North Korea to reform economy, abandon "military first"

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

Well, the latter is what I was getting at really. They're trying to preserve their culture against cultural imperialism. Thus it's an issue particular to their culture, not communism, and I wouldn't advocate it per se in another nation.

How exactly does long hair imply cultural imperialism is in effect?

They're trying to avoid adopting western cultural practices to keep their own culture pure. That's their nation, their choice. Frankly, I don't see why hair matters one way or another to this discussion.

[Unicario]

Seeing you paint the Empire-born-from-Kami in a communist way is disturbing and absolutely horrible.

You know the Japanese Imperial Line has Korean blood in it if you go back far enough, right?

Yeah, but it was good blood -- Not the shit tainted by the Kim dynasty's geneology.

And if you trace Koreans back, you'll get Manchus, and if you trace Manchus back, you'll keep running around the Altaic family of languages, which puts us in the same family as the Finns, Hungarians and Estonians.

[The Merchant Republics]

Very good, this is a great leap forward for the DPRK.

That's a risky choice of word's in the Asian theatre. The last one of those sent some 40-100 million people to an early grave.

At least this time Korea has no where to go but towards a market economy.

[Latin America Union]

Very good, this is a great leap forward for the DPRK.

That's a risky choice of word's in the Asian theatre. The last one of those sent some 40-100 million people to an early grave.

At least this time Korea has no where to go but towards a market economy.

Or socialist democracy?
Or Corporatism?
Or anarchy?

There are plenty of choices.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

You know the Japanese Imperial Line has Korean blood in it if you go back far enough, right?

Yeah...

And if you trace Koreans back, you'll get Manchus, and if you trace Manchus back, you'll keep running around the Altaic family of languages, which puts us in the same family as the Finns, Hungarians and Estonians.

(Ignoring the trolling for the sake of civilized conversation)

Right. I just find it rather ironic that the Japanese ultra-nationalists hated the Koreans / were all obsessed with racial purity, yet turned around and worshiped someone of partial Korean ancestry.

[Ganos Lao]

Speaking of Imperial Japan, you do know that the rhetoric the DPRK uses about the Eternal Leader and all that is reminiscent of the rhetoric used to describe Hirohito pre-1945, right?

Hirohito was titled "Suryong" (historically a Korean tribal chieftain, if we're getting into linguistics? News to me.

Hirohito and Kim Il Sung were both given extraordinary abilities. Like Hirohito, Kim Il Sung has had a huge cult of personality around him. Both men were given fantastic amounts of importance, even if both were just ordinary human beings. Much like the Japanese considered Hirohito an Arahitogami, a kami in human form, there are those in North Korea who apparently glorify Kim Il Sung to the point that one source says that there's a belief that Kim Il Sung "created the world."

In both Imperial Japan and North Korea, loyalty to Hirohito/Kim Il Sung was enforced with a bayonet at your back. They both had policemen who would go to imprisoning, torturing or even killing people who refused to accept the gloriousness of the individual in question.

It's all pretty similar if you bother to look at both of them instead of deliberately avoiding it.

[Arumdaum]

Disestablishing the state.

Abolishing money.

Establish classlessness.

Structure society upon the common ownership of the means of production.

That's about it.

Nothing else can really be described as "communist".

You previously claimed that telling people to make steel instead of crops was communist. I said it wasn't.

I said that collectivizing agriculture was communistic.

Since no communist (or "communist" if you prefer) government has ever done the things you said, I presume that your position is that communism has never existed.

The one in China was more or less the fault of the politicians telling people to make steel rather than tend the crops which were then neglected and failed.

Bad economic policies? That's right. Those were communist policies.

You don't need to first be a government in an established state to become communist. The Free Territory and the CNT-FAI were communist. Communism has existed before.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Great! I'm glad to hear it. It comes as a massive surprise, however.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

Anyhow. I'm tired. As a member of the working class, I have work to do later today. I should get some rest so I can work well for the benefit of my younger comrades.

Whatever happens, I'm still a loyal follower of Kim Il Sung and advocate of the workers' liberation through any means necessary.

Anyhow. Peace out for now.

[Costa Fiero]

Not in the developed world they can't.

Never heard of the Midwest Dustbowl have you? And anyway, just because First World countries are not as prone to famines doesn't mean they can't happen. For one thing, there are places in Asia which you can consider to be "Third World" who have an abundance of food available to them. Same thing goes with Africa. Not everyone there is starving or malnourished.

Famines occur depending on a variety of things, including weather, diseases, economic policies etc. The current one in the Sahel (Saharan Africa) is due to drought. The Great Irish Potato Famine was down to disease.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Great! I'm glad to hear it. It comes as a massive surprise, however.

[Lerro]

I said that collectivizing agriculture was communistic.

Since no communist (or "communist" if you prefer) government has ever done the things you said, I presume that your position is that communism has never existed.

Bad economic policies? That's right. Those were communist policies.

You don't need to first be a government in an established state to become communist. The Free Territory and the CNT-FAI were communist. Communism has existed before.

But they weren't anarchist. They called themselves anarchists, but as mentioned earlier, the official name of North Korea is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

[Ganos Lao]

How exactly does long hair imply cultural imperialism is in effect?

They're trying to avoid adopting western cultural practices to keep their own culture pure. That's their nation, their choice. Frankly, I don't see why hair matters one way or another to this discussion.

You do realize long hair isn't solely a Western cultural practice, right?

As well, it matters because it's just another example of North Korean absurdity. Long hair doesn't make any one a slave to Western culture.

[Lerro]

Not in the developed world they can't.

Never heard of the Midwest Dustbowl have you? And anyway, just because First World countries are not as prone to famines doesn't mean they can't happen.

Millions of people didn't die. The Midwest Dustbowl isn't even referred to as a famine in the article you cited.

[Arumdaum]

How exactly does long hair imply cultural imperialism is in effect?

They're trying to avoid adopting western cultural practices to keep their own culture pure. That's their nation, their choice. Frankly, I don't see why hair matters one way or another to this discussion.

Growing hair is a human practice.

Anyone can grow their hair long. The "in accordance with the Socialist lifestyle" thing is actually a haircut imported from the West. The traditional hairstyle for Korean men is actually growing your hair really long and then tying it in a braid.

[Samuraikoku]

Anyhow. I'm tired. As a member of the working class, I have work to do later today. I should get some rest so I can work well for the benefit of my younger comrades.

Whatever happens, I'm still a loyal follower of Kim Il Sung and advocate of the workers' liberation through any means necessary.

Anyhow. Peace out for now.

"Any means necessary" / "Peace"

The irony. It burns.

[Ganos Lao]

Whatever happens, I'm still a loyal follower of Kim Il Sung and advocate of the workers' liberation through any means necessary.

I'm sure your fellow workers would be so happy to know you will continue to envision ways to screw them over.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

Anyhow. I'm tired. As a member of the working class, I have work to do later today. I should get some rest so I can work well for the benefit of my younger comrades.

Whatever happens, I'm still a loyal follower of Kim Il Sung and advocate of the workers' liberation through any means necessary.

Anyhow. Peace out for now.

"Any means necessary" / "Peace"

The irony. It burns.

Well, the revolution hasn't started yet. That's all. Still time to join the winning side if you'd like. ^__^

But in any case, peace for now.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

Anyhow. I'm tired. As a member of the working class, I have work to do later today. I should get some rest so I can work well for the benefit of my younger comrades.

Whatever happens, I'm still a loyal follower of Kim Il Sung and advocate of the workers' liberation through any means necessary.

Anyhow. Peace out for now.

"Any means necessary" / "Peace"

The irony. It burns.

Well, the revolution hasn't started yet. That's all. Still time to join the winning side if you'd like. ^__^

But in any case, peace for now.

[Arumdaum]

You don't need to first be a government in an established state to become communist. The Free Territory and the CNT-FAI were communist. Communism has existed before.

But they weren't anarchist. They called themselves anarchists, but as mentioned earlier, the official name of North Korea is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Where did you get North Korea from my examples of Spain and Ukraine?

Even so, names mean nothing. And North Korea isn't communist. At all.

[The Merchant Republics]

That's a risky choice of word's in the Asian theatre. The last one of those sent some 40-100 million people to an early grave.

At least this time Korea has no where to go but towards a market economy.

Or socialist democracy?
Or Corporatism?
Or anarchy?

There are plenty of choices.

You fail political science my friend. Of those options, only one is an economic model, the other two are political models which may or may not apply to specific economic types. And you mean social democracy, socialist democracy is not a functional term. Democratic socialism is however, but here Kim Jon-un is specifically said to be making reforms economically.

I'm talking about the Command-Market paradigm.North Korea has the lowest market freedom in the world, they have nowhere to go but towards greater economic freedom. Even if it is still in a socialist blend, whether a post-Juche Korea will just adopt minor measures or actually move towards the White Cat Capitalism of China is uncertain, but I'm hopeful for greater freedom to the Korean People in any measure.

[Lerro]

But they weren't anarchist. They called themselves anarchists, but as mentioned earlier, the official name of North Korea is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Where did you get North Korea from my examples of Spain and Ukraine?

They all claim(ed) to be something they're not.

[Lerro]

Or socialist democracy?
Or Corporatism?
Or anarchy?

There are plenty of choices.

You fail political science my friend. Of those options, only one is an economic model, the other two are political models which may or may not apply to specific economic types. And you mean social democracy, socialist democracy is not a functional term. Democratic socialism is however, but here Kim Jon-un is specifically said to be making reforms economically.

I'm talking about the Command-Market paradigm.North Korea has the lowest market freedom in the world, they have nowhere to go but towards greater economic freedom. Even if it is still in a socialist blend, whether a post-Juche Korea will just adopt minor measures or actually move towards the White Cat Capitalism of China is uncertain, but I'm hopeful for greater freedom to the Korean People in any measure.

Not necessarily. They might be worst in relation to everyone else, but that doesn't mean they can't dig deeper.

[Caninope]

Is the point of communism to unite the working class of the world? Doesn't communism reject the idea of "nations"?

AFTER Capitalism is dismantled, not before. Well, unless you're in a mansion in Mexico...

How does one unite the workers of the world be encouraging to stick rigidly to a nation's culture?

[Arumdaum]

Where did you get North Korea from my examples of Spain and Ukraine?

They all claim(ed) to be something they're not.

The Free Territory and the CNT-TAI were neither states claiming to be anything, unlike NK.