North Korea to reform economy, abandon "military first"

[Lerro]

Yeah, yeah, preach it. Let's just all sit on our asses and do nothing and let "capitalism run its course". Great plan.

Great plan indeed.

[Ganos Lao]

luziciya has been pretending to be the leader of North Korea for years. His posts are meant to be light hearted.

Tokyoni/Dokuritsu is entirely serious.

I recently confessed that I was not Kim Jong-un. But my views are completely serious. Your mileage may vary, however.

Really?

Can you check this out then?

Even if it means invading occupied Korea, it'd be worth the effort, to bring the oppressed Koreans under one banner. The fact that Kim Jong-un decided to SELL HIMSELF OUT to the imperialists shows that it was a mistake in choosing him to lead Korea when you die.

Whatever happened to the "Democratic" part of North Korea's name?

[Norstal]

Yeah, yeah, preach it. Let's just all sit on our asses and do nothing and let "capitalism run its course". Great plan.

If capitalism doesn't work, the workers will rebel. If it does work, then it will continue to exist.

Are you scared that the workers won't rebel?

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

Yeah, yeah, preach it. Let's just all sit on our asses and do nothing and let "capitalism run its course". Great plan.

If capitalism doesn't work, the workers will rebel. If it does work, then it will continue to exist.

Are you scared that the workers won't rebel?

I'm all for revolution. He's advocating NOT rebelling and letting it "magically disappear."

[Arumdaum]

De jure it is. They just don't always enforce it I suppose, on the really pathetically reformist sort.

Again, I can't find any examples of someone being executed under that law, let alone being charged simply for being socialist.

Would you accept examples of SK charging people for doing anything which could be seen as communist or pro-NK?

[Gauthier]

Feh. After conferring with a friend of mine in the KFA, I might have jumped the gun slightly on this. It's just foreign analysis, not an official Democratic Korean government policy.

Here's to hoping this is all bullshit or just means something along the lines of "more trade with China".

Standing by on my final analysis, and I should probably get out of this thread before I explode with rage... >_<

So Ri Yong-Ho getting the boot was just foreign analysis then?

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

Feh. After conferring with a friend of mine in the KFA, I might have jumped the gun slightly on this. It's just foreign analysis, not an official Democratic Korean government policy.

Here's to hoping this is all bullshit or just means something along the lines of "more trade with China".

Standing by on my final analysis, and I should probably get out of this thread before I explode with rage... >_<

So Ri Yong-Ho getting the boot was just foreign analysis then?

I'm uncertain at present of the circumstances of such.

[Wamitoria]

If capitalism doesn't work, the workers will rebel. If it does work, then it will continue to exist.

Are you scared that the workers won't rebel?

I'm all for revolution. He's advocating NOT rebelling and letting it "magically disappear."

No, Trotskylvania's arguing for waiting until capitalism goes to hell before rebelling, thus ensuring that actual socialism is achieved. Hell, if the China bubble is worse than any of us expect, it could happen within 10 years.

[Luziyca]

I recently confessed that I was not Kim Jong-un. But my views are completely serious. Your mileage may vary, however.

Really?

Can you check this out then?

Whatever happened to the "Democratic" part of North Korea's name?

Nothing. It is democratic. The only reason why it looks like a dictatorship, is because southern Korea spreads propaganda that northern Korea oppresses its people, and gets NATO to believe it.

[Nationstatelandsville]

I hope they don't fuck up their economic liberalization. But these are the Kims. They could fuck up a cup of coffee.

"Jong-un Attempts Two Creams; Twenty Dead, Forty Missing"

[Northwest Slobovia]

Academic distinction. Let's not get into locust v. grasshopper arguments.

Kthanxbye.

So this sub-discussion is about whether North Korea is attempting to move up the evolutionary scale from some sort of primitive parasitic organism to an advanced one? OK... I'll vote for the hymenoptera or the leps, but I won't deny that arachnea would also be a step up for them, and that would make them a cool sort of evil.

[Wamitoria]

I hope they don't fuck up their economic liberalization. But these are the Kims. They could fuck up a cup of coffee.

"Jong-un Attempts Two Creams; Twenty Dead, Forty Missing"

[Typhlochactas]

Really?

Can you check this out then?

Nothing. It is democratic. The only reason why it looks like a dictatorship, is because southern Korea spreads propaganda that northern Korea oppresses its people, and gets NATO to believe it.

Why are there concentration camps for dissidents?

[Ganos Lao]

Really?

Can you check this out then?

Nothing. It is democratic. The only reason why it looks like a dictatorship, is because southern Korea spreads propaganda that northern Korea oppresses its people, and gets NATO to believe it.

And who chose Kim Jong-Un again?

[Norfast]

Over a half century of enlightened and prosperity-minded government has really paid off for North Korea's economy. Can't understand why they'd want any changes.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I hope they don't fuck up their economic liberalization. But these are the Kims. They could fuck up a cup of coffee.

I don't fuck up cups of coffee. :<

That's because you're not one of the Kims.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

Nothing. It is democratic. The only reason why it looks like a dictatorship, is because southern Korea spreads propaganda that northern Korea oppresses its people, and gets NATO to believe it.

And who chose Kim Jong-Un again?

The SPA, a democratically elected unicameral parliamentary body. This is maybe why direct democracy is a bit shoddy, if this all is true. >_<

[Trotskylvania]

Yeah, yeah, preach it. Let's just all sit on our asses and do nothing and let "capitalism run its course". Great plan.

You must have slept through the part where the party taught us that the dynamics of a global capitalist economy ensures workers will be most able to mount a revolutionary struggle in the most advanced capitalist countries. It's kind of fundamental to Marxism really. But you're then again, you're a revisionist...

De jure it is. They just don't always enforce it I suppose, on the really pathetically reformist sort.

South Korea's illiberalism and a seldom enforced law in no way justify the concentration camps of the North.

I'd like to see anything on that last part. Because that sounds like utter bullshit to me.

I suppose you think Kim Il-sung was both stupid enough to refuse ready aid from disaffected colonial bureaucrats and also some how able to build a whole state apparatus overnight without help from the educated colonial lieutenant class in Korea, of which he was a part of.

[Arumdaum]

Nothing. It is democratic. The only reason why it looks like a dictatorship, is because southern Korea spreads propaganda that northern Korea oppresses its people, and gets NATO to believe it.

Why are there concentration camps for dissidents?

Luziyca roleplays in NSG, and isn't serious. You don't need to respond to his posts seriously.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

So Ri Yong-Ho getting the boot was just foreign analysis then?

I'm uncertain at present of the circumstances of such.

That summarises your whole participation in this thread.
I suggest you read something other than the bollocks spewed out by the KFA, then perhaps you'll have a perception of North Korea that isn't tinted with propagandistic rubbish.

[Trotskylvania]

I'm all for revolution. He's advocating NOT rebelling and letting it "magically disappear."

No, Trotskylvania's arguing for waiting until capitalism goes to hell before rebelling, thus ensuring that actual socialism is achieved. Hell, if the China bubble is worse than any of us expect, it could happen within 10 years.

Seriously, this goes all the way back to Kautsky: educate, agitate, organize. Don't blow your load prematurely.

[Typhlochactas]

And who chose Kim Jong-Un again?

The SPA, a democratically elected unicameral parliamentary body. This is maybe why direct democracy is a bit shoddy, if this all is true. >_<

Don't make us laugh.

[Avenio]

Again, I can't find any examples of someone being executed under that law, let alone being charged simply for being socialist.

Would you accept examples of SK charging people for doing anything which could be seen as communist or pro-NK?

Oh, I know that people have been charged under the law, but I'm more interested in his earlier claim that it was illegal to be socialist. The law is awful and should have been repealed 50-plus years ago, but misrepresenting what it actually does doesn't help his argument.

[Genivaria]

Over a half century of enlightened and prosperity-minded government has really paid off for North Korea's economy. Can't understand why they'd want any changes.

(Image)

Man I've been playing to many War strategy games, when I saw that pic the only thing I could think of was:
"Yeah I can see why Japan would invade Korea, it would make a great beachhead for assaulting China."

[Arumdaum]

Would you accept examples of SK charging people for doing anything which could be seen as communist or pro-NK?

Oh, I know that people have been charged under the law, but I'm more interested in his earlier claim that it was illegal to be socialist. The law is awful and should have been repealed 50-plus years ago, but misrepresenting what it actually does doesn't help his argument.

Ah, kk.