I Find This Disgusting, Does NationStates?

[Person012345]

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So, Pastor Jerry Newcombe has said that only Christian victims of the tragic Colorado shooting are going to Heaven. Apparently, this is because America has lost it's fear in Hell. I cannot read this without feeling sick to my stomach. It really is, to my mind, diabolical.

'If a Christian dies early, if a Christian dies young, it seems tragic, but really it is not tragic because they are going to a wonderful place ... on the other hand, if a person doesn’t know Jesus Christ ... if they knowingly rejected Jesus Christ, then, basically, they are going to a terrible place.'

I find this vile, disgusting and insulting to the victims of the Colorado shooting. I don't know where Mr Newcombe comes from, but I pretty sure you can't insult dead people like that. Surely, after tragedy like this, the families and loved ones might turn to God for comfort and would be told that their loved one was burning in Hell. Then, after all he has said, he turns this tragedy into opportunity to covert people to Christianity.

'For those who are not ‘in Christ’ and see this incredible tragedy, this would be a good time for soul reflection and consider why have you not accepted Jesus Christ ... I would urge anyone who is not in Christ to repent of your sins.'

You've heard my opinion, now I want to hear yours. What does NationStates think?

Not at all. Isn't that basic christian theology? That non-christians are going to hell? I mean, he needs to stfu and come live in reality, but I can't fault him for saying non-christians are going to hell. And if you're not a christian why would you worry? It's just meaningless noise.

[Eaglleia]

It's his right to say it and to believe it.

Doesn't mean he's not an asshat, though.

This ^

[Hallistar]

I believe its your willingly accepting him as your souls savior for his payment of death for your sins, so that you will not go to hell... thats what he was referring to...

And to be frank yes... I do believe it is wrong to dislike Christianity, unless you dislike the all on the grounds that your dont like religion, or on the fact it is in direct opposition to your current beliefs. This way you dont seem like a bigot

I don't inherently like religion, it's true, I just deeply dislike Abrahamic religions for valid and logical reasons.

[Hallistar]

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So, Pastor Jerry Newcombe has said that only Christian victims of the tragic Colorado shooting are going to Heaven. Apparently, this is because America has lost it's fear in Hell. I cannot read this without feeling sick to my stomach. It really is, to my mind, diabolical.



I find this vile, disgusting and insulting to the victims of the Colorado shooting. I don't know where Mr Newcombe comes from, but I pretty sure you can't insult dead people like that. Surely, after tragedy like this, the families and loved ones might turn to God for comfort and would be told that their loved one was burning in Hell. Then, after all he has said, he turns this tragedy into opportunity to covert people to Christianity.



You've heard my opinion, now I want to hear yours. What does NationStates think?

Not at all. Isn't that basic christian theology? That non-christians are going to hell? I mean, he needs to stfu and come live in reality, but I can't fault him for saying non-christians are going to hell. And if you're not a christian why would you worry? It's just meaningless noise.

Atleast he was being honest I suppose. Not hiding behind that 'inter-faith religious diversity' programs stuff.

[Genivaria]

I believe its your willingly accepting him as your souls savior for his payment of death for your sins, so that you will not go to hell... thats what he was referring to...

And to be frank yes... I do believe it is wrong to dislike Christianity, unless you dislike the all on the grounds that your dont like religion, or on the fact it is in direct opposition to your current beliefs. This way you dont seem like a bigot

Its not bigotry to dislike something for perfectly valid reasons.

[Person012345]

I believe its your willingly accepting him as your souls savior for his payment of death for your sins, so that you will not go to hell... thats what he was referring to...

And to be frank yes... I do believe it is wrong to dislike Christianity, unless you dislike the all on the grounds that your dont like religion, or on the fact it is in direct opposition to your current beliefs. This way you dont seem like a bigot

I dislike religion generally because I dislike lies and I dislike being told what to do by someone I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.

[Raven Corps]

But why should dislike by placed on a graduated scale?

If your going to dislike one, be fair and dislike them all equally and fairly I traditionally do not agree with fully organized religion such as churches or the like, but if you do agree with a certain theology and wish to discipline yourself in said theology or even with a few like minded individuals I see no problems here... I mean Jesus' following was truly only 12... not hundreds.

[Raven Corps]

I believe its your willingly accepting him as your souls savior for his payment of death for your sins, so that you will not go to hell... thats what he was referring to...

And to be frank yes... I do believe it is wrong to dislike Christianity, unless you dislike the all on the grounds that your dont like religion, or on the fact it is in direct opposition to your current beliefs. This way you dont seem like a bigot

Its not bigotry to dislike something for perfectly valid reasons.

If you have truly valid reason, based on a hard tanglible fact or personal experince.. yes

[Raven Corps]

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[Priory Academy USSR]

So, Pastor Jerry Newcombe has said that only Christian victims of the tragic Colorado shooting are going to Heaven.

Surely if you're not a Christian and you don't believe in Heaven (the Christian one at least) you wouldn't care that someone's sending you to Hell because you don't believe it? There's the occasional preacher in my town saying that I'll go to Hell if I don't convert, but I don't care because I don't believe in it.
However, I suppose the worst effect is on their families, if someone there was Christian and they believed everyone went to Heaven, believer or not, they would be very distressed at his views.

[Des-Bal]

If you have truly valid reason, based on a hard tanglible fact or personal experince.. yes

If I meet a person and his core beliefs, the things he bases his life and lifestyle around offend me aren't I justified in hating him? If all members of a religious group hold those beliefs isn't it accurate to say you hate them all?

[Raven Corps]

Now this I do agree... For the families sake it was way to soon...

[Genivaria]

But why should dislike by placed on a graduated scale?

If your going to dislike one, be fair and dislike them all equally and fairly I traditionally do not agree with fully organized religion such as churches or the like, but if you do agree with a certain theology and wish to discipline yourself in said theology or even with a few like minded individuals I see no problems here... I mean Jesus' following was truly only 12... not hundreds.

Why? Not all religions share the reason why I dislike Christianity specifically and the Abrahamic faiths in General.
There is one religion called Jainism which actually IS a Religion of Peace, I have nothing but respect for THAT religion.
I disagree with some of their beliefs of course but that just comes with the territory of being another faith-based religion.

[Hallistar]

But why should dislike by placed on a graduated scale?

If your going to dislike one, be fair and dislike them all equally and fairly I traditionally do not agree with fully organized religion such as churches or the like, but if you do agree with a certain theology and wish to discipline yourself in said theology or even with a few like minded individuals I see no problems here... I mean Jesus' following was truly only 12... not hundreds.

Religion A: Accept the invisible floating sky potato as your lord for something completely arbitrary according to what some supposedly 2000 year old dead guy said or be tortured in searing eternal hell.

Religion B: Magical spirit fairies will take everyone to heaven when we all die, no exceptions.

I would find religion b to be silly and wishful thinking, but I'd dislike religion a more. I don't see why you should dislike all religions at an equal intensity to be 'fair'.

[Genivaria]

If you have truly valid reason, based on a hard tanglible fact or personal experince.. yes

If I meet a person and his core beliefs, the things he bases his life and lifestyle around offend me aren't I justified in hating him? If all members of a religious group hold those beliefs isn't it accurate to say you hate them all?

Perfect example.

[Raven Corps]

If you have truly valid reason, based on a hard tanglible fact or personal experince.. yes

If I meet a person and his core beliefs, the things he bases his life and lifestyle around offend me aren't I justified in hating him? If all members of a religious group hold those beliefs isn't it accurate to say you hate them all?

If one must over generalize... yes.

But every follower of a religion, has slightly varied views on the subject and thus is a different person altogether. I one knew two very different preachers once. One was a man who took the bible literally the other saw it as a guide line to who we should be. One was an asshole.. the other was one of the nicest men I knew and would never know he was a preacher until you came to the conclusion on your own...

two sides to the same coin...

[Person012345]

If you have truly valid reason, based on a hard tanglible fact or personal experince.. yes

If I meet a person and his core beliefs, the things he bases his life and lifestyle around offend me aren't I justified in hating him? If all members of a religious group hold those beliefs isn't it accurate to say you hate them all?

It's unlikely that all members of a religion hold the same beliefs (although that depends on how widely you define a certain religion as being).

[Scohraliya]

Well what else did you expect from a Christian fundie?

[Genivaria]

If I meet a person and his core beliefs, the things he bases his life and lifestyle around offend me aren't I justified in hating him? If all members of a religious group hold those beliefs isn't it accurate to say you hate them all?

It's unlikely that all members of a religion hold the same beliefs (although that depends on how widely you define a certain religion as being).

He didn't say religion he said 'religious group'. Thats alot more specific. Which is why I posted the KKK pic. They're a religious group.

[Raven Corps]

But why should dislike by placed on a graduated scale?

If your going to dislike one, be fair and dislike them all equally and fairly I traditionally do not agree with fully organized religion such as churches or the like, but if you do agree with a certain theology and wish to discipline yourself in said theology or even with a few like minded individuals I see no problems here... I mean Jesus' following was truly only 12... not hundreds.

Why? Not all religions share the reason why I dislike Christianity specifically and the Abrahamic faiths in General.
There is one religion called Jainism which actually IS a Religion of Peace, I have nothing but respect for THAT religion.
I disagree with some of their beliefs of course but that just comes with the territory of being another faith-based religion.

And what of a religion of war? just for hypothetical reasons... imagine there was a religion that literally preached "if it breathes and its not one of our own... kill it."

Would you hate this one more or less then traditional religions of today?

[Des-Bal]

If one must over generalize... yes.

But every follower of a religion, has slightly varied views on the subject and thus is a different person altogether. I one knew two very different preachers once. One was a man who took the bible literally the other saw it as a guide line to who we should be. One was an asshole.. the other was one of the nicest men I knew and would never know he was a preacher until you came to the conclusion on your own...

two sides to the same coin...

"Religious group" was a specific choice of words, I've had this conversation before. If I hate the doctrine of Sola Fide, the belief that only your faith in my god will save you, then don't I hate every Christian sect who believes that?

[Raven Corps]

It's unlikely that all members of a religion hold the same beliefs (although that depends on how widely you define a certain religion as being).

He didn't say religion he said 'religious group'. Thats alot more specific. Which is why I posted the KKK pic. They're a religious group.

And one with very contorted views which I'm sure someone will say are Christian in nature...lol

[Genivaria]

Why? Not all religions share the reason why I dislike Christianity specifically and the Abrahamic faiths in General.
There is one religion called Jainism which actually IS a Religion of Peace, I have nothing but respect for THAT religion.
I disagree with some of their beliefs of course but that just comes with the territory of being another faith-based religion.

And what of a religion of war? just for hypothetical reasons... imagine there was a religion that literally preached "if it breathes and its not one of our own... kill it."

Would you hate this one more or less then traditional religions of today?

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Yes, yes I would hate it.

[Varijnland]

If you are not Christian, why should it matter what this man says? Why should you care?

Because 12 people died. He's being an enormous dick, that is not okay.

Then let him be an enormous dick, no one agrees with him anyway.

[Raven Corps]

If one must over generalize... yes.

But every follower of a religion, has slightly varied views on the subject and thus is a different person altogether. I one knew two very different preachers once. One was a man who took the bible literally the other saw it as a guide line to who we should be. One was an asshole.. the other was one of the nicest men I knew and would never know he was a preacher until you came to the conclusion on your own...

two sides to the same coin...

"Religious group" was a specific choice of words, I've had this conversation before. If I hate the doctrine of Sola Fide, the belief that only your faith in my god will save you, then don't I hate every Christian sect who believes that?

So by this logic the good preacher at the end of my tale receives equal hatred even though he is drastically different then the normally rebuked fire and brim-stone preacher?.. if so then you condemn a good man, who literally gave his life for someone who others would of never batted an eye for.

Most of the time we forget the reasons these religions exist is to give someone a purpose when they cant see the light at the end of the tunnel. Unfortunately most of the time people do not utilize the entirety of what is taught by the religion as a whole...