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Lerro wrote:

Arumdaum wrote:Really? Even three highly conservative newspapers said that a majority of Koreans were against it.

It also greatly restricts political freedom, thus restricting democracy.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Act_(South_Korea)

"Some poll results in 2004-2005 from the media cartel informally dubbed Chojoongdong show that more than half of the Korean people are against the abolition of the act and, so, the dispute continues."

Even if the polls are biased, many successive governments freely elected have neglected to repeal the act.

Agh, read it wrong.

And wrong. Check the sentence before that. '

In 2004, legislators of the then-majority Uri Party made a gesture to annul the law, but failed in the face owing to Grand National Party opposition.

Even so, it still restricts the situation of democracy and human rights in SK, even if governments elected through democratic means haven't repealed it yet.

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:

Samuraikoku wrote:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA24/003/2009/en

IF that's true - which again, I don't take lying han-jaes at their word - it's the moral equivalent of the Nuremberg Trials as far as I'm concerned. No mercy to the enemies of the workers' liberation.

Did you just compare the non-existent oppression of workers to the holocaust? Take a look at the shithole known as North Korea boddy.

You don't care about human rights at all. I do, because I lived under a totalitarian dictatorship for a lot of my life, unlike you, so I have a frame of reference. I base my views on human rights on the Universal Declaration. You base yours on what now?

I'll put it this way: I subscribe to "absolute morality" of sorts. Whatever action advances the interests of the working class in its revolution is "good". Whatever action hinders it is "evil".

You're not consistent at all. You're condemning other nations for the same crimes they committed years ago that the Totalitarian North commits every day.

Because, again, I don't claim to have unwavering support for "human rights" as neoliberals define them. It's just about class interest to me. That, and that alone, is my determining factor.

The Totalitarian North has committed thousands of acts of brutality upon its own people and continues to. The fact that you just stated your open love of crime against people who don't support you or your poisonous ideology is evidence enough that you're nothing but a Fascist.

I support the working class. Anyone who wants to relegate us to a position akin to slavery to a parasitic capitalist class must be overcome through any means necessary. And Man-se! to anyone fighting for such ends!

Lerro wrote:

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:
IF that's true - which again, I don't take lying han-jaes at their word - it's the moral equivalent of the Nuremberg Trials as far as I'm concerned. No mercy to the enemies of the workers' liberation.

That's how communists truly think and behave?

This is why I don't give a damn about communists wailing about anti-communist repression.

Arumdaum wrote:

Lerro wrote:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Act_(South_Korea)

"Some poll results in 2004-2005 from the media cartel informally dubbed Chojoongdong show that more than half of the Korean people are against the abolition of the act and, so, the dispute continues."

Even if the polls are biased, many successive governments freely elected have neglected to repeal the act.

Agh, read it wrong.

And wrong. Check the sentence before that. '

In 2004, legislators of the then-majority Uri Party made a gesture to annul the law, but failed in the face owing to Grand National Party opposition.

Even so, it still restricts the situation of democracy and human rights in SK, even if governments elected through democratic means haven't repealed it yet.

It doesn't restrict free elections. Perhaps there are some people unfairly prosecuted as Nork agents, but overall human rights in South Korea are safeguarded.

The fact that the Uri Party was a majority and still failed indicates a lack of public outrage over the law.

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:Certainly. And thank you for being civil, unlike so many others here. ^__^

I'll believe it when I see it.

To me, it's rather straightforward. I am a member of the working class.

As am I, granted I have no employment. So I'm not being "exploited" as you so feverishly claim.

As such, it is in my interest - as well as the billions of others in my class - to oppose the capitalist-imperialist system.

If it was within the interests of billions of other workers to oppose the so-called "capitalist-imperialist system", then such a revolution would have occurred and capitalism would have ground to a halt. Granted, millions of workers worldwide need support and better rights for themselves. But to call for the downfall of the system which gives them employment as opposed to rotting away in slums like so many millions of other people worldwide or even becoming criminals and becoming involved in heinous practices and trades.

I also want a response from you that isn't comprised entirely of rhetoric. I want facts, not excrement.

Ganos Lao wrote:

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:
It is my greatest desire to destroy the capitalist-imperialist system and thereby enact socialism by any means necessary. How, pray tell, can one be more revolutionary than such?

By actually being devoted to helping the working class?

And the enemy of the working class is the parasitic capitalist class - the class I'm attempting to destroy, and thus liberate them.

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:

Zaharawi wrote:
Is your argument that just because you have democratic in your title, you are officially a democratic country? This is certainly not the case. Far from the truth.

Didn't say as much, but in this case, it's accurate.

But fine, if you insist. I support The-Korea-That-Supports-The-Interests-Of-The-Working-Class-And-Fights-Imperialism and fuck Occupied-Anti-Workers-Parasitic-Capitalist-Korea's government. Just takes a lot longer to say as much.

Both are referring to the same Korea. o.O

Arumdaum wrote:

Lerro wrote:
That's how communists truly think and behave?

This is why I don't give a damn about communists wailing about anti-communist repression.

What? He just defended butchering hundreds of thousands of people.

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:

Ganos Lao wrote:
The issue is that you're not at all part of any such "liberation" movement.

It is my greatest desire to destroy the capitalist-imperialist system and thereby enact socialism by any means necessary. How, pray tell, can one be more revolutionary than such?

By killing innocent people? By closing up a countries borders?

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:

Ganos Lao wrote:
By actually being devoted to helping the working class?

And the enemy of the working class is the parasitic capitalist class - the class I'm attempting to destroy, and thus liberate them.

Dude, you're more of an obstacle to the final victory of socialism than I could ever be, and I'm a fucking corporatist who plans on actively subverting class warfare.

That's saying something.

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:

Ganos Lao wrote:
By actually being devoted to helping the working class?

And the enemy of the working class is the parasitic capitalist class - the class I'm attempting to destroy, and thus liberate them.

How are you attempting anything?

Posting nonsense on NSG and supporting the ideals of a failed state does not a liberation make.

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:I support the working class. Anyone who wants to relegate us to a position akin to slavery

You support North Korea. You shouldn't be talking like this.

In North Korea, you can't even let your hair grow the way you like it. Yet it's where the worker is truly free, eh?

Lerro wrote:That's how communists truly think and behave?

Only a very select minority of people actually believe this.

Chinese Regions wrote:

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:
It is my greatest desire to destroy the capitalist-imperialist system and thereby enact socialism by any means necessary. How, pray tell, can one be more revolutionary than such?

By killing innocent people? By closing up a countries borders?

Are nazi-supporters "innocent"? Are slavery advocates "innocent"? Why then are those who promote yet another form of exploitation of the working class, "innocent"? Anyone who wishes to reduce the working class to exploitation and impede their efforts at liberation is by definition an enemy of my class interests, and thus gets no sympathy from me.

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:Anyone who wishes to reduce the working class to exploitation and impede their efforts at liberation is by definition an enemy of my class interests, and thus gets no sympathy from me.

I see you hate yourself an awful lot then.

Ganos Lao wrote:

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:
And the enemy of the working class is the parasitic capitalist class - the class I'm attempting to destroy, and thus liberate them.

How are you attempting anything?

Posting nonsense on NSG and supporting the ideals of a failed state does not a liberation make.

Ehh... I have some ideas. Not really keen on discussing them with non-vanguards though.

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:

I'll put it this way: I subscribe to "absolute morality" of sorts. Whatever action advances the interests of the working class in its revolution is "good". Whatever action hinders it is "evil".

I'm not disputing your ideological subscriptions (to each their own), rather, the issue lies with what you have pegged as "good" and "evil".
North Korea is neither good, nor evil. It is a state, which, like all others, cannot be simplified to something as black-and-white as your moral perceptions.

Ganos Lao wrote:

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:Anyone who wishes to reduce the working class to exploitation and impede their efforts at liberation is by definition an enemy of my class interests, and thus gets no sympathy from me.

I see you hate yourself an awful lot then.

I *support* the workers.

Costa Fiero wrote:

Lerro wrote:That's how communists truly think and behave?

Only a very select minority of people actually believe this.

Of people? Of course.

Being a communist however, means you share the aims and goals of such gentlemen as Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, etc.

After the suffering millions of people in Eastern Europe went through, being a communist is almost as egregious as Neo-Nazism. Why wouldn't they be fine with mass-murder? Name one Communist regime that didn't need to kill to stay in power.

The Joseon Dynasty wrote:

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:

I'm not disputing your ideological subscriptions (to each their own), rather, the issue lies with what you have pegged as "good" and "evil".
North Korea is neither good, nor evil. It is a state, which, like all others, cannot be simplified to something as black-and-white as your moral perceptions.

It supports my class interests, so I in turn support it. *shrugs*

I really don't see why this is such a hard concept for everyone in this thread to grasp.

Lerro wrote:

Arumdaum wrote:Agh, read it wrong.

And wrong. Check the sentence before that. '



Even so, it still restricts the situation of democracy and human rights in SK, even if governments elected through democratic means haven't repealed it yet.

It doesn't restrict free elections. Perhaps there are some people unfairly prosecuted as Nork agents, but overall human rights in South Korea are safeguarded.

The fact that the Uri Party was a majority and still failed indicates a lack of public outrage over the law.

It does restrict free elections. Communists and supporters of North Korea are unable to vote for their interests.

In November 2010, a woman was sentenced to two years in prison for the possession of MP3s of instrumental music, on the grounds that the titles constituted praise of North Korea, notwithstanding the actual music's lack of lyrics.[15]

^ Totally a Nork agent, amirite?

The Electronic Frontier Foundation has criticized the Korea Communications Standards Commission for proposing censorship of the blog of an internet free speech activist.[7][8]

^ Another Nork agent, right?

In 2007, numerous bloggers were censored, arrested, and their posts deleted by police for expressing criticism of, or even support for, certain presidential candidates.[11] Subsequently in 2008, just before a new presidential election, new legislation that required all major internet portal sites to require identity verification of their users was put into effect.[12]

^ All just a bunch of Nork agents.

On February 15th 2011, a university professor in Handong Global University was penalized for criticizing Lee Myung-bak and the university chancellor.[4]

^ Oh no! NK agents have infiltrated SK's universities!

In September 2007, Democratic Labor Party activist Kim Kang-pil was sentenced to one year in prison for discussing North Korea on the party's website.[3]

Let's also not forget the previous ban on Japanese cultural products as well which lasted until 2004.

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:

Ganos Lao wrote:
How are you attempting anything?

Posting nonsense on NSG and supporting the ideals of a failed state does not a liberation make.

Ehh... I have some ideas. Not really keen on discussing them with non-vanguards though.

I'm all for worker's rights. But unlike you, and people like you, I tend to look to ideas that aren't rooted in absurdity.

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:

Ganos Lao wrote:
How are you attempting anything?

Posting nonsense on NSG and supporting the ideals of a failed state does not a liberation make.

Ehh... I have some ideas. Not really keen on discussing them with non-vanguards though.

Excuse me, unrelated question but why does your name translate to 'independent Japan'.

I find myself curious why anyone support either Korea would have such a name.

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:

Chinese Regions wrote:By killing innocent people? By closing up a countries borders?

Are nazi-supporters "innocent"? Are slavery advocates "innocent"? Why then are those who promote yet another form of exploitation of the working class, "innocent"? Anyone who wishes to reduce the working class to exploitation and impede their efforts at liberation is by definition an enemy of my class interests, and thus gets no sympathy from me.

And what's North Korea doing? Starving it's population with it's corrupted socialism, working it's citizens to death, tell me how that's not emulation of the Nazis and advocating slavery?