I Find This Disgusting, Does NationStates?

[Gideus]

It's utter BS. I'm a Christian and I don't believe that craziness. There's always a few whackos like him wherever you look, just have to turn over the right rocks. He is an insult to the faith and an insult to the families of the victims of that atrocity.

Did you miss the part of the Gospels where Jesus tells us that we can only find salvation through Him? I would suggest better study of Christianity in general. It has always been taught that you can't get to Heaven without accepting Jesus Christ as your savior. A quality consistently absent in all non-Christians.

*cough cough* Messianic Jews. *cough cough*

Also, I don't believe this is acceptable. I wish people would stop doing this; I don't think that Jesus as he is taught in the Bible would have told his followers to do such a thing - make those related to those whom died feel worse.

But my opinion doesn't matter as a Jew, does it? Not like we own the first half or so of that book or anything, right?

EDIT: By that book I mean the Bible. The Old Testament is the Torah - with some changes I believe.

[Raven Corps]

And what of a religion of war? just for hypothetical reasons... imagine there was a religion that literally preached "if it breathes and its not one of our own... kill it."

Would you hate this one more or less then traditional religions of today?

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Yes, yes I would hate it.

Interesting you choose an old Testament book which is normally meant to serve as a historical account of before Jesus' time... Most Christians abide by the New Testament which is to be used to guide ones life...

I think your trying to reach to hard here

[Unilisia]

Not seeing what the big deal is. Random Christian leaders that nobody has ever heard of say stupid things like this whenever some sort of 'disaster' or 'tragedy' occurs.

[Gideus]

Not seeing what the big deal is. Random Christian leaders that nobody has ever heard of say stupid things like this whenever some sort of 'disaster' or 'tragedy' occurs.

It's because Americans died this time.

[Raven Corps]

Oh... I am actually enjoying the "Devils advocate role" I have donned

[Genivaria]

Yes, yes I would hate it.

Interesting you choose an old Testament book which is normally meant to serve as a historical account of before Jesus' time... Most Christians abide by the New Testament which is to be used to guide ones life...

I think your trying to reach to hard here

So the OT isn't part of the Christian religion? Its rather annoying when Christians preach from the OT one minute but when they are called out on a certain verse they claim that the OT somehow doesn't count.
I believe thats called hypocrisy.

[Raven Corps]

Interesting you choose an old Testament book which is normally meant to serve as a historical account of before Jesus' time... Most Christians abide by the New Testament which is to be used to guide ones life...

I think your trying to reach to hard here

So the OT isn't part of the Christian religion? Its rather annoying when Christians preach from the OT one minute but when they are called out on a certain verse they claim that the OT somehow doesn't count.
I believe thats called hypocrisy.

Oh it counts...

But as a means of showing where things once where as to where they are now... But even an old manual can still have a few tid bits of useful information as I'm sure you know.

Now lets also not confuse preaching with a history lesson and the moral values this lesson brings. This is the primary use of the OT.

[Genivaria]

So the OT isn't part of the Christian religion? Its rather annoying when Christians preach from the OT one minute but when they are called out on a certain verse they claim that the OT somehow doesn't count.
I believe thats called hypocrisy.

Oh it counts...

But as a means of showing where things once where as to where they are now... But even an old manual can still have a few tid bits of useful information as I'm sure you know.

Now lets also not confuse preaching with a history lesson and the moral values this lesson brings. This is the primary use of the OT.

To a preacher there is no difference, try listening to an actual sermon some time.
And I find there to be very little moral value on the OT.

[Des-Bal]

So by this logic the good preacher at the end of my tale receives equal hatred even though he is drastically different then the normally rebuked fire and brim-stone preacher?.. if so then you condemn a good man, who literally gave his life for someone who others would of never batted an eye for.

Most of the time we forget the reasons these religions exist is to give someone a purpose when they cant see the light at the end of the tunnel. Unfortunately most of the time people do not utilize the entirety of what is taught by the religion as a whole...

If he believes in Sola Fide he condemns every non-christian that's died to hell. He's taken a much stronger stance than I.

[Raven Corps]

Oh it counts...

But as a means of showing where things once where as to where they are now... But even an old manual can still have a few tid bits of useful information as I'm sure you know.

Now lets also not confuse preaching with a history lesson and the moral values this lesson brings. This is the primary use of the OT.

To a preacher there is no difference, try listening to an actual sermon some time.
And I find there to be very little moral value on the OT.

Then perhaps you have blinded yourself out of a self-inflicted hatred which stems from a personal feeling that neither Debate or idle talk will dissuade you. Or maybe you simply do not try to see the moral values some of the OT stories can teach. Rarely does the bible in many facets reveal its underlying meaning directly and to the point. But instead tries to focus its readers to a deeper understanding of the story allowing the reader to apply what was learned to the readers life.

If you do not approach a new doctrine from a completely unbias position you will never fully comprehend its meanings... in otherwords... you find germs in a clean room and blame the builders, but forgot to wash you own hands when you walked in...

[Nationalist State of Knox]

It's his opinion, he's entitled to believe it.

[Genivaria]

To a preacher there is no difference, try listening to an actual sermon some time.
And I find there to be very little moral value on the OT.

Then perhaps you have blinded yourself out of a self-inflicted hatred which stems from a personal feeling that neither Debate or idle talk will dissuade you. Or maybe you simply do not try to see the moral values some of the OT stories can teach. Rarely does the bible in many facets reveal its underlying meaning directly and to the point. But instead tries to focus its readers to a deeper understanding of the story allowing the reader to apply what was learned to the readers life.

If you do not approach a new doctrine from a completely unbias position you will never fully comprehend its meanings... in otherwords... you find germs in a clean room and blame the builders, but forgot to wash you own hands when you walked in...

out of a self-inflicted hatred

wut? Perhaps you should get yourself a degree in Psychology before you start acting like you can read people.

[Person012345]

Yes, yes I would hate it.

Interesting you choose an old Testament book which is normally meant to serve as a historical account of before Jesus' time... Most Christians abide by the New Testament which is to be used to guide ones life...

I think your trying to reach to hard here

I think you don't actually know your bible.

Jesus specifically says that you should follow the old testament and criticizes people for not following the old commands.

[Raven Corps]

@Genivaria

Sounds like I struck a nerve there... Am I off on my thought? And to be fair I never said it was a for sure it was a self-inflicted Hatred... Be but your response it seems there maybe some truth in there somewhere.. HMMM?

Interesting you choose an old Testament book which is normally meant to serve as a historical account of before Jesus' time... Most Christians abide by the New Testament which is to be used to guide ones life...

I think your trying to reach to hard here

I think you don't actually know your bible.

Jesus specifically says that you should follow the old testament and criticizes people for not following the old commands.

And Jesus could not use the old manual? Are the old Commandments which guide our justice system not a good thing to teach? Of course.. your right... telling people not to steal is wrong...

[Genivaria]

@Genivaria

Sounds like I struck a nerve there... Am I off on my thought? And to be fair I never said it was a for sure it was a self-inflicted Hatred... Be but your response it seems there maybe some truth in there somewhere.. HMMM?

What the hell are you talking about?

[Person012345]

I think you don't actually know your bible.

Jesus specifically says that you should follow the old testament and criticizes people for not following the old commands.

And Jesus could not use the old manual? Are the old Commandments which guide our justice system not a good thing to teach? Of course.. your right... telling people not to steal is wrong...

What. Go read your bible. The things that are written in it are still applicable to you. The specific command that jesus scolds people for not obeying? Stoning their drunken/unruly children. Not the one about stealing.

[Isointania]

Loving the opinions.

[Isointania]

Then perhaps you have blinded yourself out of a self-inflicted hatred which stems from a personal feeling that neither Debate or idle talk will dissuade you. Or maybe you simply do not try to see the moral values some of the OT stories can teach. Rarely does the bible in many facets reveal its underlying meaning directly and to the point. But instead tries to focus its readers to a deeper understanding of the story allowing the reader to apply what was learned to the readers life.

If you do not approach a new doctrine from a completely unbias position you will never fully comprehend its meanings... in otherwords... you find germs in a clean room and blame the builders, but forgot to wash you own hands when you walked in...

out of a self-inflicted hatred

wut? Perhaps you should get yourself a degree in Psychology before you start acting like you can read people.

Deep breath man!

[Genivaria]

wut? Perhaps you should get yourself a degree in Psychology before you start acting like you can read people.

Deep breath man!

What?

[Raven Corps]

Such hostility... it was a simple question... was I wrong?

And in response to your remark, I defended myself by stating I never said it was a for sure self-inflicted hatred... Just a supposed one. But by your post it seems you took it as fact.

[Isointania]

Deep breath man!

What?

Calm down!

[Khelaafa]

He's pastor. Of course he say that. He has right to claim that. No religion claim that another faith is also go to Heaven, except maybe Buddha, or no..

[Genivaria]

Such hostility... it was a simple question... was I wrong?

And in response to your remark, I defended myself by stating I never said it was a for sure self-inflicted hatred... Just a supposed one. But by your post it seems you took it as fact.

Hostility? What? You are making zero sense.

[Genivaria]

What?

Calm down!

What makes you think I'm not? It takes alot more then some wannabe mind-reader to get under my skin.

[Isointania]

And Jesus could not use the old manual? Are the old Commandments which guide our justice system not a good thing to teach? Of course.. your right... telling people not to steal is wrong...

What. Go read your bible. The things that are written in it are still applicable to you. The specific command that jesus scolds people for not obeying? Stoning their drunken/unruly children. Not the one about stealing.

Okay. Please on all sides lets remember to be angry at at the Pastor not christanity.