Repeal the 2nd Amendment

[Greed and Death]

I just heard that some of the uninsured victims already have medical bills exceeding $1M. America could use a few changes.

most have been waived, what wont be waived the theater will likely pay for in a settlment.

[Coccygia]

I just heard that some of the uninsured victims already have medical bills exceeding $1M. America could use a few changes.

It's their own fault for not having their own assault rifles and body armor.

[Almire]

Outlaw guns, and only outlaws have guns. That seems real nice.

No you go after the outlaws until they don't have guns too (common sense?).

Just like how drug use is totally under control [/sarcasm]

[Veddai Hegemony]

That's not what constant means. The point is the rate of death per guns is very variable, it's not as simple as fewer guns means fewer deaths by gun. If it was as simple as guns=death there would be a proportional increase based on how many guns are in the country.

I think a far more useful statistic would be deaths per gun owner or deaths per gun owning household. And since Switzerland is inevitable included in these things, I'd like a comparison of deaths per public carry license.

The last would be incredibly difficult. Every gun owner here in VA for example, has a public carry license as soon as they buy their gun, because you can open carry without a permit. It's a fairly common law in states with fairly decent gun laws. And CC permits are shall issue, so those are easy to get too, as long as you pass the state mandated class.

[Veddai Hegemony]

"2nd Amendment: ...a well regulated militia"

ShotgunRednecks =! (not equal to) well regulated militia, however, an issue here on NS sparks an interesting point; if you outlaw guns, only outlaws would have guns, making it very difficult for anyone to properly defend themselves. However, its already so difficult to do so, as some states do not glamourize shooting burglars and muggers who break in your house. If anything I'd say allow us to shoot these bastards IN ALL 50 STATES but present much more requirements of owning a gun, say a higher age prereq, or more careful licensing.

You're aware that the age for long guns is 18, and handguns is 21 already, right? Well, kinda, but for the purposes of this discussion I'll keep it that simple, unless you want a full explanation. You have to be old enough to ENLIST IN THE ARMY(also exceptions, but for this discussion...) before you can buy a rifle. And the army will give you one. Interesting note, if you're in the military, you can buy automatics with no licensing requirements. You have to get licensed and taxed and everything once you get out, but still...fun fact.

In Virginia(only state I can speak for with any expertise in this particular piece) if someone comes on your property with a weapon, or who you might suspect has a weapon(say you think they have a concealed pistol, etc.) you are THEORETICALLY allowed to shoot them right there. Now, if you do, and the person has no weapon, you'll have to make a pretty good case why you thought he had one. If they enter your house, and you feel that there is a clear and present danger to yourself or other occupants(whether or not the person actually turns out to be armed) you can shoot them with pretty much no questions asked. As long as you shoot him in the front. In the dark, it's so hard to tell if someone has a weapon that they give you the benefit of the doubt once someone enters your home. Useful information for your everyday life.

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

Yeah, open-carry tends to be far less restricted than concealed-carry.

I could go about my daily business with an assault rifle hanging by my purse, no license necessary.

[Veddai Hegemony]

Yeah, open-carry tends to be far less restricted than concealed-carry.

I could go about my daily business with an assault rifle hanging by my purse, no license necessary.

Well, it's property owners discretion if you can come in. Handguns tend to be let slide a bit more...

[Almire]

"2nd Amendment: ...a well regulated militia"

ShotgunRednecks =! (not equal to) well regulated militia, however, an issue here on NS sparks an interesting point; if you outlaw guns, only outlaws would have guns, making it very difficult for anyone to properly defend themselves. However, its already so difficult to do so, as some states do not glamourize shooting burglars and muggers who break in your house. If anything I'd say allow us to shoot these bastards IN ALL 50 STATES but present much more requirements of owning a gun, say a higher age prereq, or more careful licensing.

You're aware that the age for long guns is 18, and handguns is 21 already, right? Well, kinda, but for the purposes of this discussion I'll keep it that simple, unless you want a full explanation. You have to be old enough to ENLIST IN THE ARMY(also exceptions, but for this discussion...) before you can buy a rifle. And the army will give you one. Interesting note, if you're in the military, you can buy automatics with no licensing requirements. You have to get licensed and taxed and everything once you get out, but still...fun fact.

In Virginia(only state I can speak for with any expertise in this particular piece) if someone comes on your property with a weapon, or who you might suspect has a weapon(say you think they have a concealed pistol, etc.) you are THEORETICALLY allowed to shoot them right there. Now, if you do, and the person has no weapon, you'll have to make a pretty good case why you thought he had one. If they enter your house, and you feel that there is a clear and present danger to yourself or other occupants(whether or not the person actually turns out to be armed) you can shoot them with pretty much no questions asked. As long as you shoot him in the front. In the dark, it's so hard to tell if someone has a weapon that they give you the benefit of the doubt once someone enters your home. Useful information for your everyday life.

Someone to shooting another for trespassing is still not fully endorsed by the law enforcement in my state T^T And I'd say taht 'long guns' should also be 21 years of age for ownership.

[Veddai Hegemony]

You're aware that the age for long guns is 18, and handguns is 21 already, right? Well, kinda, but for the purposes of this discussion I'll keep it that simple, unless you want a full explanation. You have to be old enough to ENLIST IN THE ARMY(also exceptions, but for this discussion...) before you can buy a rifle. And the army will give you one. Interesting note, if you're in the military, you can buy automatics with no licensing requirements. You have to get licensed and taxed and everything once you get out, but still...fun fact.

In Virginia(only state I can speak for with any expertise in this particular piece) if someone comes on your property with a weapon, or who you might suspect has a weapon(say you think they have a concealed pistol, etc.) you are THEORETICALLY allowed to shoot them right there. Now, if you do, and the person has no weapon, you'll have to make a pretty good case why you thought he had one. If they enter your house, and you feel that there is a clear and present danger to yourself or other occupants(whether or not the person actually turns out to be armed) you can shoot them with pretty much no questions asked. As long as you shoot him in the front. In the dark, it's so hard to tell if someone has a weapon that they give you the benefit of the doubt once someone enters your home. Useful information for your everyday life.

Someone to shooting another for trespassing is still not fully endorsed by the law enforcement in my state T^T And I'd say taht 'long guns' should also be 21 years of age for ownership.

Well, here's where it gets complicated... You only have to be 16 to OWN a long gun. If someone over the age of 18 purchases it for you. And you only have to be 18 to own a handgun, if someone over 21 buys it. The point there is that someone(probably a relative, like your dad) is overseeing your purchase. See, I told you it was a bit more complicated than that. And That's not quite all of it either.

[Alien Space Bats]

In Virginia(only state I can speak for with any expertise in this particular piece) if someone comes on your property with a weapon, or who you might suspect has a weapon(say you think they have a concealed pistol, etc.) you are THEORETICALLY allowed to shoot them right there. Now, if you do, and the person has no weapon, you'll have to make a pretty good case why you thought he had one. If they enter your house, and you feel that there is a clear and present danger to yourself or other occupants(whether or not the person actually turns out to be armed) you can shoot them with pretty much no questions asked. As long as you shoot him in the front. In the dark, it's so hard to tell if someone has a weapon that they give you the benefit of the doubt once someone enters your home. Useful information for your everyday life.

I am never going to visit you at home, even with an invitation.

[Veddai Hegemony]

Or someone else interacts with it? A psycho breaks into your house, takes your gun, and sets loose with it?



Trust me, don't overestimate your own capabilities to resist temptation. A gun is a temptation... get rid of it.



You know it is pretty easy to break through a safe right?

I don't exactly advertise on the door to my apartment that I have firearms, so how would a psycho know I had them. And since most of my neighbors are Navy personnel, most of them (including all of the neighbors in my building) haven't been here as long as me (so they wouldn't have seen the safe being hauled up the stairs).

Trust me, you don't know anything about me. When you say I'm overestimating my ability to resist the temptation to go on a shooting spree, you're making shit up.

Maybe a cheap sheetmetal gun safe. But to get into my gun safe without the combination, you're going to need power tools, a lot of time, and it would make one hell of a racket. It's the kind of racket that my neighbors aren't going to miss.

Even a sheetmetal safe you'll probably need a sawzall or angle grinder, neither of which is quiet.

[Veddai Hegemony]

In Virginia(only state I can speak for with any expertise in this particular piece) if someone comes on your property with a weapon, or who you might suspect has a weapon(say you think they have a concealed pistol, etc.) you are THEORETICALLY allowed to shoot them right there. Now, if you do, and the person has no weapon, you'll have to make a pretty good case why you thought he had one. If they enter your house, and you feel that there is a clear and present danger to yourself or other occupants(whether or not the person actually turns out to be armed) you can shoot them with pretty much no questions asked. As long as you shoot him in the front. In the dark, it's so hard to tell if someone has a weapon that they give you the benefit of the doubt once someone enters your home. Useful information for your everyday life.

I am never going to visit you at home, even with an invitation.

I should hope not. You're an NS person. That would be weird. I went out with an NSer once, I now generally avoid meeting anyone if I can avoid it

[The Flame Haze]

I for one support our new firearm overlords.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

So door to door salesman gets killed by neighbourhood crazy

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/26/f ... 34E.reddit

Florida man kills door-to-door salesman: I’ll kill anybody that steps on my property
By Eric W. Dolan
Thursday, July 26, 2012 20:31 EDT

A man in Cape Coral, Florida on Wednesday was arrested for shooting and killing an unarmed door-to-door salesman on his property.

Kenneth Bailey Roop, 52, has been charged with second-degree murder for killing 30-year-old Nicholas Rainey.

A co-worker who witnessed the shooting said Rainey had knocked on Roop’s door, but received no answer. While Rainey was walking down the drive-way, Roop pulled up in his pickup truck and asked why Rainey was at his house. Rainey explained that he was selling steak and seafood. The witness said Roop then pulled out a black handgun and shot Rainey. As Rainey lay on the ground, Roop fired another bullet into the back of his head.

Roop later told police that he shot Rainey in the head “for effect” and that he had three no trespassing signs on his property. Roop said he feared for his life.

“I’m not going to give him the chance to do something to me,” he told police. “I was in fear.”

An off-duty Collier County sheriff’s deputy was nearby and heard the gunshots. When she arrived at Roop’s property, she found Rainey dying on the ground while Roop was in his garage reloading his handgun.

“He was telling the officer, ‘he stepped on my property, he trespassed, I’ll kill anybody that steps on my property,’ somewhere along them lines. It was just unbelievable,” one witness told the The News-Press. “She never flinched. She deserves a medal. I don’t think he was done [shooting].”

The deputy ordered Roop to drop his weapon and held him at gunpoint until police officers arrived.

Roop’s neighbors described him as “the neighborhood crazy.” Roop has a concealed weapons permit and approximately 14 firearms.

Yeah you might have no trespassing signs on your gaff but you cannot kill someone like that...who was obviously not a threat. 'I feared for my life'....utter fucking bullshit.

[Wikkiwallana]

All the deaths, violence, looting, and forfeiture civil rights, in the meantime, are a needed price to paid. After all, think of the children.


The UK:
"Haroon Jahan, Shahzad Ali and Abdul Musavir were killed while protecting their property, residents said"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bi ... m-14476731

US:
"The Korean American community, seeing the police force's abandonment of Koreatown, organized armed security teams composed of store owners, who defended their livelihoods from assault by the mobs. Open gun battles were televised as Korean shopkeepers exchanged gunfire with armed looters.[31]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

Singapore has a death penalty on marijuana.

A death penalty on marijuana is a VERY good idea no? Drugs are bad...

Ok, now even I have to ask what the hell you are thinking.

[Wikkiwallana]

I think a far more useful statistic would be deaths per gun owner or deaths per gun owning household. And since Switzerland is inevitable included in these things, I'd like a comparison of deaths per public carry license.

The last would be incredibly difficult. Every gun owner here in VA for example, has a public carry license as soon as they buy their gun, because you can open carry without a permit. It's a fairly common law in states with fairly decent gun laws. And CC permits are shall issue, so those are easy to get too, as long as you pass the state mandated class.

In that case, per gun owner and per public carry license would mostly be the same in the US. In other countries, that wouldn't necessarily be the same.

[Wikkiwallana]

I don't exactly advertise on the door to my apartment that I have firearms, so how would a psycho know I had them. And since most of my neighbors are Navy personnel, most of them (including all of the neighbors in my building) haven't been here as long as me (so they wouldn't have seen the safe being hauled up the stairs).

Trust me, you don't know anything about me. When you say I'm overestimating my ability to resist the temptation to go on a shooting spree, you're making shit up.

Maybe a cheap sheetmetal gun safe. But to get into my gun safe without the combination, you're going to need power tools, a lot of time, and it would make one hell of a racket. It's the kind of racket that my neighbors aren't going to miss.

Even a sheetmetal safe you'll probably need a sawzall or angle grinder, neither of which is quiet.

Pish-posh! A jug of sulfuric acid and a gas mask and that safe is open quick as a wink. With hardly any noise!

[Not Safe For Work]

Hey you shouldn't steal from that guy!

oops sorry, I guess I'm just another government sheep. Go ahead and take whatever you want from wherever(and whomever) you want.

Nice strawman.

And government's the biggest thief around.

The US government take average of 57.7% of all your income.

What happens if you don't pay up? They send you to the rape cage. Sounds like thievery to me. You should open a new topic for this. "Are taxes stealing?"

At least you got one thing right. That really should be in a different thread.

[Not Safe For Work]

But weapons are still a threat... and ESPECIALLY guns.

Guns aren't a threat unless wielded by a madman.

Not strictly true, for a couple of reasons - not least being collateral damage.

[Veddai Hegemony]

The last would be incredibly difficult. Every gun owner here in VA for example, has a public carry license as soon as they buy their gun, because you can open carry without a permit. It's a fairly common law in states with fairly decent gun laws. And CC permits are shall issue, so those are easy to get too, as long as you pass the state mandated class.

In that case, per gun owner and per public carry license would mostly be the same in the US. In other countries, that wouldn't necessarily be the same.

Maybe, except that not all states are like that. It's on a serious state by state basis. For example, Alaska allows CC with no permit, but California is a de facto no-carry state.

[Lessnt]

Guns aren't a threat unless wielded by a madman.

Not strictly true, for a couple of reasons - not least being collateral damage.

I didnt know guns loaded themselves by themselves.

[Veddai Hegemony]

Guns aren't a threat unless wielded by a madman.

Not strictly true, for a couple of reasons - not least being collateral damage.

Guns are not a threat when used in a responsible manner. Responsible use necessarily limits collateral damage.

[Not Safe For Work]

Not strictly true, for a couple of reasons - not least being collateral damage.

I didnt know guns loaded themselves by themselves.

Neither did I. Do you have a source on these new robo-guns?

Or are you posting pointless nonsense?

[Not Safe For Work]

Not strictly true, for a couple of reasons - not least being collateral damage.

Guns are not a threat when used in a responsible manner. Responsible use necessarily limits collateral damage.

Certainly, using guns in a responsible manner an limit collateral damage. But it can't rule it out. Guns can cause harm even when being owned by responsible people (injuries caused by accidents or carelessness, for example, etc), being used responsibly (collateral damage, etc).

[Lessnt]

I didnt know guns loaded themselves by themselves.

Neither did I. Do you have a source on these new robo-guns?

Or are you posting pointless nonsense?

A gun not wielded is an empty gun.
and empty gun is no more a threat than furniture.