way as with womankind? It is categorically and physically impossible.

Oh, and before you are going to shout. "But what about Paulus!?". Paulus used a word different than homosexuality(A word he might either have made up him self or which of the meaning might have been lost over the centuries).

Also note that homosexuality and bisexuality ocurr in nature, thus no argument against nature here please. ;)

And before you say "But we are not animalistic savages!", well, do you know what other beings kill each other? Animals.

Have a nice day. ;)
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Tekania
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Postby Tekania » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:06 am

Castille de Italia wrote:
Tekania wrote:
Anyone in unrepentant sin is condemned eternally. If he was a repentant sinner he wouldn't be advocating running around killing people.

Ahem...

Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.


Yes, Satan is very good at quoting scripture too, that's how he deceived Eve.... that his servants would quote it as well is no surprise.
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Volnotova
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Postby Volnotova » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:08 am

Tekania wrote:
Castille de Italia wrote:Ahem...

Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.


Yes, Satan is very good at quoting scripture too.... that his servants would quote it as well is no surprise.


Are you stating that all Jews(and/or Levites) are servants of Satan?
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Volnotova
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Postby Volnotova » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:12 am

Castille de Italia wrote:
Milks Empire wrote:I wouldn't vote for Bachmann if HITLER were running. And Hitler would gas me.

Well, I wouldn't blame Hitler. Homosexuality is... Well, let me quote Bachmann here: "sexual dysfunction," "sexual identity disorders," and "personal enslavement" that leads to "sexual anarchy."


Yea, like the possessive nature of sexual exclusivism that condemns many men and women to a bondage embodying the excesses of sexual objectification doesn't somehow amount to "personal enslavement".

Give me a break. :palm:
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Castille de Italia
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Postby Castille de Italia » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:14 am

Tekania wrote:
Castille de Italia wrote:Ahem...

Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.


Yes, Satan is very good at quoting scripture too, that's how he deceived Eve.... that his servants would quote it as well is no surprise.

No. I'm Baptist, and a repentant sinner. I know the error of my ways, and it saddens me that anyone who commends homosexuality doesn't. I would refer to it as Satanism. Do you know why God destroyed Sodom? Because they were homosexuals, unrepentant sinners that deserved to die. They did not inherit the Kingdom of God, for they were unrepentant sinners. God set an example of destroying Sodom. I shall follow in his example. I will openly advocate the genocide of homosexuals, regardless of what anybody cares.
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Tekania
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Postby Tekania » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:15 am

Volnotova wrote:
Tekania wrote:
Yes, Satan is very good at quoting scripture too.... that his servants would quote it as well is no surprise.


Are you stating that all Jews(and/or Levites) are servants of Satan?


No, I'm only stating that he is.
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Meridiani Planum
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Postby Meridiani Planum » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:16 am

Danbershan wrote:For all you Americans here on NSG, are you a conservative or a liberal?


Neither. Libertarian.
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Volnotova
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Postby Volnotova » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:16 am

Tekania wrote:
Volnotova wrote:
Are you stating that all Jews(and/or Levites) are servants of Satan?


No, I'm only stating that he is.


Many Jews(and thus also Levites) abide by the principles of that quote.

How does that not make them practical Satanists in your eyes?
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Milks Empire
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Postby Milks Empire » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:17 am

Castille de Italia wrote:Do you know why God destroyed Sodom?

Because they wanted to rape a couple of visitors (who just happened to be angels). Sodom was destroyed because its inhabitants were massive arseholes and nothing beyond.

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Tekania
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Postby Tekania » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:19 am

Castille de Italia wrote:
Tekania wrote:
Yes, Satan is very good at quoting scripture too, that's how he deceived Eve.... that his servants would quote it as well is no surprise.

No. I'm Baptist, and a repentant sinner. I know the error of my ways, and it saddens me that anyone who commends homosexuality doesn't. I would refer to it as Satanism. Do you know why God destroyed Sodom? Because they were homosexuals, unrepentant sinners that deserved to die. They did not inherit the Kingdom of God, for they were unrepentant sinners. God set an example of destroying Sodom. I shall follow in his example. I will openly advocate the genocide of homosexuals, regardless of what anybody cares.



You seem to be running around advocating the mass slaughter of people.... can't see how that could be classed as "unrepentant". You seem quite set in your sins. If you knew the love of Christ you would be preaching Christ, and not preaching murder. Alas, you don't know Christ. And He doesn't know you.
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Fradonia
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Postby Fradonia » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:21 am

Moderate, Centre-Right Conservative on social issues, Fiscally however, I'm about as Far-Right as they come.
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The Serbian Empire
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:22 am

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Castille de Italia
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Postby Castille de Italia » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:22 am

Tekania wrote:
Castille de Italia wrote:No. I'm Baptist, and a repentant sinner. I know the error of my ways, and it saddens me that anyone who commends homosexuality doesn't. I would refer to it as Satanism. Do you know why God destroyed Sodom? Because they were homosexuals, unrepentant sinners that deserved to die. They did not inherit the Kingdom of God, for they were unrepentant sinners. God set an example of destroying Sodom. I shall follow in his example. I will openly advocate the genocide of homosexuals, regardless of what anybody cares.



You seem to be running around advocating the mass slaughter of people.... can't see how that could be classed as "unrepentant". You seem quite set in your sins. If you knew the love of Christ you would be preaching Christ, and not preaching murder. Alas, you don't know Christ. And He doesn't know you.

Just who are you to say I don't know Christ. I know, and have known Christ since I was a boy, and knows me as well. I shall inherit the Kingdom of God, whereas homosexuals, and advocators of homosexuality, prostitution, and other unholy acts shall not.

I Corinthians 6:9(NIV) - Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
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Chetssaland
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Postby Chetssaland » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:23 am

Castille de Italia wrote:
Tekania wrote:
Anyone in unrepentant sin is condemned eternally. If he was a repentant sinner he wouldn't be advocating running around killing people.

Ahem...

Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.


So in the case of rape do you believe the rapist should marry the woman? Because the Bible does.

Not expecting anything intelligent to come from this, but I'll try.

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Alexlantis
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Postby Alexlantis » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:26 am

I'm quite liberal, and a socialist, too.
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Danbershan
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Postby Danbershan » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:27 am

Castille de Italia wrote:
Tekania wrote:

You seem to be running around advocating the mass slaughter of people.... can't see how that could be classed as "unrepentant". You seem quite set in your sins. If you knew the love of Christ you would be preaching Christ, and not preaching murder. Alas, you don't know Christ. And He doesn't know you.

Just who are you to say I don't know Christ. I know, and have known Christ since I was a boy, and knows me as well. I shall inherit the Kingdom of God, whereas homosexuals, and advocators of homosexuality, prostitution, and other unholy acts shall not.

I Corinthians 6:9(NIV) - Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.


I have absoultely no problem with religion until people start preaching and believing this kind of ignorant, violent, divisive, intolerant bullshit.

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Postby Gibberish America » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:28 am

Moderate libertarian. People confuse me with conservative...
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Postby Yuonela » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:28 am

I'm inclined to say liberal but I'm far more extreme than liberals, and I'm against neoliberalsim. I prefer to refer to myself as a left libertarian or extreme progressive.
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Postby Wheeled States of Bifid » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:28 am

I think that both sides have bright intelligent people who are capable of reasonable discourse and compromise. I also think that both sides have their fair share of complete whack jobs. Unfortunately the latter tend to be the most interesting ones so they're the ones you hear about most often.
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Postby Volnotova » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:28 am

Castille de Italia wrote:No. I'm Baptist, and a repentant sinner. I know the error of my ways, and it saddens me that anyone who commends homosexuality doesn't.


Enlighten us as to what entails homosexuality's most sinful nature.

Do you know why God destroyed Sodom? Because they were homosexuals, unrepentant sinners that deserved to die.


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Do you know why the Nazis(God) killed the Jews? Oh wait, not an acceptable format... :palm:

There are many reasons why God could have destroyed Sodom, maybe because they were rude and did not pay respect to the Angels? Or inhospitable? Or lustful? Or ignorant of God's power?

That is IF it even happened in the first place. Rain of fire and brimstone? Volcanic eruption maybe? That would mean that they were just foolish enough(and/or ignorant) enough to build their settlement near an active Volcano. ;)

See, there could have been many reasons.

Many genocides and acts of mass murder have occurred over the past. Does the East Indian Tsunami mean that God hates the Muslims of that area? Does the Tsunami in Japan and Hiroshima and Nagazaki mean God hates the Japanese?

Does God hate the Tutsi? Or the blacks? Or the Boers? Or the Slavs? Or the French? Or the British?

They did not inherit the Kingdom of God, for they were unrepentant sinners. God set an example of destroying Sodom. I shall follow in his example.


Are you God? If not, how can you really know what caused God to destroy Sodom?

I will openly advocate the genocide of homosexuals, regardless of what anybody cares.


You have no theological, ethical, biological or historical arguments to back up your case.

Have you even read what I wrote before?
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Postby Alexlantis » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:29 am

Castille de Italia wrote:
Tekania wrote:

You seem to be running around advocating the mass slaughter of people.... can't see how that could be classed as "unrepentant". You seem quite set in your sins. If you knew the love of Christ you would be preaching Christ, and not preaching murder. Alas, you don't know Christ. And He doesn't know you.

Just who are you to say I don't know Christ. I know, and have known Christ since I was a boy, and knows me as well. I shall inherit the Kingdom of God, whereas homosexuals, and advocators of homosexuality, prostitution, and other unholy acts shall not.

I Corinthians 6:9(NIV) - Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

It's people like you that make the rest of us Christians look bad.
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Postby The House of Petain » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:30 am

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Postby Milks Empire » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:30 am

Castille de Italia wrote:
Tekania wrote:

You seem to be running around advocating the mass slaughter of people.... can't see how that could be classed as "unrepentant". You seem quite set in your sins. If you knew the love of Christ you would be preaching Christ, and not preaching murder. Alas, you don't know Christ. And He doesn't know you.

Just who are you to say I don't know Christ. I know, and have known Christ since I was a boy, and knows me as well. I shall inherit the Kingdom of God, whereas homosexuals, and advocators of homosexuality, prostitution, and other unholy acts shall not.

I Corinthians 6:9(NIV) - Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

No, you're just an ITG who wants to kill all the fags. :roll:

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:31 am

Castille de Italia wrote:No. I'm Baptist, and a repentant sinner. I know the error of my ways, and it saddens me that anyone who commends homosexuality doesn't. I would refer to it as Satanism. Do you know why God destroyed Sodom? Because they were homosexuals, unrepentant sinners that deserved to die. They did not inherit the Kingdom of God, for they were unrepentant sinners. God set an example of destroying Sodom. I shall follow in his example. I will openly advocate the genocide of homosexuals, regardless of what anybody cares.


Actually god destroyed Sodom for a bunch of reasons the idea that homosexuality was chief amongst them or even related is substantiated only by the fact that the men wanted to bang the angels, that happened well after god had decided to destroy them. This is of course ignoring the fact that the bible is entirely fiction. I have a difficult time justifying allowing people like you to exist in society.
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