Repeal the 2nd Amendment

[Aquophia]

Ban guns, force them onto the black market, have criminals buy them off the black market, criminals terrorize law-abiding citizens.

That's not even touching on the issue of keeping guns in the hands of an ever-growing government. Sure you can trust your government now, but you never know what will happen tomorrow.

[Tiltjuice]

Altered.

[Ceannairceach]

It's funny the invention of guns, in all purposes coincides with the beginning of the major declines in violence all across the world.

Gotta source for that one, TMR?

[Grand Antarctica]

The 2nd Amendment was made so the Civilian populace may take up arms to defend their country in a Militia... banning such would reduce defensive capabilities and would decrease crime RATE but increase crime SEVERITY, by making guns only in the hands of Criminals.

[Wikkiwallana]

Agreed.

What control would you suggest?

Mandatory waiting periods, a licensing system similar to that for driving, and a ban on full-auto and burst fire weapons.

[Adafdfadfasdf]

Do you even know what an assault rifle is? Or did you just hear a scary word on the news?

Don't be condescending. Of course I know what an assault rifle is.

A whole lot of people don't. In fact, most people that I've met who want to ban "assault rifles" haven't the slightest clue what they are.

[Ceannairceach]

Ban guns, force them onto the black market, have criminals buy them off the black market, criminals terrorize law-abiding citizens.

That's not even touching on the issue of keeping guns in the hands of an ever-growing government. Sure you can trust your government now, but you never know what will happen tomorrow.

As apposed to, what, trusting your neighbor down the road to not shoot me with his gun? At least the government has a vested interest in keeping me alive.

[Aleckandor]

I don't know they'd prefer being stabbed to shot or something.

I'd rather be shot. Preferrably with a large armor-piercing slug in a fatal location that would instantly cancel my life. Not that I'm suicidal or want to be shot. It's just that if I'd pick one of the two (between being stab or being shot, I mean), I'd choose being shot.

[Williamson]

if we ban gun the criminals will get the gun illegal somehow. So then the people that obey the law will have no way to defend themselves

[Raumm]

Why do equate it to conservatism? I am a social democrat and I support the 2nd amendment.

It's the liberals that should dislike gun control.

exactly.

[Wikkiwallana]

Whoops, I'm sorry, I mean the judgement of the ones whose opinions modern conservatives like.

Modern conservatives don't know dick about the various positions the founders held. And modern conservatives only like some of their opinions. The founders were not a hivemind. They disagreed with each other too.

I'm aware, which is why I wish they would shut up about the subject. I'm sorry I assumed you were one.

[Ora Amaris]

Yeah. So do knives. And toasters dropped in your bathtub.

Your fists are dangerous weapons! We must outlaw them! Quickly, we must sever everybody's hands! But what's this? A head-butt can kill a person too! We should outlaw that as well...

Indeed, but gun's sole purpose is for killing things from afar. Toasters toast bread, but can be made into a makeshift weapon, like about almost anything. Heck, its possible to kill someone with a pear.

[Noobubersland]

I agree that the 2nd Amendment is outdated, back then small arms could win a battle, they can't noadays due to planes, armor, drones etc. But banning all guns is a stupid idea, people still hunt, they need protection. Perhaps ban all automatic weapons (do you need to hunt deer with an AK-47?)

[Unita Teccon Olympia Enclave]

The second amendment should not be repel, its the right and choice of every American citizen to own a firearm, i have regret that such massacres like the one that has been on the news today happen but we can not ban firearms. If banning firearms and outlawing them is what you believe then very well, but if it was to happen in real life only outlaws shall carry such weapons.

[Ceannairceach]

if we ban gun the criminals will get the gun illegal somehow. So then the people that obey the law will have no way to defend themselves

I have, at my disposal, several ways to defend myself without using a gun.

[Luziyca]

No, because if guns are banned, the Americans cannot fight for any reason.

[The Merchant Republics]

In the past several years there have been record levels of arms sales in the USA.

In the last several years, reports of violent crimes here have dropped dramatically.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Aye, but it does prove a lack of causation for the other side.

It need not prove that guns lower crime, the correlation proves by itself that guns do not create a significant increase in crime.

What may follow is an investigation which proves causation, and the fact that this has been repeated in several different states, and countries may prove that causation.

[Caninope]

In the past several years there have been record levels of arms sales in the USA.

In the last several years, reports of violent crimes here have dropped dramatically.

I've also yet to consistently see reports saying that gun bans reduce crime. Most I've seen say that gun ownership either slightly lowers crime or that it has no statistically significant impact.

And the Colorado Theater killer would not have been caught by any normal background check. He had a BS in Neuroscience (UC Riverside), had recently withdrew from a PhD program at a highly competitive University of Colorado program (no particular warning bells there), he had no criminal record except a traffic ticket with Aurora police, and people in his apartment complex claim that he made no noise.

Also, he was not carrying an assault rifle, despite media reports. All the reports I've seen that go into detail say that his AR-15 was semi-automatic, and thus not a true assault rifle.

[Raumm]

What control would you suggest?

Mandatory waiting periods, a licensing system similar to that for driving, and a ban on full-auto and burst fire weapons.

waiting periods won't help. I like the licensing bit. And full autos are basically banned, it takes alot of time and money to get your 3FFL license for one.

[Tunasai]

Destroy hunting tradition- that you would
Destroy cultural heritage- that you would
Offend most Americans- that you would
Take away rights- that you would

How about you go live in fairyland where everything is peaceful all the time?

[Neros]

What control would you suggest?

Mandatory waiting periods, a licensing system similar to that for driving, and a ban on full-auto and burst fire weapons.

-Waiting periods are in effect for most weapons. Have you ever purchased a firearm before?
-Concealed handgun license for a civilian to legally carry a firearm
-There is a felony offense in place for full-auto. You must attain a permit if your business requires the protection of a high-rate of fire weapon, and that is a pain in the ass to get.

[Danbershan]

I find it very odd how passionate many Americans are about gun ownership. Being British, I find the concept of recreational gun ownership, and indeed many other laws allowing such easy access to guns, absurd. Guns should be restricted. Having them so 'freely' available can only lead to trouble.

[Farnhamia]

The 2nd Amendment was made so the Civilian populace may take up arms to defend their country in a Militia... banning such would reduce defensive capabilities and would decrease crime RATE but increase crime SEVERITY, by making guns only in the hands of Criminals.

I don't believe that you have to bring your own gun if called upon to defend the country. I think the government takes care of that for you.

[Aleckandor]

(do you need to hunt deer with an AK-47?)

Zombie wolfmen-deer, you might.

[Wikkiwallana]

That's not even touching on the issue of keeping guns in the hands of an ever-growing government. Sure you can trust your government now, but you never know what will happen tomorrow.

Yes, your small arms bearing survivalist group is going to stop a tank.