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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:33 pm

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Seeing you paint the Empire-born-from-Kami in a communist way is disturbing and absolutely horrible.


You know the Japanese Imperial Line has Korean blood in it if you go back far enough, right?


Yes, and Queen Elizabeth probably has a few traces of Genghis Khan's DNA in her blood. The question that we should be asking is, does it really matter all that much?
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Postby Costa Fiero » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:33 pm

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:Well, the revolution hasn't started yet. That's all. Still time to join the winning side if you'd like. ^__^


Don't make us laugh. If there was such a movement with such widespread support, i.e in the "billions" as you so claim, it would have happened already. Not the sheer mass of condemnation of you and your views even by other communists.

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Postby Caninope » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:33 pm

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Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:Most of those sort of things are along the lines of trying to preserve Korean culture, and thus are applicable only to their nation's historical and material conditions. There wouldn't be much point in emulating such in non-Korean nations unless it also fit their cultural and material conditions.


One of my good friends is a Korean. I have never heard her tell me that her culture mandates a specific way of trimming one's hair.

From what I've read, it seems like some belief that long hair = Western domination.

Which is rather funny, because here in the South (or where I've been born and raised), most every male from a family originating the in area cuts their hair fairly short.

And it's us Southerners who are usually the ones talking about killin' dem dern commies! :p
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Postby Lerro » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:33 pm

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They all claim(ed) to be something they're not.

The Free Territory and the CNT-TAI were neither states claiming to be anything, unlike NK.


The architects of both those... territories claimed to be anarchists.

Anyway, I'm off to dinner.

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Postby The Merchant Republics » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:33 pm

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You fail political science my friend. Of those options, only one is an economic model, the other two are political models which may or may not apply to specific economic types. And you mean social democracy, socialist democracy is not a functional term. Democratic socialism is however, but here Kim Jon-un is specifically said to be making reforms economically.

I'm talking about the Command-Market paradigm.North Korea has the lowest market freedom in the world, they have nowhere to go but towards greater economic freedom. Even if it is still in a socialist blend, whether a post-Juche Korea will just adopt minor measures or actually move towards the White Cat Capitalism of China is uncertain, but I'm hopeful for greater freedom to the Korean People in any measure.


Not necessarily. They might be worst in relation to everyone else, but that doesn't mean they can't dig deeper.


Well aren't you the optimist... :p

Yes, but even if the reforms are just "we shall beat the penal workers one less day a week" it would be a marked improvement.
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Postby ArUmdAUM » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:34 pm

Caninope wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
One of my good friends is a Korean. I have never heard her tell me that her culture mandates a specific way of trimming one's hair.

From what I've read, it seems like some belief that long hair = Western domination.

Which is rather funny, because here in the South (or where I've been born and raised), most every male from a family originating the in area cuts their hair fairly short.

And it's us Southerners who are usually the ones talking about killin' dem dern commies! :p

The short haircut style in Korea is an import from the west, as I've previously specified.
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Postby Caninope » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:35 pm

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Caninope wrote:Which is rather funny, because here in the South (or where I've been born and raised), most every male from a family originating the in area cuts their hair fairly short.

And it's us Southerners who are usually the ones talking about killin' dem dern commies! :p

The short haircut style in Korea is an import from the west, as I've previously specified.

Sorry, I hadn't yet seen your post.
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Postby Costa Fiero » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:35 pm

Arumdaum wrote:Even so, names mean nothing. And North Korea isn't communist. At all.


I'm not even sure it is a military state, seeing as Kim Jong-un has decided to wrestle control from the military because Daddy Kim was too sick/inept to actually run the country himself.

So who has actual control there? The military or Kim?

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Postby ArUmdAUM » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:35 pm

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Arumdaum wrote:The Free Territory and the CNT-TAI were neither states claiming to be anything, unlike NK.


The architects of both those... territories claimed to be anarchists.

Anyway, I'm off to dinner.

Where? And how are they not anarchist?

Or do you not know that every communist is an anarchist?
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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:37 pm

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Nothing. It is democratic. The only reason why it looks like a dictatorship, is because southern Korea spreads propaganda that northern Korea oppresses its people, and gets NATO to believe it.


Then why is the average North Koean shorter than the average South Korean? Seeing as how the two peoples have the same ethnic heritage, they should have the same (or very close) average height if they have the same conditions. The only thing that could explain the difference in height is a lack of nutrition. Meaning that the North Korean government, through sheer incompetence and mismanagement, regularly denies its citizens essential food. And as it refuses to negotiate to any reasonable degree with foreign powers to get food, and most likely wastes what little aid it does get, it does not have a right to exist, because it consistently shows that it is incapable of serving its people.


If you are wondering why South Koreans are taller than North Koreans, four words: growth hormones in food. Their government places the growth hormones into the food, of course. North Korea, however does NOT, and I repeat, does NOT deny any access to food whatsoever. You obviously need to start watching the KCNA and start reading Globe Magazine, for they are far more reliable than mainstream media. If there is a nation that is incompetent and mismanaging things, it is southern Korea.

And actually, Korea does have a right to exist, because it serves its peoples well. The Koreans under the reign of the "Lee Myung-Bak Syndicate," yearn to unite with Korea, under Juche.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:40 pm

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Then why is the average North Koean shorter than the average South Korean? Seeing as how the two peoples have the same ethnic heritage, they should have the same (or very close) average height if they have the same conditions. The only thing that could explain the difference in height is a lack of nutrition. Meaning that the North Korean government, through sheer incompetence and mismanagement, regularly denies its citizens essential food. And as it refuses to negotiate to any reasonable degree with foreign powers to get food, and most likely wastes what little aid it does get, it does not have a right to exist, because it consistently shows that it is incapable of serving its people.


If you are wondering why South Koreans are taller than North Koreans, four words: growth hormones in food. Their government places the growth hormones into the food, of course. North Korea, however does NOT, and I repeat, does NOT deny any access to food whatsoever. You obviously need to start watching the KCNA and start reading Globe Magazine, for they are far more reliable than mainstream media. If there is a nation that is incompetent and mismanaging things, it is southern Korea.

And actually, Korea does have a right to exist, because it serves its peoples well. The Koreans under the reign of the "Lee Myung-Bak Syndicate," yearn to unite with Korea, under Juche.

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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:40 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
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The architects of both those... territories claimed to be anarchists.

Anyway, I'm off to dinner.

Where? And how are they not anarchist?

Or do you not know that every communist is an anarchist?


Communism =/= Anarchism, mademoiselle Arumdaum

Anarchism is not communism, and likewise with communism not being anarchism. With anarchy, it will not last even 30 seconds, unless if it turns out to be like Somalia. Communism, on the other hand, lasted much longer than anarchy. By any means, even by the American definition, communism lasts much longer than anarchy.
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Postby Costa Fiero » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:40 pm

Arumdaum wrote:Or do you not know that every communist is an anarchist?


In theory. It would be like saying that every Christian is charitable. There is plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise.

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Postby Ganos Lao » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:40 pm

Luziyca wrote:You obviously need to start watching the KCNA and start reading Globe Magazine, for they are far more reliable than mainstream media. If there is a nation that is incompetent and mismanaging things, it is southern Korea.

And actually, Korea does have a right to exist, because it serves its peoples well. The Koreans under the reign of the "Lee Myung-Bak Syndicate," yearn to unite with Korea, under Juche.


1. The KCNA = more reliable media? ROFL. Seriously?

2. South Korea is incompetant and mismanaging things? They've left North Korea behind in the bloody dust. They put the first Korean into space. They, like Japan, are working quite nicely in robotics. A team in the Korea Institute of Industrial Technology developed the first Korean android, EveR-1 in May 2006. Recently, research and development in genetics and cloning has received increasing attention, with the first successful cloning of a dog, Snuppy, and the cloning of two females of an endangered species of wolves by the Seoul National University in 2007. South Korea is one of the Asian Tigers. South Korea is also among the world's most technologically advanced and digitally-connected countries; it has the third most broadband Internet users among the OECD countries and is a global leader in electronics, digital displays, semiconductor devices, and mobile phones. Its pop culture has spread throughout the known world in the form of K-Pop, Korean movies, and other such media.

That is incompetance? That is mismanagement? Seems like those are words you should use to describe North Korea.

3. Show us all the South Koreans who yearn to be under Juche. Also, North Korea does not, in any way, serve its people well.



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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:40 pm

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If you are wondering why South Koreans are taller than North Koreans, four words: growth hormones in food. Their government places the growth hormones into the food, of course. North Korea, however does NOT, and I repeat, does NOT deny any access to food whatsoever. You obviously need to start watching the KCNA and start reading Globe Magazine, for they are far more reliable than mainstream media. If there is a nation that is incompetent and mismanaging things, it is southern Korea.

And actually, Korea does have a right to exist, because it serves its peoples well. The Koreans under the reign of the "Lee Myung-Bak Syndicate," yearn to unite with Korea, under Juche.

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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or...


If I was being sarcastic, I'd use italics and some smilies that give off the sarcasm odour. ;) Thus, I am not sarcastic.
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Postby North Calaveras » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:42 pm

Funny if this keeps up one day we might all be saying the Korean leader is in fact a great leader :lol:

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:43 pm

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or...


If I was being sarcastic, I'd use italics and some smilies that give off the sarcasm odour. ;) Thus, I am not sarcastic.

Ah. I see.

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It all but a clever ruse.

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Postby Nazis in Space » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:44 pm

So this is how communism dies.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:44 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:So this is how communism dies.

With thunderous applause.

Keeping that as a quote.
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Postby Brewdomia » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:45 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:So this is how communism dies.

With thunderous applause.


Forget about Cuba?

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Postby Samuraikoku » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:46 pm

Dokuritsu Nippon wrote:Well, the revolution hasn't started yet. That's all. Still time to join the winning side if you'd like. ^__^

But in any case, peace for now.


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Postby Itanica » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:50 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:So this is how communism dies.

With thunderous applause.

North Korea's Communist?
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Postby ArUmdAUM » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:50 pm

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Arumdaum wrote:Or do you not know that every communist is an anarchist?


In theory. It would be like saying that every Christian is charitable. There is plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise.

Communism requires an anarchistic system.

Does Christianity require charitableness?
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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:51 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
Luziyca wrote:You obviously need to start watching the KCNA and start reading Globe Magazine, for they are far more reliable than mainstream media. If there is a nation that is incompetent and mismanaging things, it is southern Korea.

And actually, Korea does have a right to exist, because it serves its peoples well. The Koreans under the reign of the "Lee Myung-Bak Syndicate," yearn to unite with Korea, under Juche.


1. The KCNA = more reliable media? ROFL. Seriously?


I pity you, for you were brainwashed by propaganda that has been pumpin' since 1945, courtesy of NATO. KCNA is indeed, much more reliable than any news source. While yes, Globe comes close, nothing can surpass the great news service that is the KCNA.

Ganos Lao wrote:2. South Korea is incompetant and mismanaging things? They've left North Korea behind in the bloody dust. They put the first Korean into space. They, like Japan, are working quite nicely in robotics. A team in the Korea Institute of Industrial Technology developed the first Korean android, EveR-1 in May 2006. Recently, research and development in genetics and cloning has received increasing attention, with the first successful cloning of a dog, Snuppy, and the cloning of two females of an endangered species of wolves by the Seoul National University in 2007. South Korea is one of the Asian Tigers. South Korea is also among the world's most technologically advanced and digitally-connected countries; it has the third most broadband Internet users among the OECD countries and is a global leader in electronics, digital displays, semiconductor devices, and mobile phones. Its pop culture has spread throughout the known world in the form of K-Pop, Korean movies, and other such media.

That is incompetance? That is mismanagement? Seems like those are words you should use to describe North Korea.


Yi So-Yeon, however DOES NOT COUNT, since in 1998, the DPRK launched Kwangmyŏngsŏng-1, its first satellite, thereby proving it is far ahead in the space age, than southern Korea. Robotics? It serves no function in a society, save to assist the workers. Cloning a dog, I understand, but cloning tigers? They only are cloning and having robotics because NATO IS TELLING THEM TO DO SO. In terms of advanced countries, again, it is Potemkin-esque propaganda that is really grotesque. Despite the boom, southern Korea is lying, and making up its statistics that the OECD believes.

K-Pop? NATO.
Korean movies? NATO. Well, save for those produced in northern Korea. Boy, do I want to watch Pulgasari...
Other media? See above.

It is incompetence, it is just that southern Korea refuses to tell the truth. When THEY, the Northern Koreans TELL THE TRUTH, we are accused of lying. Why did they show the rocket that failed a few months ago to mark Kim il-Sung's birthday? THEY WERE TIRED OF BEING LAUGHED, WHEN SERIOUSLY, WAS THE DAMNED TRUTH. It is mismanagement, since who is funding southern Korea? The United States.

Ganos Lao wrote:3. Show us all the South Koreans who yearn to be under Juche. Also, North Korea does not, in any way, serve its people well.


While I admit, the Lee Myung-Bak group opposes Juche, but ask any Korean that is not overseas, save for China, and they truly wish to unite all Korea, under Juche, the banner of Kim il-Sung. They believe that in the long run, Korea would improve. Just, look around, and ask the Koreans. Then, you may come back to me.
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