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Postby Ulvena » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:37 pm

I'm completely fine with Ramadan. If it promotes charity, good-will, and such, then I'm all for it. I'm an Agnostic Atheist by the way.

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Postby Zaharawi » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:37 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
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The most preferable term is ramadan kareem. During eid, it is then considered aproprate to use mubarak


What does any of it mean in English?


It means have a happy and blessed ramadan. Again, it is acceptable, but the most preffered term is what I was giving him.

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Postby Milks Empire » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:37 pm

Gideus wrote:
Milks Empire wrote:The Islamic calendar is a lunar calendar. That's why the holidays appear to move around.

In fact, aren't most calendars that aren't the Gregorian calendar lunar? I know the Jewish calendar is and I'm fairly certain there were a few Asian calendars that were.

I'm not actually sure, to be honest. :blush:

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Postby Mawtini » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:38 pm

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Mawtini wrote:Err... Ramadan mubarak and ramadan karim are both acceptable... Where I am from, I never ever heard ramadan karim, always ramadan mubarak. So I don't understand why you are correcting him when he was perfectly correct (as both are correct). That kind of goes against the spirit of this holiday.


Can't you allow for human nature?

Happy holidays to you, my friend.

Gut Yontiff, Chag Sameach, as my people would say.

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Mawtini wrote:Err... Ramadan mubarak and ramadan karim are both acceptable... Where I am from, I never ever heard ramadan karim, always ramadan mubarak. So I don't understand why you are correcting him when he was perfectly correct (as both are correct). That kind of goes against the spirit of this holiday.


The most preferable term is ramadan kareem. During eid, it is then considered aproprate to use mubarak. I was not trying to put him down or anything, I was just pointing it out to him.
I don't know where you are from, but in Palestine people always said Ramadan Mubarak. Some said Ramadan Kareem but that was rare. Recently people only began to say Ramadan Kareem instead of Mubarak because of Hosni Mubarak. They said the stigma around saying "ramadan mubarak" was bad, and began to say kareem instead.

Also, I'd as you to not tell me what is and isn't appropriate. I grew up in the arab world, I grew up speaking arabic, I am a devout muslim, and my father is an imam. You're not my authority on what is and isn't appropriate and what is and isn't the preferable term.
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Postby Gideus » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:38 pm

Zaharawi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
What does any of it mean in English?


It means have a happy and blessed ramadan. Again, it is acceptable, but the most preffered term is what I was giving him.


I hate to be that guy, but it may be the preferred term where you are from. However, the Muslim communities where he is from may prefer the term he used.
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Postby Knowlandia » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:40 pm

happy/blessed Ramadan!

I'm jewish and I fast when the time comes. I really don't mind not eating, it's the "no water" rule that gets to me
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Postby Cameroi » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:40 pm

i like to think i have a fairly reasonable understanding of it, having fasted as a baha'i for many years. our month of loftiness, which is the month of the fast, is earlier in the year. while a fast for the body, it is supposed to also be, as the op mentions, a feast for the soul. i cannot say as i completely understand feasts for the soul though, as my outlook on such things involves trees, little people sized trains, and little furry creatures.

while i have not specifically recanted any belief, i do not currently consider myself specifically a follower of any one. i recognize islam in the same way that baha'is recognize islam, christianity, judaism, and all the precursors to judaism. i recognize them as being periodic upgrades at aproximately thousand year intervals, of the same revelation that began with adam, but i also recognize that they are all, be this as they may, perfectly capable of being mistaken. also like the baha'is, i recognize as well as other liniages also.

i'm actually much less familiar with something the catholics have they call lent. which i'm not sure i understand at all.
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Postby Milks Empire » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:42 pm

Cameroi wrote:i'm actually much less familiar with something the catholics have they call lent. which i'm not sure i understand at all.

Athartha would be the one to ask about that...

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:42 pm

Sarvania wrote:My opinion:

Your entire faith is superstitious nonsense.


Anyway, have a peaceful holiday.

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Postby Gideus » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:45 pm

Mawtini wrote:
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Can't you allow for human nature?

Happy holidays to you, my friend.

Gut Yontiff, Chag Sameach, as my people would say.

I have no idea what you are talking about...


Good Holiday in Yiddish and Joyous Festival in Hebrew.

EDIT: In hindsight, I realized what you actually meant.

I meant "can't you allow for human nature" referring to his correcting of you; humans are inevitably going to be wrong and inevitably going to disagree about things.
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Postby Zaharawi » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:46 pm

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It means have a happy and blessed ramadan. Again, it is acceptable, but the most preffered term is what I was giving him.


I hate to be that guy, but it may be the preferred term where you are from. However, the Muslim communities where he is from may prefer the term he used.


Like I said, here, it is more prefferable to say kareem. I reaerly here people use mubarak, but I do not know why everyone is so uptight about it. He is welcome to use whatever term he wills, I was just pointing it out to him that there is a difference in that area. My father is also the son of the highest imam in our town, so do not take me for a novist either.

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Postby Gideus » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:49 pm

Zaharawi wrote:
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I hate to be that guy, but it may be the preferred term where you are from. However, the Muslim communities where he is from may prefer the term he used.


Like I said, here, it is more prefferable to say kareem. I reaerly here people use mubarak, but I do not know why everyone is so uptight about it. He is welcome to use whatever term he wills, I was just pointing it out to him that there is a difference in that area. My father is also the son of the highest imam in our town, so do not take me for a novist either.


However you are both members of different communities. In HIS community "Ramadan Mubarak" may be the more accepted term. In which case, both of you are wrong - one of you can not know how the other's community acts without having lived there. Sorry if this seemed a little confrontational, but I do believe that either term(after finding out the translations) would be fine, would it not?
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Postby Sarvania (Ancient) » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:50 pm

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Sarvania wrote:My opinion:

Anyway, have a peaceful holiday.

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Postby Segland » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:55 pm

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Postby Zaharawi » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:58 pm

Gideus wrote:
Zaharawi wrote:
Like I said, here, it is more prefferable to say kareem. I reaerly here people use mubarak, but I do not know why everyone is so uptight about it. He is welcome to use whatever term he wills, I was just pointing it out to him that there is a difference in that area. My father is also the son of the highest imam in our town, so do not take me for a novist either.


However you are both members of different communities. In HIS community "Ramadan Mubarak" may be the more accepted term. In which case, both of you are wrong - one of you can not know how the other's community acts without having lived there. Sorry if this seemed a little confrontational, but I do believe that either term(after finding out the translations) would be fine, would it not?


I was not antagonizing him. If you look at my first post, you will see that I said I wanted to see the different things that might be different all around the world about ramadan, I was merely point it out that it is different here. It is absolutely correct, but not prefferable where I live.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:01 pm

Zaharawi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
What does any of it mean in English?


It means have a happy and blessed ramadan. Again, it is acceptable, but the most preffered term is what I was giving him.


Thank you.

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Postby New Rogernomics » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:07 pm

Have a good Ramadan. :D

Moar food for me! Just kidding. :p
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Postby Zaharawi » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:07 pm

New Rogernomics wrote:Have a good Ramadan. :D

Moar food for me! Just kidding. :p

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Postby Qazox » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:43 pm

To be honest all I really know about Ramadan is that Muslims fast during it. Sorry I don't know more about it.
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Postby Lialoth » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:43 pm

Ramadan is a perfect opportunity for me to remind myself why I'm a terrible person.

I eat gratuitously in front of fasting people and talk about how delicious the meal is. I'm a horrid person.

But um... Yeah. I hope it's enlightening.
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Postby Revolutionarily » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:50 pm

I do not know many Muslims however the ones that i do know i seem to hear Ramadan brought up a lot. I hear how much they can't wait to eat at night and how much food they eat. I hear about the exact minute they can start eating. Sure if i was deprived of food i'd probably act the same. However is the point of fasting not to bring yourself closer to God, not wanting worldly things more? I understand that this does not represent all Muslims however i do not understand this concept of fasting where it is boldly displayed. If you ask me you shouldn't fast to discipline yourself but out of love because you are so immersed with God whether in prayer, reading scripture,etc that you forget to eat because God is just that much greater than your physical need to eat.
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Postby Lialoth » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:53 pm

Revolutionarily wrote:I do not know many Muslims however the ones that i do know i seem to hear Ramadan brought up a lot. I hear how much they can't wait to eat at night and how much food they eat. I hear about the exact minute they can start eating.

I'm not a Muslim and I don't know much about fasting but... isn't gorging yourself at the very moment you can 'officially' eat again kinda of... defeating the purpose of fasting? Or at the very least paying lip service to the concept?

Honest questions, just wanting to know the answer.
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Postby Norstal » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:55 pm

New Rogernomics wrote:Have a good Ramadan. :D

Moar food for me! Just kidding. :p

They eat, just not during normal mealtime.

Revolutionarily wrote:I do not know many Muslims however the ones that i do know i seem to hear Ramadan brought up a lot. I hear how much they can't wait to eat at night and how much food they eat. I hear about the exact minute they can start eating. Sure if i was deprived of food i'd probably act the same. However is the point of fasting not to bring yourself closer to God, not wanting worldly things more? I understand that this does not represent all Muslims however i do not understand this concept of fasting where it is boldly displayed. If you ask me you shouldn't fast to discipline yourself but out of love because you are so immersed with God whether in prayer, reading scripture,etc that you forget to eat because God is just that much greater than your physical need to eat.

It's suppose to make you appreciate what you have, I think. If you experience starvation, you'd be more thankful for food, would you not? Otherwise you'd just take it for granted.
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Postby Revolutionarily » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:07 pm

Lialoth wrote:
Revolutionarily wrote:I do not know many Muslims however the ones that i do know i seem to hear Ramadan brought up a lot. I hear how much they can't wait to eat at night and how much food they eat. I hear about the exact minute they can start eating.

I'm not a Muslim and I don't know much about fasting but... isn't gorging yourself at the very moment you can 'officially' eat again kinda of... defeating the purpose of fasting? Or at the very least paying lip service to the concept?

Honest questions, just wanting to know the answer.

My point, i am assuming i will be told that it is not the same for all muslims however it is a pattern i have seem

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