Repeal the 2nd Amendment

[Not Safe For Work]

Yes... lets ban all guns, therefore only criminals will have them...

Rather meaningless argument, when you think about it. Try applying the sentiment to something else...

"If we ban gay marriage, only criminals will have gay marriages".

Right, as a consequence, ALL criminals will suddenly start marrying their own agenda, and all straight people will suddenly be completely incapable of even comprehending marriage.

There's the problem. If you ban guns, criminals DON'T all suddenly acquire them. They become harder for criminals to get, too - and more expensive, and thus are likely to feature less prominently in crime across the board.

And somehow, people have historically managed to find ways to defend themselves even without guns.

[Wikkiwallana]

I would also like to add that banning certain types of guns is pointless.

For instance, Mutsuo Toi killed 30 of his neighbors with a sword an axe and a shotgun in Japan in 1938.

What matters is where the shooting takes place, when, and how much time the killer as.

The underlined seems rather relevant.

[North Calaveras]

Its called smuggling, genious. And its as easy as you think, and its been done during the Afghan war with the Soviets.

In a mountain region filled with honeycomb caves. Across the vast expanse of America, only parts of which are mountainous, and with fewer cave systems for its size, it's going to be a different matter. If you can even contact the people you want to buy from. Cell towers, and cable, phone and power lines are going to be prime targets, because it is to the invaders' advantage to make communication as hard as possible.

you would be surprised how rural and mountainous you can get in the US, just my county ALONE could harbor MANY insurgents.

[Gun Manufacturers]

The war on drugs is the biggest reason for the massive amount of gun crime in this country. Legalize drugs, don't ban guns.

Why not legalize drugs, and ban guns?

Because there's legitimate reasons to own firearms. Sports (target shooting), hunting, collecting, self defense, etc.

[North Calaveras]

Yes... lets ban all guns, therefore only criminals will have them...

Rather meaningless argument, when you think about it. Try applying the sentiment to something else...

"If we ban gay marriage, only criminals will have gay marriages".

Right, as a consequence, ALL criminals will suddenly start marrying their own agenda, and all straight people will suddenly be completely incapable of even comprehending marriage.

There's the problem. If you ban guns, criminals DON'T all suddenly acquire them. They become harder for criminals to get, too - and more expensive, and thus are likely to feature less prominently in crime across the board.

And somehow, people have historically managed to find ways to defend themselves even without guns.

dude....everyone here knows that you can't compare banning guns to banning gay marriage lol

[Not Safe For Work]

The NRA can talk all they want about how "guns don't kill people ... people kill people" but at the end of the day if the guns weren't manufactured in the first place, the point would be moot.

Since no court seems willing to put a logical legal interpretation on the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution, it should just be outright appealed.

In every tragedy there is a silver lining - and if this Colorado shooting catastrophe brings us any closer to banning recreational ownership of assault rifles and handguns in the US, then maybe something can come of it.

It's just too easy to get a hold of a gun.

No.

It'd be political suicide for politicians to make a serious attempt at repealing the Second Amendment.

If it's imposed externally, perhaps.

But if the zeitgeist moves towards banning guns, then the politicians would commit political suicide if they DIDN'T attempt to repeal the second amendment, and the majority will back their play.

[The UK in Exile]

Yes... lets ban all guns, therefore only criminals will have them...

Rather meaningless argument, when you think about it. Try applying the sentiment to something else...

"If we ban gay marriage, only criminals will have gay marriages".

Right, as a consequence, ALL criminals will suddenly start marrying their own agenda, and all straight people will suddenly be completely incapable of even comprehending marriage.

There's the problem. If you ban guns, criminals DON'T all suddenly acquire them. They become harder for criminals to get, too - and more expensive, and thus are likely to feature less prominently in crime across the board.

And somehow, people have historically managed to find ways to defend themselves even without guns.

though technically it was rich people who where the most sucessful at it. poor people generally finding ineffective ways to defend themselves.

[Not Safe For Work]

Rather meaningless argument, when you think about it. Try applying the sentiment to something else...

"If we ban gay marriage, only criminals will have gay marriages".

Right, as a consequence, ALL criminals will suddenly start marrying their own agenda, and all straight people will suddenly be completely incapable of even comprehending marriage.

There's the problem. If you ban guns, criminals DON'T all suddenly acquire them. They become harder for criminals to get, too - and more expensive, and thus are likely to feature less prominently in crime across the board.

And somehow, people have historically managed to find ways to defend themselves even without guns.

dude....everyone here knows that you can't compare banning guns to banning gay marriage lol

I'm not - I'm pointing out that the 'if we ban x, only criminals will x' argument is hollow rhetoric.

[The UK in Exile]

dude....everyone here knows that you can't compare banning guns to banning gay marriage lol

I'm not - I'm pointing out that the 'if we ban x, only criminals will x' argument is hollow rhetoric.

"if we ban sodomy, only criminals will get sodomized."

[Not Safe For Work]

In a mountain region filled with honeycomb caves. Across the vast expanse of America, only parts of which are mountainous, and with fewer cave systems for its size, it's going to be a different matter. If you can even contact the people you want to buy from. Cell towers, and cable, phone and power lines are going to be prime targets, because it is to the invaders' advantage to make communication as hard as possible.

you would be surprised how rural and mountainous you can get in the US, just my county ALONE could harbor MANY insurgents.

...who would be utterly incapable of doing anything except sitting around in their basements, muttering.

[North Calaveras]

dude....everyone here knows that you can't compare banning guns to banning gay marriage lol

I'm not - I'm pointing out that the 'if we ban x, only criminals will x' argument is hollow rhetoric.

but there is nothing criminal about being gay...they just don't fit in the same topic

though i guess you could say that banning guns is similar in the fact that banning gay marriage is wrong as well.

[Faith Hope Charity]

Yes... lets ban all guns, therefore only criminals will have them...

Rather meaningless argument, when you think about it. Try applying the sentiment to something else...

"If we ban gay marriage, only criminals will have gay marriages".

Right, as a consequence, ALL criminals will suddenly start marrying their own agenda, and all straight people will suddenly be completely incapable of even comprehending marriage.

There's the problem. If you ban guns, criminals DON'T all suddenly acquire them. They become harder for criminals to get, too - and more expensive, and thus are likely to feature less prominently in crime across the board.

And somehow, people have historically managed to find ways to defend themselves even without guns.

You are right.. it will be more difficult to acquire.. but not impossible... so you are logic fail.. criminals will still have guns and be able to use them against a defenseless populace.. thats NOT a society i would EVER want to live in, thank you very much.

Now unless everyone has the ability to have an armed police officer on the corner at all times... i see this as a very bad idea.

[North Calaveras]

you would be surprised how rural and mountainous you can get in the US, just my county ALONE could harbor MANY insurgents.

...who would be utterly incapable of doing anything except sitting around in their basements, muttering.

you know this....how?

[Not Safe For Work]

I'm not - I'm pointing out that the 'if we ban x, only criminals will x' argument is hollow rhetoric.

but there is nothing criminal about being gay...they just don't fit in the same topic.

The point isn't that they are the same, or not the same. The point is that the argument... wait, didn't I just explain this?

[Arkinesia]

Here's the simple problem, you take away guns, people use swords, take away swords, they use steak knives, take away steak knives...it all ends with violence using hands[choking someone for instance]. Now, would you rather die [in a homicide situation] over the course of six agonizing minutes [choking] or within 2 seconds [bullet to the head]?

whats the average police response time for the area? if its less than six minutes....

an interesting thing that cam out of one thread is that the bill of rights was never intended to apply to states. meaning the original intent was that states could ban or limit the ownership of firearms. this fact seems to support a repeal in favour of letting the states have their own say.

Tenth Amendment.

Banning firearms in individual states would be an overstep into federal authority, thus violating the Tenth Amendment.

[Yes Im Biop]

Me? None. My friends Gramps? 1 and 7 RPG's.

I meant the plural you of civilian America.

AT least 7 i know that much.

[Revolutionarily]

if the guns weren't manufactured in the first place, the point would be moot.

Good luck getting the US government to become pacifists.

Arms Trade Treaty will be signed soon

[Faith Hope Charity]

In fact, i would go so far to say that if there were armed people in the colorado theater other that the crazy gunman, ALOT less people wouldve died, cuz he wouldve been taken down, not be allowed to rampage against everyone there.

[North Calaveras]

In fact, i would go so far to say that if there were armed people in the colorado theater other that the crazy gunman, ALOT less people wouldve died, cuz he wouldve been taken down, not be allowed to rampage against everyone there.

even if he wasn't taken down at least he would have faced resistance that could allow others to leave.

[Wikkiwallana]

Here's the simple problem, you take away guns, people use swords, take away swords, they use steak knives, take away steak knives...it all ends with violence using hands[choking someone for instance]. Now, would you rather die [in a homicide situation] over the course of six agonizing minutes [choking] or within 2 seconds [bullet to the head]?

I'd rather have the extra 5 minutes and 58 seconds, personally, as it greatly increases the chance of someone intervening and saving my life. Plus the fact that it's 179 fewer chances the murderer has to kill someone.

[Not Safe For Work]

...who would be utterly incapable of doing anything except sitting around in their basements, muttering.

you know this....how?

Because the power distribution between authority and the populace is completely asymmetric.

If your group of hypothetical survivalists do more than mutter, or pop their heads outside their basement - their heads will get popped like grapes.

[North Calaveras]

you know this....how?

Because the power distribution between authority and the populace is completely asymmetric.

If your group of hypothetical survivalists do more than mutter, or pop their heads outside their basement - their heads will get popped like grapes.

again...how do you know this, and what situation are they in? foreign army or civil war?

[Gun Manufacturers]

so true ^

An assault rifle is a fully automatic weapon firing an intermediate cartridge. To buy one in the US you need to file for a CLASS 3 FFL license an ATF issued NFA tax stamp for each NFA item you wish to acquire. It is not easy time consuming to get a hold of.

Fixed for accuracy.

[Sardine World]

the day we repeal the second amendment is the day all these tyrants or some shit come in and take over the country.
Lets say North Korea takes over the United States and succeeds. All the Civialians are running amock trying to hide from the Koreans.
What can the people do without guns? They cant win if they dont have guns. Would you rather have a freedoms but many deaths, or no freedom and millions of deaths?

Point made.

[North Calaveras]

the day we repeal the second amendment is the day all these tyrants or some shit come in and take over the country.
Lets say North Korea takes over the United States and succeeds. All the Civialians are running amock trying to hide from the Koreans.
What can the people do without guns? They cant win if they dont have guns. Would you rather have a freedoms but many deaths, or no freedom and millions of deaths?

Point made.

are you trying to make fun of the pro-gun people on here?