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[Inzijard]

What does Stalin have to do with anything?

Really?

[Mavorpen]

Ha! Ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ask the Indians of the former Spanish colonies in the Americas about that!

Or Africa when it was being colonized and split up.

[Des-Bal]

1. Yes.

2. Yes.

3. He has a plan. Somehow, He would've influenced circumstances to make his plan happen if they refused to eat the fruit.

So god knew by creating the universe that people would build cities where they have? They would wage war for the reasons they have? If god set the stage and knew what would happen then he's basically Jigsaw the fact he never touched anybody doesn't change the fact it's his fault.

[Mavorpen]

What does Stalin have to do with anything?

Really?

Again, what does Stalin have to do with anything? Stalin's anti-religion was because of his political views, not his religious views.

[Locyrmor]

Simple question, does god know what you'll do before you'll do it?

I am a molinist, so yes.

Did God know that dangling the forbidden fruit in front of Adam and Eve while serpents were about would cause them to eat it?

By the definition of omniscient, yes. However, he never dangled it in front of Adam and Eve, according to Genesis he only said "there are two trees, one is good, one is bad. Don't eat bad tree."

So god knew by creating the universe that people would build cities where they have? They would wage war for the reasons they have? If god set the stage and knew what would happen then he's basically Jigsaw the fact he never touched anybody doesn't change the fact it's his fault.

I don't see how you can attribute guilt to God when these things are the result of people's free decisions.

[Inzijard]

Ha! Ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ask the Indians of the former Spanish colonies in the Americas about that!

God does not seek to be dumped on people, who are coerced into his teachings. What people seek is irrelevant.

I have made it abundantly clear that I am as opposed to what religion has become throughout history as I am atheism.

Again, what does Stalin have to do with anything? Stalin's anti-religion was because of his political views, not his religious views.

Stalin's personal stance on religion

Stalin followed the position adopted by Lenin that religion was an opiate that needed to be removed in order to construct the ideal communist society.

He certainly did it for political reasons, but not because he had no say in the matter. Stalin was an avowed atheist, which is entirely relevant to his campaign.

[Grenartia]

Can't say I'm that shocked; there are people who say ALL of the victims are in Hell.

Indeed. Because no ture Christian would be watching a Batman movie, especially at the ungodly hour of 12am. True Christians can't watch/listen/read anything that doesn't totally 100% blab about God for the entire time, even if the evil secular books/movies/TV/music is more entertaining. Its infinitely more desireable to be bored to death and get sent to Heaven than to be entertained before going to Hell.

Somebody is bound to read this post and think I'm serious, so let me clarify that this post is intended as sarcasm. If you respond to this post thinking I'm serious, and fail to see this disclaimer, then that reflects more on you than me.

[Des-Bal]

I am a molinist, so yes.


By the definition of omniscient, yes. However, he never dangled it in front of Adam and Eve, according to Genesis he only said "there are two trees, one is good, one is bad. Don't eat bad tree."

Do you know what an attractive nuisance is? If I don't fence my pool in and the neighbor kid drowns in it it's my fault.

So god KNEW that if he said there are two trees they WOULD eat from the bad tree?

Wouldn't it make more sense to say "there are two trees, one good and one bad. The Bad Tree is hidden behind an impassable mountain range don't eat it."

[Inzijard]

Can't say I'm that shocked; there are people who say ALL of the victims are in Hell.

Indeed. Because no ture Christian would be watching a Batman movie, especially at the ungodly hour of 12am. True Christians can't watch/listen/read anything that doesn't totally 100% blab about God for the entire time, even if the evil secular books/movies/TV/music is more entertaining. Its infinitely more desireable to be bored to death and get sent to Heaven than to be entertained before going to Hell.

Somebody is bound to read this post and think I'm serious, so let me clarify that this post is intended as sarcasm. If you respond to this post thinking I'm serious, and fail to see this disclaimer, then that reflects more on you than me.

Pretty much. Extremists are ... a different sort, indeed.

I enjoyed the movie though. Aside from the negative publicity surrounding it given a sudden turn of events, that is.

[Mavorpen]

Stalin's personal stance on religion

Stalin followed the position adopted by Lenin that religion was an opiate that needed to be removed in order to construct the ideal communist society.

He certainly did it for political reasons, but not because he had no say in the matter. Stalin was an avowed atheist, which is entirely relevant to his campaign.

Again, no it wasn't because he did it for pure political reasons. Did you know that in 1941 when Nazi Germany attacked, he revived the Russian Orthodox Church to increase patriotism? If he was such a horrible man driven by his atheism, why would he bring back religion when he needed a political boost? The answer is that atheism had jack shit to do with it.

[Locyrmor]

Actually, when they think that an act of bigotry is somehow an act of love, then yes, one can be a devout Christian bigot.

What they think does not represent the biblical definition of love, however. Paul gives a pretty good description of Love somewhere (I can't recall it at this time).

Do you know what an attractive nuisance is? If I don't fence my pool in and the neighbor kid drowns in it it's my fault.

Except that kids do not need to be able to drown in order to allow the exercise of free will.

If it was impossible to not follow God, then we wouldn't have any decisions to freely make.

So god KNEW that if he said there are two trees they WOULD eat from the bad tree?

That is what I just said.

Wouldn't it make more sense to say "there are two trees, one good and one bad. The Bad Tree is hidden behind an impassable mountain range don't eat it."

That would limit free will because Adam and Eve would be forced to only eat from the good tree.

[The Rich Port]

Heh heh, it's funny because more and more people are leaving the Christianity every year.

... I feel sad now.

[The Kadeshi Alliance]

Stalin's personal stance on religion

Stalin followed the position adopted by Lenin that religion was an opiate that needed to be removed in order to construct the ideal communist society.

He certainly did it for political reasons, but not because he had no say in the matter. Stalin was an avowed atheist, which is entirely relevant to his campaign.

Again, no it wasn't because he did it for pure political reasons. Did you know that in 1941 when Nazi Germany attacked, he revived the Russian Orthodox Church to increase patriotism? If he was such a horrible man driven by his atheism, why would he bring back religion when he needed a political boost? The answer is that atheism had jack shit to do with it.

Further, I point to the fact that the Modern Russian Orthodox Church seems to think quite highly of him.

[Adafdfadfasdf]

Can't say I'm that shocked; there are people who say ALL of the victims are in Hell.

Indeed. Because no ture Christian would be watching a Batman movie, especially at the ungodly hour of 12am. True Christians can't watch/listen/read anything that doesn't totally 100% blab about God for the entire time, even if the evil secular books/movies/TV/music is more entertaining. Its infinitely more desireable to be bored to death and get sent to Heaven than to be entertained before going to Hell.

Somebody is bound to read this post and think I'm serious, so let me clarify that this post is intended as sarcasm. If you respond to this post thinking I'm serious, and fail to see this disclaimer, then that reflects more on you than me.

I once had the following conversation with an evangelical regarding secular entertainment:

E: You have to either be "of God" or "of the world".
Me: Didn't God make the world and call it "good".
E: That's not the point.
Me: <slow blink>

[Aquophia]

This is pretty tame compared to what could have been said. I was expecting some sort of WBC "god did this because we let fags roam free." statement.

[Priori]

What did you expect? Compassion?

[Mavorpen]

Further, I point to the fact that the Modern Russian Orthodox Church seems to think quite highly of him.

I don't even bother trying to make sense of these people anymore.

[Des-Bal]

Do you know what an attractive nuisance is? If I don't fence my pool in and the neighbor kid drowns in it it's my fault.

Except that kids do not need to be able to drown in order to allow the exercise of free will.

If it was impossible to not follow God, then we wouldn't have any decisions to freely make.

So god KNEW that if he said there are two trees they WOULD eat from the bad tree?

That is what I just said.

Wouldn't it make more sense to say "there are two trees, one good and one bad. The Bad Tree is hidden behind an impassable mountain range don't eat it."

That would limit free will because Adam and Eve would be forced to only eat from the good tree.

They didn't have any real choice. God knew what they would do if he set both trees out and he did it anyway. That's called setting someone up.

[The Kadeshi Alliance]

Further, I point to the fact that the Modern Russian Orthodox Church seems to think quite highly of him.

I don't even bother trying to make sense of these people anymore.

You're probably right.

[Occupied Deutschland]

This is pretty tame compared to what could have been said. I was expecting some sort of WBC "god did this because we let fags roam free." statement.

I think that one was already up and going on Friday.

[Locyrmor]

Heh heh, it's funny because more and more people are leaving the Christianity every year.

... I feel sad now.

Belief in God is rising in some countries. Primarily ex.soviet countries and the like. I have a spreadsheet somewhere on my main computer.

But you are right in saying that it's happening in many countries. I'm don't know about the increase/decrease when summed up but it can be calculated.

However, it would fallacious to claim that this has any bearing on the truth of either claim.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Does seem a little mean towards non belivers, but he has every right in the world to say it. And as a Christian, I belive what he said, exept maybe a little less extreme.

[Grenartia]

Actually, when they think that an act of bigotry is somehow an act of love, then yes, one can be a devout Christian bigot.

What they think does not represent the biblical definition of love, however. Paul gives a pretty good description of Love somewhere (I can't recall it at this time).

Exactly.

Indeed. Because no ture Christian would be watching a Batman movie, especially at the ungodly hour of 12am. True Christians can't watch/listen/read anything that doesn't totally 100% blab about God for the entire time, even if the evil secular books/movies/TV/music is more entertaining. Its infinitely more desireable to be bored to death and get sent to Heaven than to be entertained before going to Hell.

Somebody is bound to read this post and think I'm serious, so let me clarify that this post is intended as sarcasm. If you respond to this post thinking I'm serious, and fail to see this disclaimer, then that reflects more on you than me.

Pretty much. Extremists are ... a different sort, indeed.

I enjoyed the movie though. Aside from the negative publicity surrounding it given a sudden turn of events, that is.

I haven't been able to watch a new movie due to financial circumstances since November 2010.

I haven't had an opportunity to watch any of the movies in the current series, and would prefer to watch the first two before watching this one. That way I get everything when I see this one.

[Inzijard]

Again, no it wasn't because he did it for pure political reasons. Did you know that in 1941 when Nazi Germany attacked, he revived the Russian Orthodox Church to increase patriotism? If he was such a horrible man driven by his atheism, why would he bring back religion when he needed a political boost? The answer is that atheism had jack shit to do with it.

Stalin needed men to keep Moscow from speaking German after Operation Barbarossa.

He was a smart man. His political facades were nothing more than propaganda. When it meant making religion look like it was well and fine in the USSR, he did what it took to do so. That did not change what he firmly believed and what he would pursue if given the chance to do so once again. Sure his personal beliefs were set aside temporarily, but that's irrelevant. His crusade against religion for several decades previous is testament to that.

[Grenartia]

Indeed. Because no ture Christian would be watching a Batman movie, especially at the ungodly hour of 12am. True Christians can't watch/listen/read anything that doesn't totally 100% blab about God for the entire time, even if the evil secular books/movies/TV/music is more entertaining. Its infinitely more desireable to be bored to death and get sent to Heaven than to be entertained before going to Hell.

Somebody is bound to read this post and think I'm serious, so let me clarify that this post is intended as sarcasm. If you respond to this post thinking I'm serious, and fail to see this disclaimer, then that reflects more on you than me.

I once had the following conversation with an evangelical regarding secular entertainment:

E: You have to either be "of God" or "of the world".
Me: Didn't God make the world and call it "good".
E: That's not the point.
Me: <slow blink>

Yeah. Exactly.