Repeal the 2nd Amendment

[Nation of Fortune]

If you need 5.56 NATO to hunt deer and duck you have a serious problem to begin with. That said, completely banning all firearms is ridiculous.

What about target shooting? 5.56 is relatively cheap and has decent balistics. I am a fan of long range shooting. Granted 5.56 isn't my cartridge of choice for long ranges, but I find it is decent for mid range stuff. That and it is relatively cheap.

[Not Safe For Work]

You already won this battle, as far as I'm concerned. I'm right there with you - let's ban cars.

Thats not what he had in mind.

"...design matters not, effectiveness is all that matters..."

[Dark Side Messiahs]

I really hate it when people quote me and break it up so they can ask a crap-ton of questions....

Boo.
hoo.

Why should it matter "one whit"? I dont know, because maybe if the way they built it hadn't been totally fucked with America would still be the best country in the world.

If they way they built it hadn't been totally fucked with, white male landowners would still be the only voters, black people would still be enslaved, the poor and elderly would still be dying in droves every winter, and the country would be completely broke. Times change, deal with it.

The states were supposed to run themselves

Nope.

and come together in times of need to defend this nation, that changed when someone got the great idea and said the Federal law should trump all.

You mean like the Constitution says it should?

Take a look at what we have to put up with over here now, we have idiots like Bush, Obama, Palin, Bachmann and others like them more worried about their next term then the people they were elected to govern.

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong~

We have illegal immigrants taking jobs and privileges away from legal citizens and all the bleeding hearts telling us we should care more about everyone else instead of Americans.

Source? The Constitution and the Decleration of Independence, read them sometime.

I have. They don't say anything about the reason for keeping guns being fear of the feds.

Yes they have the ability to make law and we have the ability to force a change to the law if we dont like it; unfortunately, like I said previously, most Americans these days don't exercise their rights and take the for grented so changing some laws are harder than it should be.

So you admit that they are, in fact, the boss of you?

Why do people keep ignoring that passing an amendment requires incredible amounts of popular support? Who said I was ignoring anything?

If you think stuff was bad when Prohibition happened in the 1920's then just wait and see what happens if they ever repeal the 2nd Amendment.

That says.

Why? Because.

Why what? I didn't ask why again, I made a suggestion.

Your lack of knowledge when it comes to American history and hair splitting is painful to witness. You're obviously not American so trying to explain it to you will be like trying to talk to Helen Keller before she could communicate. *prays you know who Helen Keller is*

I fear anything I say will be insufficient to your liking and/or something will be lost in translation, therefore I think I will now ignore anything else you say to me in this thread. Good day to you... or evening depending on location.

[Chernoslavia]

Cars also serve non-hostile functions. Far more often than they are used as weapons.

True. Car fatalities are not the design parameter for which cars are designed. When they occur, they are either the result of misuse, or terrible tragic accident.

Guns, on the other hand, are designed expressly for the purpose of putting hard projectiles in soft targets.

If I come and beat you with a hammer you dont sue Home Depot and consider a ban on hammers...Or would you?

[Spreewerke]

If you need 5.56 NATO to hunt deer and duck you have a serious problem to begin with. That said, completely banning all firearms is ridiculous.

Why would you have problems if you want to use 5.56 NATO? It is very useful for varmint hunting.


That said, it is cheaper to go plinking with my 5.56mm or my 7.62mm than wasting my 7.92mm ammo.

5.56x45mm/.223 Remington is inadequate for deer hunting unless you can put the round directly into the heart or brain at any given distance you may see a deer at. Most people can't.

[Nation of Fortune]

True. Car fatalities are not the design parameter for which cars are designed. When they occur, they are either the result of misuse, or terrible tragic accident.

Guns, on the other hand, are designed expressly for the purpose of putting hard projectiles in soft targets.

If I come and beat you with a hammer you dont sue Home Depot and consider a ban on hammers...Or would you?

BANHAMMERS!!!!!!!


....sorry, I couldn't resist.

[Wikkiwallana]

I'm sorry, you have armored transport vehicles, aircraft, satellites, unmanned drones, a coordinated command structure, infrared wall penetrating scopes, long range missiles, tac-ops units, intelligence services, real-time updated mission control centers, and a navy?

If it ever came to that we would have stolen tanks and aircraft, we certainly do have a structured command center, I have 20 generation 3 IR scopes from EOtech that can do far better than that, we can buy long range missiles from the black market, one of our top marksmen is an ex-green beret, dont know about intelligence services but i'll take my chances, and we dont have a navy but since we're in land we dont have to worry about that for now. Now, what do you got for dessert?

I'm curious how the black market is going to get these purchases past the people busy invading you. And how many tanks and aircraft do you propose you will steal from the people using them on you? They tend to guard them. Finally, while your rag tag band of super-commando militia may be inland, most of the population is not out of shelling range.

[Hathradic States]

Why would you have problems if you want to use 5.56 NATO? It is very useful for varmint hunting.


That said, it is cheaper to go plinking with my 5.56mm or my 7.62mm than wasting my 7.92mm ammo.

5.56x45mm/.223 Remington is inadequate for deer hunting unless you can put the round directly into the heart or brain at any given distance you may see a deer at. Most people can't.

Do note that I said "varmint" in my post. I acknowledge that it is damn near useless for taking down Mule or White-Tail Deer.

[Yes Im Biop]

Never realized that america was invading its self.

Again, what the hell are you talking about?

APV's can be easily taen down by explosives you can make in yoru garage.

How many people can do so without blowing themselves up in the process?

Aircraft aren't much of a problem when they can't see you

Because it's not like they have thermal scanning capabilities, explosive weapons, or people need to go outside at some point.

Sat's can only be used when they are aligned. Which cost's money and time

Two things any country are going to commit to an invasion.

UAV's are pretty good.
Wall penetrating scopes? No. The Predator can though, but not something you can mount on a calibrated rifle.

Sucks for you then.

LRM's need to be coordinated, or beam ridden.

Gee, I thought the invading nation would just fire them blindly…

Tac Ops for civies? Not in this reality

That's what I thought.

Intell services don't work well for Gorilla warfare

Source?

Real time is not as effective as you think

Still better than one guy in a basement with a ham radio.

Navy don't do shit hen your 2000 miles from an ocean.

Most of America's population is very close to the coast.

1: Everyone who has read the Archaist's cook book and followed the safety instructions for one.

2: Thermal is easily beaten sorry. Insulated clothes and a fire extinguisher makes you invisible.

3: Balls to the wall's for them

4: Not really. As said up a few numbers. Insulation and cold things make you invisible

5: Me to. Small world. Problem with beam riding? Its LOS only

6: Then why say it

7:Vietnam

8: You do realize that a form of real time right

9: But then you got the 65% That isn't...O wait that means "Most" Isn't by the coast.

[Not Safe For Work]

I'm not saying I'm tough. I'm not saying you're tough. I'm saying you're acting like the stereotype of the 'internet tough guy'. with all your talk about what an amazing killing machine you'd be, and how the world would be better for it.

5 inch groupings at 21 yards
isn't the Best,

It's also entirely unimportant, who cares about how tight your groupings are? Who do you think you're impressing?

...maybe for you it is.
So, stopping a burglar from stabbing
me and stealing my sh*t is "vigilantism"?

I thought the guy in your scenario was 21 yards away or something... what's he stabbing you with? His Force powers?

If you have been robbed before,

I have.

you
Wouldn't be judgin me like this

Why?

What I'm 'judging you on' isn't how good your aim is, or whether bad guys are bad. I'm 'judging you' on this bizarre trend of claiming that you're good at killing people, as though it is an argument.

Never again . R.I.P coin collection

Material possessions don't matter. Human life does.

[Dark Side Messiahs]

I think suicide bombers would argue that.

Suicide bombers aren't following the psychology of the multiple murderer - they are following the psychology of the terrorist and the martyr.

I believe they are more following the psychology of the martyr, terrorist is just the title people give to them when they commit their act of mass murder by strapping a bomb to themselves or fly a plane into a building.

[North Calaveras]

If it ever came to that we would have stolen tanks and aircraft, we certainly do have a structured command center, I have 20 generation 3 IR scopes from EOtech that can do far better than that, we can buy long range missiles from the black market, one of our top marksmen is an ex-green beret, dont know about intelligence services but i'll take my chances, and we dont have a navy but since we're in land we dont have to worry about that for now. Now, what do you got for dessert?

I'm curious how the black market is going to get these purchases past the people busy invading you. And how many tanks and aircraft do you propose you will steal from the people using them on you? They tend to guard them. Finally, while your rag tag band of super-commando militia may be inland, most of the population is not out of shelling range.

you severely underestimate American militia capabilities

these aren't iraqi children with flip-flops and AK-47's, many are veterans of conflicts or have had at least some military training.

[Wikkiwallana]

Cars also serve non-hostile functions. Far more often than they are used as weapons.

True, but car accidents cause more deaths than guns. But does that mean we need to ban cars? Absolutely not!

We license the shit out of the ability to operate one though. Which is my proposal for guns. The fact that people I'm talking to still think I want to completely ban guns does not bodewell for their reading comprehension skills.

[North Calaveras]

True, but car accidents cause more deaths than guns. But does that mean we need to ban cars? Absolutely not!

We license the shit out of the ability to operate one though. Which is my proposal for guns. The fact that people I'm talking to still think I want to completely ban guns does not bodewell for their reading comprehension skills.

we license the shit out of guns more than we do out of cars already...

[Steel Confessors]

This admittedly annoys me whenever a gunman goes nuts the outcry for gun control becomes stronger. There's always an upsurge as the wounds of the latest catastrophe arises.

However, I have this piece to offer. Outright banning firearms will not prevent situations such as this. If an individual is determined enough to go into a theater, using smoke grenades and gas to clear and suppress rooms before moving in to eliminate civilians then banning a gun will not do anything. It only causes him to go underground and retrieve the firearm. Legality only works on those who abide by the legal system. Criminals are known by their names as such.

The outcry for the punishment of civilians who abide by the laws is always ridiculous based upon the logicality it uses. It assumes that if we ban weapons through the use of law, that criminals will suddenly say, "Oh shit, guns are illegal. Guess we have to turn them in boys." Criminals by their very nature are law-breakers and do not give a flying fuck over what kind of bureaucracy and red-tape over the ownership of a weapon. For example, California which has the biggest and strictest gun laws has no shortage of gun-violence. Men and women are killed each day because of the illegal use of firearms.

A law-abiding citizen doesn't go out and kill a man. Neither does his/her gun. Only criminals do. The assumptions anti-gun advocates work on 'guns kill people' and 'gun laws prevent gun violence' have obviously been shown to be false again and again. While it is tragic what happened, restricting firearms will not prevent another catastrophe from happening.

[Yes Im Biop]

Sweet. Then any other tank in the world will be easier to kill with an RPG-7

And how many of those do you have, exactly?

Me? None. My friends Gramps? 1 and 7 RPG's.

[Chernoslavia]

If it ever came to that we would have stolen tanks and aircraft, we certainly do have a structured command center, I have 20 generation 3 IR scopes from EOtech that can do far better than that, we can buy long range missiles from the black market, one of our top marksmen is an ex-green beret, dont know about intelligence services but i'll take my chances, and we dont have a navy but since we're in land we dont have to worry about that for now. Now, what do you got for dessert?

I'm curious how the black market is going to get these purchases past the people busy invading you. And how many tanks and aircraft do you propose you will steal from the people using them on you? They tend to guard them. Finally, while your rag tag band of super-commando militia may be inland, most of the population is not out of shelling range.

Its called smuggling, genious. And its as easy as you think, and its been done during the Afghan war with the Soviets.

[Not Safe For Work]

True. Car fatalities are not the design parameter for which cars are designed. When they occur, they are either the result of misuse, or terrible tragic accident.

Guns, on the other hand, are designed expressly for the purpose of putting hard projectiles in soft targets.

If I come and beat you with a hammer you dont sue Home Depot and consider a ban on hammers...Or would you?

The sort of hammer you're likely to buy at Home Depot was not designed for the specific purpose of killing (people).

I think, perhaps, you play too much Hitman: Blood Money. In reality, I'd imagine it's a lot easier to kill a large number of people at long range, with a gun... than up close, with a hammer.

[Wikkiwallana]

Since untrained civilians with guns and armed with a "Do it yourself Guerrilla Warfare" manual are so deadly I'm surprised the US isn't getting soundly defeated in every conflict it gets into.

Ever Read the Archaist cook book? I have. Go read it and tell me you can't fine 4 ways to blow up a Striker with teh stuff you can find in a garage and kitchen.

The book infamous for being dangerously wrong with most of its recipes?

[Unilisia]

The NRA can talk all they want about how "guns don't kill people ... people kill people" but at the end of the day if the guns weren't manufactured in the first place, the point would be moot.

Since no court seems willing to put a logical legal interpretation on the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution, it should just be outright appealed.

In every tragedy there is a silver lining - and if this Colorado shooting catastrophe brings us any closer to banning recreational ownership of assault rifles and handguns in the US, then maybe something can come of it.

It's just too easy to get a hold of a gun.

I just knew someone would bring this up. One guy shooting a bunch of folks with weapons not meant for personal defense doesn't mean all personal firearms should be banned

[Bafuria]

I would also like to add that banning certain types of guns is pointless.

For instance, Mutsuo Toi killed 30 of his neighbors with a sword an axe and a shotgun in Japan in 1938.

What matters is where the shooting takes place, when, and how much time the killer as.

[Alvenrder]

Because we'll be all too stoned to think about putting bullets into other individuals.

at least we will still have our guns then

Im not sure i would like stoned people carrying loaded weapons

[North Calaveras]

at least we will still have our guns then

Im not sure i would like stoned people carrying loaded weapons

idk of many instances where people are smoking weed and get the urge to go shooting people, hell the guns probably empty and being used as a bong.

[Yes Im Biop]

at least we will still have our guns then

Im not sure i would like stoned people carrying loaded weapons

What will stoned people be doing with guns besides using them as neat looking bongs?

Ninja'd XD

[Greed and Death]

If you need 5.56 NATO to hunt deer and duck you have a serious problem to begin with. That said, completely banning all firearms is ridiculous.

It is a great target shooter, and almost identical ( a tad bigger)to one of the weakest rounds know to man the .22 caliber.