Cabra West wrote:
Pretty much exactly a month ago now
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by Neesika » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:51 am
Cabra West wrote:
Pretty much exactly a month ago now
by Cabra West » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:52 am
The Atlantian islands wrote:Well, Ireland was working quite hard to foster that kind of capitalistic enviornment, you know.
Enjoy the fruits of a capitalistic pro-entrepreneur soceity while you vote left against those very priciples
by The Romulan Republic » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:53 am
by Conservative Ad Droid » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:54 am
by Cabra West » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:54 am
by The Atlantian islands » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:56 am
Neesika wrote:The Atlantian islands wrote:Right but in comparison of the opportunity between nations, not between a nation and the continent of Europe, the USA comes away.
You can find much more opportunity in America, all speaking the same language with similar cultures, similar customs and no "international regulations" between states.
I don't see how you can realistically isolate a nation and ignore its position in a wider regional context, as you are attempting to do here. Cabra isn't discussing the continent of Europe, she's discussing how certain nations within the wider regional context (in particular in reference to border controls) seem to offer opportunities as good as what you're discussing as being available in the US. What 'more opportunity' is available to Cabra that would not be available to her where she is? Please be specific.
by Neesika » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:56 am
Conservative Ad Droid wrote:Personally I believe this compiled list is complete and utter crap.
But my utopias are Switzerland and the USA (although fading as my utopia, I'll always love this country)
by The Alma Mater » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:57 am
The Atlantian islands wrote:No. As being fundamental concepts of how a nation operates, the USA was the first to be created with these ideas at its base.
by Gift-of-god » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:57 am
The Atlantian islands wrote:Starting from nothing. No connections. Not being in the "upper class". Not from a rich family. Being a nobody.
Then having your dreams of what you want to do in life, and launching it off with nothing but your aspirations and intelligence.
And having a real chance to make it.
Like I said, I personally have family members who have done just that. You may choose to not believe me, but I'm not just writing this for finger-excersize.
by Conservative Ad Droid » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:58 am
Neesika wrote:Conservative Ad Droid wrote:Personally I believe this compiled list is complete and utter crap.
But my utopias are Switzerland and the USA (although fading as my utopia, I'll always love this country)
Well it's really going to depend on what you value, no? If you value things like public healthcare and education, if you value democracy, if you value multiculturalism, etc etc...that's going to point you towards certain nations. If you value working to live over living to work, you'll choose based on what nation shares that value, and so on. If you value opportunity to amass wealth and material possessions over focusing on interpersonal connections and social collaboration, again your choices of nation will be different.
by Gopferdammi » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:58 am
by Neesika » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:00 am
Conservative Ad Droid wrote:
Right. I wasn't arguing against that.
by Conservative Ad Droid » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:00 am
by Hydesland » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:03 am
The Atlantian islands wrote:But the problem is that the university systems where he lives don't allow for real mixing like that, two concentrations. So he must limits his dreams. Then, if he chooses journalism, because he has not gone into the pre-created art track, he will never be able to be taken seriously with art. If he chooses art, he will never be able to make any money with that because the opportunity for artists simply is almost non-existent.
by The Atlantian islands » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:03 am
Gift-of-god wrote:The Atlantian islands wrote:Starting from nothing. No connections. Not being in the "upper class". Not from a rich family. Being a nobody.
Then having your dreams of what you want to do in life, and launching it off with nothing but your aspirations and intelligence.
And having a real chance to make it.
Like I said, I personally have family members who have done just that. You may choose to not believe me, but I'm not just writing this for finger-excersize.
...says the white male full time student who travels all summer.
How do you pay for all that anyways? Does your unconnected, not rich, not upper class, nobody family help you?
Or do you do it all by yourself with just aspirations and intellgence?
by Samurkhan » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:06 am
Monte Mare wrote:Switzerland, Monaco, and Greece or Cyprus...
by The Atlantian islands » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:06 am
The Alma Mater wrote:The Atlantian islands wrote:No. As being fundamental concepts of how a nation operates, the USA was the first to be created with these ideas at its base.
Considering those ideas were taken from the Dutch, acting is if they were original is a tad bit ... odd.
Perhaps pay more attention in history class ?
by Cabra West » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:07 am
The Atlantian islands wrote:Oh, I can almost see the jealousy and dislike dripping off that post.
Well, at home, this helps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_Futures
And please, get your facts straight. I don't only travel during the summer. I'm out of the country right now as well.
by Muravyets » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:08 am
Cabra West wrote:The Atlantian islands wrote:Starting from nothing. No connections. Not being in the "upper class". Not from a rich family. Being a nobody.
Then having your dreams of what you want to do in life, and launching it off with nothing but your aspirations and intelligence.
And having a real chance to make it.
Like I said, I personally have family members who have done just that. You may choose to not believe me, but I'm not just writing this for finger-excersize.
Sounds pretty much like what me and my husband have done. Is that now the Irish dream, then?
by Hydesland » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:09 am
The Alma Mater wrote:Considering those ideas were taken from the Dutch, acting is if they were original is a tad bit ... odd.
Perhaps pay more attention in history class ?
by Gift-of-god » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:09 am
The Atlantian islands wrote:Oh, I can almost see the jealousy and dislike dripping off that post.
Well, at home, this helps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_Futures
And please, get your facts straight. I don't only travel during the summer. I'm out of the country right now as well.
by The Atlantian islands » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:12 am
Gift-of-god wrote:The Atlantian islands wrote:Oh, I can almost see the jealousy and dislike dripping off that post.
Well, at home, this helps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_Futures
And please, get your facts straight. I don't only travel during the summer. I'm out of the country right now as well.
I see. Your scholarship that pays for your tuition in Florida universities is somehow letting you travel to Europe throughout the year.
This only supports my claim that your family is able to access more opportunities than most, and thus can not be indicative of the situation for most USians.
by Hydesland » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:14 am
Gift-of-god wrote:This only supports my claim that your family is able to access more opportunities than most, and thus can not be indicative of the situation for most USians.
by Neesika » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:19 am
Hydesland wrote:But that's why I was saying earlier that you can't really say what the best place to live is on a national level, as it depends too much on socio-economic status first.
by Cabra West » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:20 am
Hydesland wrote:
But that's why I was saying earlier that you can't really say what the best place to live is on a national level, as it depends too much on socio-economic status first.
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