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Postby No Water No Moon » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:36 am

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Bone-dry chicken sandwich devoid of anything that might resemble taste.

Seriously, there is more in KFC's chicken and in general I consider KFC's chicken meat to be water's other solid form.

You really don't like Chick-Fil-A? :blink:

I always thought their chicken was pretty good. If you like salad-ish things, try a wrap. Especially the spicy one.


Their biscuits are okay. Good enough for me to sponsor political action against marriage equality? No.
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Postby Abatael » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:36 am

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Well, I was referring to tasty food, and similar viewpoints.


So all someone has to do is say they hate the gay, and you'll buy their food (no matter how bland?) - that makes you a really easy demographic to market to.


Perhaps you missed the first section about them having tasty food.

Edit: If we have similar viewpoints, I'll support them. If we have similar viewpoints, and they have nice product, I'll but from them, and support them.
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Postby No Water No Moon » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:36 am

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It'll be an interesting one to watch, for sure - they did block a Wal-Mart expansion plan last year, by claiming it would have a negative impact.


but they weren't targeting walmart for speech, they were targeting it for being a big box mart.

Now if they block chikfila then allow a KFC in a simalr location, Chikfila has a mayor on the record saying he will try to block them for speaking.
Not a very good case for the City of Boston.


He can argue it would have a 'negative impact'. It has the advantage of precedent.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:37 am

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but they weren't targeting walmart for speech, they were targeting it for being a big box mart.

Now if they block chikfila then allow a KFC in a simalr location, Chikfila has a mayor on the record saying he will try to block them for speaking.
Not a very good case for the City of Boston.


He can argue it would have a 'negative impact'. It has the advantage of precedent.

It would have a negative impact, but a competitor in the exact same bussiness would not. Yeah yeah good luck with that.
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So all someone has to do is say they hate the gay, and you'll buy their food (no matter how bland?) - that makes you a really easy demographic to market to.


Perhaps you missed the first section about them having tasty food.


They don't. They have bland food, with one or two decent items. They weren't your favorite restaurant, by your own admission. You're allowing your bias to influence your opinion about taste.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:39 am

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So all someone has to do is say they hate the gay, and you'll buy their food (no matter how bland?) - that makes you a really easy demographic to market to.


Perhaps you missed the first section about them having tasty food.
But it's not even that good. It's dry tasteless chicken with dry tasteless breading and on a dry tasteless bun...with two pickles that are soggier than the ones you get from McDonalds.

Even when they try and spice up their recipes it's not even good, just a customary tingling to indicate some sort of spice then..you guessed it, dry tastelessness again.
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:39 am

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Northern Dominus wrote: I know, I can't figure it out for the life of me. I mean Popeye's AND KFC both have more flavor in their chicken than Capricious Zealouts-A, so how in the blue hell have they survived?

They have survived because unlike KFC and Popeye's they actually have some customer service. They treat you like a person not a number.

It's a very well-documented phenomenon in business research.


Every Chick Fil-A I've been to has had pickle-counting, tightwad managers rationing out condiments and giving you dirty looks, as well as disgustingly dirty seating and a pretty unwelcoming atmosphere. It's not that great of a place, at all.
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Postby No Water No Moon » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:39 am

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No Water No Moon wrote:
He can argue it would have a 'negative impact'. It has the advantage of precedent.

It would have a negative impact, but a competitor in the exact same bussiness would not. Yeah yeah good luck with that.


Like I said, it will be one to watch.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:40 am

No Water No Moon wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Well, I was referring to tasty food, and similar viewpoints.


So all someone has to do is say they hate the gay, and you'll buy their food (no matter how bland?) - that makes you a really easy demographic to market to.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:40 am

No Water No Moon wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:You really don't like Chick-Fil-A? :blink:

I always thought their chicken was pretty good. If you like salad-ish things, try a wrap. Especially the spicy one.


Their biscuits are okay. Good enough for me to sponsor political action against marriage equality? No.

I can see the political ads now:
Announcer: "Please agree with us that gay people don't deserve the same rights as straight people!"
Potential Customer: "Uhhh..."
Announcer: "We have biiiisssscccuiiittsss!"
Potential Customer: "Well shit, sign me up. I always hated me some gay folks."

I usually don't care what political message a restaurant shouts as long as a place's food is good. There isn't a Chick-Fil-A anywhere near me however, so no ethical quandary for me....
I'll just eat at KFC.
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Postby Abatael » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:41 am

No Water No Moon wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Perhaps you missed the first section about them having tasty food.


They don't. They have bland food, with one or two decent items. They weren't your favorite restaurant, by your own admission. You're allowing your bias to influence your opinion about taste.


No, actually, I've always liked their food. I never had a favorite fast food restaurant until now. And, you may not like their food, but I actually always have, and, now, with us sharing views, I have established them as my favorite.
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Postby Adafdfadfasdf » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:41 am

Abatael wrote:Perhaps you missed the first section about them having tasty food.


We must have a different opinion of "tasty".

But then, I have a $600 jar of caviar in my fridge right now. Having a dinner party on Wednesday, and need something as a hor's d'oeuvre.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:42 am

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Some how I think Disney might be amused by that concept, saying they own those rights and Disney don't play fair.

No kidding. Ever want to know how long copyrights are good for? Check how old Mickey Mouse is. Every time the mouse gets close, Disney gets the length of time moved up. They're the 800 pound mouse in the room.

I think a smarter system would be "as long as you make regular use and then X years thereafter". What do you say?
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:42 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:They have survived because unlike KFC and Popeye's they actually have some customer service. They treat you like a person not a number.

It's a very well-documented phenomenon in business research.


Every Chick Fil-A I've been to has had pickle-counting, tightwad managers rationing out condiments and giving you dirty looks, as well as disgustingly dirty seating and a pretty unwelcoming atmosphere. It's not that great of a place, at all.

Every one I've been in is extremely clean - cleaner than any other fast food restaurant - with nice service, where the manager will occasionally come out, ask if you need a drink and how you like your food.

I guess it depends on the location.
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Postby Abatael » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:43 am

Northern Dominus wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Perhaps you missed the first section about them having tasty food.
But it's not even that good. It's dry tasteless chicken with dry tasteless breading and on a dry tasteless bun...with two pickles that are soggier than the ones you get from McDonalds.

Even when they try and spice up their recipes it's not even good, just a customary tingling to indicate some sort of spice then..you guessed it, dry tastelessness again.


Ok, I don't know where you go to get your food, but the one I go to has much better food.
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Adafdfadfasdf wrote:
Abatael wrote:Perhaps you missed the first section about them having tasty food.


We must have a different opinion of "tasty".

But then, I have a $600 jar of caviar in my fridge right now. Having a dinner party on Wednesday, and need something as a hor's d'oeuvre.


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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:44 am

No Water No Moon wrote:
greed and death wrote:It would have a negative impact, but a competitor in the exact same bussiness would not. Yeah yeah good luck with that.


Like I said, it will be one to watch.

I dont know how intresting watching Boston write a 5 million dollar check in the settlement deal and watch Chik fila-a deposit it into their hate fund, is to you, but it is not intresting at all to me.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:44 am

Wikkiwallana wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:No kidding. Ever want to know how long copyrights are good for? Check how old Mickey Mouse is. Every time the mouse gets close, Disney gets the length of time moved up. They're the 800 pound mouse in the room.

I think a smarter system would be "as long as you make regular use and then X years thereafter". What do you say?

I've always thought so, but I'm not a lawyer or lobbyist for Disney. Hell, it's been years since I found out that nugget, I haven't kept up, maybe that's what they're advocating or doing now. I just know it was true at the time.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:44 am

Northern Dominus wrote:
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I'm just the opposite. I wish there was one in my town so I could actively -not- go there.
I'll do you one better. I'll make you a startup partner in this restaurant chain I have in mind. All of the service staff will be scantily clad (male and female, equal opportunity titillation after all.), play nothing but uncensored gangster rap and heavy metal during business hours even on the patio, offer special incentives and specials on sundays, and make it a policy of hiring the best students from culinary school and encourage them to make the tastiest food they can.

Locations? Well how about across from or next to every single Chik-fil-A in the nation, including the malls?

Haven't come up for a name for this place yet....maybe this is where NSG really shows its worth.

Will you offer delivery? Because I'm not going inside anywhere with that sound track.
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The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote: I'll do you one better. I'll make you a startup partner in this restaurant chain I have in mind. All of the service staff will be scantily clad (male and female, equal opportunity titillation after all.), play nothing but uncensored gangster rap and heavy metal during business hours even on the patio, offer special incentives and specials on sundays, and make it a policy of hiring the best students from culinary school and encourage them to make the tastiest food they can.

Locations? Well how about across from or next to every single Chik-fil-A in the nation, including the malls?

Haven't come up for a name for this place yet....maybe this is where NSG really shows its worth.


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Postby No Water No Moon » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:46 am

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They don't. They have bland food, with one or two decent items. They weren't your favorite restaurant, by your own admission. You're allowing your bias to influence your opinion about taste.


No, actually, I've always liked their food. I never had a favorite fast food restaurant until now. And, you may not like their food, but I actually always have, and, now, with us sharing views, I have established them as my favorite.


Which is fine. Like I said earlier, businesses love demographics that they can tap without having to market to them, and that will be brand-loyal regardless of whether you target your product. In your case, they know they don't need to improve their product, because the actual product itself is only a fraction of why you are brand-loyal - which makes you a wonderful addition to their bottomline.

You like their message, you choose to buy their products. I dislike their message, and I won't buy their products.

That's all fair and fine. That's the power of the market. People will 'vote' with their wallets.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:46 am

Arkinesia wrote:I love how a businessman now can say “I personally believe in traditional marriage” and say nothing else and yet he gets labeled a homophobe and the business he manages is equivocated to Westboro Baptist Church.

The reaction to this Baptist Press interview has been nothing short of sickening to me, as someone who campaigns for LGBT rights. With this overreaction we are just adding fuel to our opponents' fires. It doesn't help the people we are trying to help.

Well, they have provided free catering to an anti-LGBT event in the past. Looking up the specifics will take me a little bit, but I'd be glad to do it after my dentist appointment.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:47 am

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No Water No Moon wrote:
Their biscuits are okay. Good enough for me to sponsor political action against marriage equality? No.

I can see the political ads now:
Announcer: "Please agree with us that gay people don't deserve the same rights as straight people!"
Potential Customer: "Uhhh..."
Announcer: "We have biiiisssscccuiiittsss!"
Potential Customer: "Well shit, sign me up. I always hated me some gay folks."

I usually don't care what political message a restaurant shouts as long as a place's food is good. There isn't a Chick-Fil-A anywhere near me however, so no ethical quandary for me....
I'll just eat at KFC.
Screw that, all my chicken needs that I'm too lazy to take care of myself can be sustained courtesy of Harold's Chicken Shack. Buy local, it tastes better and doesn't taste like prejudiced pious asshat.
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Postby No Water No Moon » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:48 am

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Like I said, it will be one to watch.

I dont know how intresting watching Boston write a 5 million dollar check in the settlement deal and watch Chik fila-a deposit it into their hate fund, is to you, but it is not intresting at all to me.


I don't think it will happen.

I'm not convinced that Chick Fil A will want to risk the bad publicity anytime soon. If they do, I'm not convinced Boston will actually force it to a showdown. If they do, I think they've got a reasonable chance of pushing their 'negative' angle.
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Postby Abatael » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:48 am

No Water No Moon wrote:
Abatael wrote:
No, actually, I've always liked their food. I never had a favorite fast food restaurant until now. And, you may not like their food, but I actually always have, and, now, with us sharing views, I have established them as my favorite.


Which is fine. Like I said earlier, businesses love demographics that they can tap without having to market to them, and that will be brand-loyal regardless of whether you target your product. In your case, they know they don't need to improve their product, because the actual product itself is only a fraction of why you are brand-loyal - which makes you a wonderful addition to their bottomline.

You like their message, you choose to buy their products. I dislike their message, and I won't buy their products.

That's all fair and fine. That's the power of the market. People will 'vote' with their wallets.


I just want to be clear with you. I actually like their product, regardless of their beliefs, they have excellent service, and we have similar views. That's all the reason I need to go there.
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