North Korea to reform economy, abandon "military first"

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

I applied for and was accepted to this program: http://www.pyongyangproject.org/programs/think.html

However, shortly after being accepted, I received an email from the coordinator saying that due to US policy changes, US passport holders could no longer get student visas, so they inquired if I had another passport, which alas, I didn't, they refunded my money, and I sat around depressed for some time... >_< Fuck O-bomb-ya.

And "Democratic" is part of Democratic Korea's official title, mate.

Is your argument that just because you have democratic in your title, you are officially a democratic country? This is certainly not the case. Far from the truth.

Didn't say as much, but in this case, it's accurate.

But fine, if you insist. I support The-Korea-That-Supports-The-Interests-Of-The-Working-Class-And-Fights-Imperialism and fuck Occupied-Anti-Workers-Parasitic-Capitalist-Korea's government. Just takes a lot longer to say as much.

[Grenartia]

I applied for and was accepted to this program: http://www.pyongyangproject.org/programs/think.html

However, shortly after being accepted, I received an email from the coordinator saying that due to US policy changes, US passport holders could no longer get student visas, so they inquired if I had another passport, which alas, I didn't, they refunded my money, and I sat around depressed for some time... >_< Fuck O-bomb-ya.

And "Democratic" is part of Democratic Korea's official title, mate.

Is your argument that just because you have democratic in your title, you are officially a democratic country? This is certainly not the case. Far from the truth.

This. I could claim to be the world's smartest person, but without objective proof of such, my word cannot be trusted.

[Ode to Joy]

Manse! ^__^

You ask fair questions, so I'll try to answer.

I haven't, of yet, physically traveled to the DPRK. I've conversed at some length (several years) with those living within, however. Presently I am living in the PRC, and have met several DPRK citizens here, studying Chinese, also communicating with them at large length. I've been to the DPRK-based restaraunt in Beijing, and also to the DPRK's embassy to inquire about visiting as an American passport holder and KFA member. We discussed a few interesting ideas, but I'm not entirely certain of the logistics. Put simply, I very much wish to, but have not, as of yet, visited Democratic Choseon. I have, however, interacted with its citizenry to a greater degree than most.

I am not ethnically Korean, but I am a member of the working class and accordingly stand in firm support of Kim Il Sung Suryong for his heroic struggle against the capitalist-imperialist system. Manse!

Thank you for replying,

From what I have knowledge of North Korea, I would say that actually going there would be world-changing to you. I'm not going to pretend (as many others here are doing) that I fully understand or know what you shall see, hear and experience in DPRK; but as someone who actually resides in the EU, advocating a federal Europe (I'm from the UK) is especially easy and understandable to others I'm sure. I appreciate your passion and the love you clearly have for a select few people, but why would you (not being Korean), seek to protect and defend against such heated hatred an ideology that represents others? There are alternatives to the imperial ways of-old, few people actually stand for those principles in the west today! Sure, our leaders are corruptable; because they're Human, but together as a species we need to battle for a better planet - for everyone, not only the working class.

I wish you all the best, but don't let a pointless ideology (as appears the Juche idea to me) corrupt you fully.

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[Arumdaum]

National Security Act... >__<

The National Security Act is supported by the majority of the public. Democracy.

Really? Even three highly conservative newspapers said that a majority of Koreans were against it.

It also greatly restricts political freedom, thus restricting democracy.

[Ganos Lao]

I'd just give the guards a medal for a job well done in the steadfast defense of the workers' movement against those who would undercut it.

You're doing a fine job of that yourself.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

I'm not a neoliberal. I don't give a shit about "human rights" as you define them per se. That's your standard, not mine. I'm asking you to be consistent to yours. I'm perfectly consistent to mine.

That is just pathetic. It pains me to think I share the same genetics as you do.

Close to likewise. Have fun taking it up the ass from capitalist exploitation of your labor that you're evidently too unintelligent to be conscious of.

[Lerro]

Is your argument that just because you have democratic in your title, you are officially a democratic country? This is certainly not the case. Far from the truth.

Didn't say as much, but in this case, it's accurate.

But fine, if you insist. I support The-Korea-That-Supports-The-Interests-Of-The-Working-Class-And-Fights-Imperialism and fuck Occupied-Anti-Workers-Parasitic-Capitalist-Korea's government. Just takes a lot longer to say as much.

[North California]

Why would you want to? You have to be escorted the whole time and there's nothing to do.

They said the same thing 15 years ago about china.
Beijing was awesome and I'll be honest I'd love to see Pyongyang and meet people who for most of their lives have been shut away. Who knows could meet a nice girl there?

Go to Pyongyang, dressed as Uncle Sam, with a giant flag, and run through the streets screaming USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

See how many seconds you last.

[Ganos Lao]

That is just pathetic. It pains me to think I share the same genetics as you do.

Close to likewise. Have fun taking it up the ass from capitalist exploitation of your labor that you're evidently too unintelligent to be conscious of.

Like you do with all this pro-DPRK BS?

Also, you support North Korea, and bash someone for their supposed lack of intelligence? Pot, meet kettle.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

Though to answer your question more broadly, it's to expose the hypocrisy of neoliberals in condemning certain nations for "human rights violations" when other nations that they support do the exact same fucking things that the nations they conveniently hate purportedly do. I'm not a neoliberalist, so I don't hold myself to such standards. I'm at least consistent: whatever is good for the working class's interests is good, whatever is bad for it is evil. Simple as that. I'm just asking neoliberals to be equally consistent in their dedication to "human rights (TM)" as they define them, if that's what gives them a hardon.

You assume that everyone who questions your ideals is a "neoliberal" - they could be of any political ideology or even be utterly apathetic to politics in general.

Also, that all still doesn't make North Korea any better or any more desirable or anything like that. North Korea still sucks, regardless of whatever any one nation has done or will do. You think that everyone who criticizes North Korea must be pro-American.

But you are indeed consistent. I'll give you that one. It's just not in that way in the slightest.

It's very simple. You're either for or against the workers' revolution. And those against it ought to be analyzed and treated as such. Anything else is folly and suicide of the workers' liberation movement.

[Lerro]

The National Security Act is supported by the majority of the public. Democracy.

Really? Even three highly conservative newspapers said that a majority of Koreans were against it.

It also greatly restricts political freedom, thus restricting democracy.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Act_(South_Korea)

"Some poll results in 2004-2005 from the media cartel informally dubbed Chojoongdong show that more than half of the Korean people are against the abolition of the act and, so, the dispute continues."

Even if the polls are biased, many successive governments freely elected have neglected to repeal the act.

[Costa Fiero]

Close to likewise. Have fun taking it up the ass from capitalist exploitation of your labor that you're evidently too unintelligent to be conscious of.

Again, pathetic. Come back when your argument consists of facts, not trolling.

[Ganos Lao]

You assume that everyone who questions your ideals is a "neoliberal" - they could be of any political ideology or even be utterly apathetic to politics in general.

Also, that all still doesn't make North Korea any better or any more desirable or anything like that. North Korea still sucks, regardless of whatever any one nation has done or will do. You think that everyone who criticizes North Korea must be pro-American.

But you are indeed consistent. I'll give you that one. It's just not in that way in the slightest.

It's very simple. You're either for or against the workers' revolution. And those against it ought to be analyzed and treated as such. Anything else is folly and suicide of the workers' liberation movement.

The issue is that you're not at all part of any such "liberation" movement.

[Old Geneva]

I think Kim-Jong-Un took a look at my facktbook. Fuckin copycat. My nation is modeled after something like this. Only it happened in 1980.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

Manse! ^__^

You ask fair questions, so I'll try to answer.

I haven't, of yet, physically traveled to the DPRK. I've conversed at some length (several years) with those living within, however. Presently I am living in the PRC, and have met several DPRK citizens here, studying Chinese, also communicating with them at large length. I've been to the DPRK-based restaraunt in Beijing, and also to the DPRK's embassy to inquire about visiting as an American passport holder and KFA member. We discussed a few interesting ideas, but I'm not entirely certain of the logistics. Put simply, I very much wish to, but have not, as of yet, visited Democratic Choseon. I have, however, interacted with its citizenry to a greater degree than most.

I am not ethnically Korean, but I am a member of the working class and accordingly stand in firm support of Kim Il Sung Suryong for his heroic struggle against the capitalist-imperialist system. Manse!

Thank you for replying,

From what I have knowledge of North Korea, I would say that actually going there would be world-changing to you. I'm not going to pretend (as many others here are doing) that I fully understand or know what you shall see, hear and experience in DPRK; but as someone who actually resides in the EU, advocating a federal Europe (I'm from the UK) is especially easy and understandable to others I'm sure. I appreciate your passion and the love you clearly have for a select few people, but why would you (not being Korean), seek to protect and defend against such heated hatred an ideology that represents others? There are alternatives to the imperial ways of-old, few people actually stand for those principles in the west today! Sure, our leaders are corruptable; because they're Human, but together as a species we need to battle for a better planet - for everyone, not only the working class.

I wish you all the best, but don't let a pointless ideology (as appears the Juche idea to me) corrupt you fully.

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Certainly. And thank you for being civil, unlike so many others here. ^__^

To me, it's rather straightforward. I am a member of the working class. As such, it is in my interest - as well as the billions of others in my class - to oppose the capitalist-imperialist system. Thus anything that fights the capitalist-imperialist system is in my class interests and ought to be supported. Of all nations on earth, at least until recently, the DPRK was the most steadfastly anti-capitalist/anti-imperialist, and thus earned my strongest support and veneration.

[Samuraikoku]

And those against it ought to be analyzed and treated as such.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA24/003/2009/en

[Ganos Lao]

And those against it ought to be analyzed and treated as such.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA24/003/2009/en

Watch as he bashes Amnesty as a pro-American imperialist organization, even though Amnesty has also noted issues within the United States that go against its own core values.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

And those against it ought to be analyzed and treated as such.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA24/003/2009/en

IF that's true - which again, I don't take lying han-jaes at their word - it's the moral equivalent of the Nuremberg Trials as far as I'm concerned. No mercy to the enemies of the workers' liberation.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I'm not a neoliberal.

Neither am I.

I don't give a shit about "human rights" as you define them per se.

You don't care about human rights at all. I do, because I lived under a totalitarian dictatorship for a lot of my life, unlike you, so I have a frame of reference. I base my views on human rights on the Universal Declaration. You base yours on what now?

That's your standard, not mine. I'm asking you to be consistent to yours. I'm perfectly consistent to mine.

You're not consistent at all. You're condemning other nations for the same crimes they committed years ago that the Totalitarian North commits every day.

Hell, if hell actually existed, I'd say that's about a fitting place for someone who willingly tries to disrupt a workers' state. So even if we take the han-jae traitors at their word, I'd just give the guards a medal for a job well done in the steadfast defense of the workers' movement against those who would undercut it.

The Totalitarian North has committed thousands of acts of brutality upon its own people and continues to. The fact that you just stated your open love of crime against people who don't support you or your poisonous ideology is evidence enough that you're nothing but a Fascist.

[Lerro]

Manse! ^__^

You ask fair questions, so I'll try to answer.

I haven't, of yet, physically traveled to the DPRK. I've conversed at some length (several years) with those living within, however. Presently I am living in the PRC, and have met several DPRK citizens here, studying Chinese, also communicating with them at large length. I've been to the DPRK-based restaraunt in Beijing, and also to the DPRK's embassy to inquire about visiting as an American passport holder and KFA member. We discussed a few interesting ideas, but I'm not entirely certain of the logistics. Put simply, I very much wish to, but have not, as of yet, visited Democratic Choseon. I have, however, interacted with its citizenry to a greater degree than most.

I am not ethnically Korean, but I am a member of the working class and accordingly stand in firm support of Kim Il Sung Suryong for his heroic struggle against the capitalist-imperialist system. Manse!

Thank you for replying,

From what I have knowledge of North Korea, I would say that actually going there would be world-changing to you. I'm not going to pretend (as many others here are doing) that I fully understand or know what you shall see, hear and experience in DPRK; but as someone who actually resides in the EU, advocating a federal Europe (I'm from the UK) is especially easy and understandable to others I'm sure. I appreciate your passion and the love you clearly have for a select few people, but why would you (not being Korean), seek to protect and defend against such heated hatred an ideology that represents others? There are alternatives to the imperial ways of-old, few people actually stand for those principles in the west today! Sure, our leaders are corruptable; because they're Human, but together as a species we need to battle for a better planet - for everyone, not only the working class.

I wish you all the best, but don't let a pointless ideology (as appears the Juche idea to me) corrupt you fully.

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Certainly. And thank you for being civil, unlike so many others here. ^__^

To me, it's rather straightforward. I am a member of the working class. As such, it is in my interest - as well as the billions of others in my class - to oppose the capitalist-imperialist system. Thus anything that fights the capitalist-imperialist system is in my class interests and ought to be supported. Of all nations on earth, at least until recently, the DPRK was the most steadfastly anti-capitalist/anti-imperialist, and thus earned my strongest support and veneration.

Good sir, you have neglected to respond to my post demonstrating the decisive economic advantage the South has over the North.

Let me put this in a different way. How many people risk their lives trying to get INTO North Korea?

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

It's very simple. You're either for or against the workers' revolution. And those against it ought to be analyzed and treated as such. Anything else is folly and suicide of the workers' liberation movement.

The issue is that you're not at all part of any such "liberation" movement.

It is my greatest desire to destroy the capitalist-imperialist system and thereby enact socialism by any means necessary. How, pray tell, can one be more revolutionary than such?

[Ganos Lao]

The issue is that you're not at all part of any such "liberation" movement.

It is my greatest desire to destroy the capitalist-imperialist system and thereby enact socialism by any means necessary. How, pray tell, can one be more revolutionary than such?

By actually being devoted to helping the working class?

[Lerro]

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA24/003/2009/en

IF that's true - which again, I don't take lying han-jaes at their word - it's the moral equivalent of the Nuremberg Trials as far as I'm concerned. No mercy to the enemies of the workers' liberation.

That's how communists truly think and behave?

This is why I don't give a damn about communists wailing about anti-communist repression.

[Samuraikoku]

No mercy to the enemies of the workers' liberation.

I imagined so.

[Ganos Lao]

No mercy to the enemies of the workers' liberation.

It's interesting to know that you're telling people who want to help the workers out not to be merciful with you.