Repeal the 2nd Amendment

[Secruss]

UK did a brave and noble thing with the gun ban. They are willing to take a risk... in a few decades, the gun crime will drop and they will be like Japan and Singapore.

Applause...

America, you should learn a few things from your Mom (the UK).

All the deaths, violence, looting, and forfeiture civil rights, in the meantime, are a needed price to paid. After all, think of the children.


The UK:
"Haroon Jahan, Shahzad Ali and Abdul Musavir were killed while protecting their property, residents said"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bi ... m-14476731

US:
"The Korean American community, seeing the police force's abandonment of Koreatown, organized armed security teams composed of store owners, who defended their livelihoods from assault by the mobs. Open gun battles were televised as Korean shopkeepers exchanged gunfire with armed looters.[31]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

Singapore has a death penalty on marijuana.

[Secruss]

You should get rid of it. It's too dangerous. You'll be tempted someday to shoot up the neighborhood... or someone else might grab it and go do it.

Are you trolling or serious?

[Wikkiwallana]

The AR15 is an accurate rifle, great for both the amateur and professional target shooter. It's why I have one.

You should get rid of it. It's too dangerous. You'll be tempted someday to shoot up the neighborhood... or someone else might grab it and go do it.

Sorry, guns only put out magical "kill everyone" rays in fiction.

[Secruss]

That's not what constant means. The point is the rate of death per guns is very variable, it's not as simple as fewer guns means fewer deaths by gun. If it was as simple as guns=death there would be a proportional increase based on how many guns are in the country.

I think a far more useful statistic would be deaths per gun owner or deaths per gun owning household. And since Switzerland is inevitable included in these things, I'd like a comparison of deaths per public carry license.

I would, as well.

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

"By the Federal Constitution of 1874, military servicemen are given their first equipment, clothing and arms. After the first training period, conscripts must keep gun, ammunition and equipment an ihrem Wohnort ("in their homes") until the end of their term of service."

And they get to keep them afterwards, as well.

"After discharge from service, the man is given a bolt rifle free from registration or obligation. Starting in the 1994, the government will give ex-reservists assault rifles. Officers carry pistols rather than rifles and are given their pistols the end of their service."

So I'd say it's pretty high.

And sounds awesome. I wonder how one obtains Swiss citizenship.

[Lessnt]

The NRA can talk all they want about how "guns don't kill people ... people kill people" but at the end of the day if the guns weren't manufactured in the first place, the point would be moot.

Since no court seems willing to put a logical legal interpretation on the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution, it should just be outright appealed.

In every tragedy there is a silver lining - and if this Colorado shooting catastrophe brings us any closer to banning recreational ownership of assault rifles and handguns in the US, then maybe something can come of it.

It's just too easy to get a hold of a gun.

The military will always get guns so guns will always be manufactured.

[Secruss]

The NRA can talk all they want about how "guns don't kill people ... people kill people" but at the end of the day if the guns weren't manufactured in the first place, the point would be moot.

Since no court seems willing to put a logical legal interpretation on the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution, it should just be outright appealed.

In every tragedy there is a silver lining - and if this Colorado shooting catastrophe brings us any closer to banning recreational ownership of assault rifles and handguns in the US, then maybe something can come of it.

It's just too easy to get a hold of a gun.

The military will always get guns so guns will always be manufactured.

Following the law of supply and demand... If the demand is high enough and the supply low enough, the price will be high as well. For those who wish to take the risk, manufacturing/smuggling guns would be worth the money.

The same laws apply to drugs and exotic pets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exotic_pet#Legal

EDIT:

It can further be said that the best armed criminals will also be those to snuff out their competition and corner the markets. Then the criminal arms race is on.

[Gun Manufacturers]

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Purchasing guns over the Internet should require some form of license or identification. It is needed when buying guns in person.

To purchase a firearm over the internet (assuming it's either an FFL transaction or private out of state transaction), it needs to be transferred to an FFL in your state, who will then fill out all the appropriate forms and perform a NICS background check when they transfer it to you.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Looks like this may become a reality, God

http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-un-gu ... -ban-guns/

FFS, an international treaty cannot override the US Constitution. The US Supreme Court already ruled on that in Reid vs Covert.

[Gun Manufacturers]

We do not need to ban guns, it is the people's responsibility to defend themselves. Guns do not kill people, people kill people. What we need is that there should be less regulation. Even if you ban guns, it will not stop criminals from obtaining them. If you do not like those shootings or think guns should be banned, you should arm yourself with a gun, too, to defend yourself.

The end result? If everyone thought like that America would be a hell where everyone could shoot up the neighborhood. Congratulations.

''Tanks do not kill people, people kill people.'' So everyone should have tanks now right? If there were a black market in military tanks in the US (hypothetically speaking) and it was a large one... you guys would probably say something like that.

And this...

''If we ban military tanks then criminals will continue to get them. So if you want to defend yourself... get yourself a tank.''



Talk about escalating problems...

While the rest of the rational world would come up with ways to crack down on tank smuggling and getting rid of the existing illegal tanks... America will be bragging on and on about random rights and how you can't take away people's freedoms. Meanwhile entire city blocks are being blown by angry kids in the turrets.

Ah well... I am thankful I don't live in America because I am sure scared of many of you. You love your liberties so much you are perfectly ok with so many random people on the street carrying ranged weapons of destruction. Your neighbor could walk up to your house and shoot you up and this doesn't bother you. Any minute a random kid could shoot up a school, hospital, or swimming pool and all you have are some weak stats to comfort you. And this is all because you have some kind of near-cultic reverence for some overrated document that was drawn up by a bunch of old men in a time when there was slavery, no vote for women, and imperialism (and it wasn't even about everyone having the right to own guns even though somehow it got twisted to that... it was about militias).

Guns need to be banned. America needs to follow in the steps of Singapore, Japan, and continental Europe. And yes I am aware we would then need to crack down on the black market and the criminals.

Enough Americans don't want firearms banned, that an Amendment nullifying the 2nd Amendment will be next to impossible.

And stop bringing up Singapore and execution for gun ownership. It would be considered cruel and unusual punishment, which is unconstitutional under the 8th Amendment.

[Gun Manufacturers]

The AR15 is an accurate rifle, great for both the amateur and professional target shooter. It's why I have one.

You should get rid of it. It's too dangerous. You'll be tempted someday to shoot up the neighborhood... or someone else might grab it and go do it.

No.

It's not dangerous, it's an inanimate object, meaning it won't do anything unless I interact with it (chamber a round, take it off safe, and pull the trigger).

No, I won't be tempted to shoot up the neighborhood.

I don't see how they'd get their hands on any of my firearms, since they're locked up in my gun safe (and I'm the only one with the combination).

[Lessnt]

You should get rid of it. It's too dangerous. You'll be tempted someday to shoot up the neighborhood... or someone else might grab it and go do it.

No.

It's not dangerous, it's an inanimate object, meaning it won't do anything unless I interact with it (chamber a round, take it off safe, and pull the trigger).

No, I won't be tempted to shoot up the neighborhood.

I don't see how they'd get their hands on any of my firearms, since they're locked up in my gun safe (and I'm the only one with the combination).

California requires all unused weapons to be stored behind a california approved lock.

[Gun Manufacturers]

No.

It's not dangerous, it's an inanimate object, meaning it won't do anything unless I interact with it (chamber a round, take it off safe, and pull the trigger).

No, I won't be tempted to shoot up the neighborhood.

I don't see how they'd get their hands on any of my firearms, since they're locked up in my gun safe (and I'm the only one with the combination).

California requires all unused weapons to be stored behind a california approved lock.

Connecticut's safe storage laws have to do with making sure children can't get to them. I have no children, but I still have a gun safe.

[Rupture Farms co]

No.

It's not dangerous, it's an inanimate object, meaning it won't do anything unless I interact with it (chamber a round, take it off safe, and pull the trigger).

No, I won't be tempted to shoot up the neighborhood.

I don't see how they'd get their hands on any of my firearms, since they're locked up in my gun safe (and I'm the only one with the combination).

California requires all unused weapons to be stored behind a california approved lock.

It's funny because my 42 Mosin is resting against the wall and I fire a round out back once and a while (Live in the city). Ammo is also very close to the younqins and my little brother plays with it all the time, goes shooting with us too. He has never been tempted once to even look at the ammo with bloodlust and neither have I.

[Almire]

"2nd Amendment: ...a well regulated militia"

ShotgunRednecks =! (not equal to) well regulated militia, however, an issue here on NS sparks an interesting point; if you outlaw guns, only outlaws would have guns, making it very difficult for anyone to properly defend themselves. However, its already so difficult to do so, as some states do not glamourize shooting burglars and muggers who break in your house. If anything I'd say allow us to shoot these bastards IN ALL 50 STATES but present much more requirements of owning a gun, say a higher age prereq, or more careful licensing.

[Lessnt]

"2nd Amendment: ...a well regulated militia"

ShotgunRednecks =! (not equal to) well regulated militia, however, an issue here on NS sparks an interesting point; if you outlaw guns, only outlaws would have guns, making it very difficult for anyone to properly defend themselves. However, its already so difficult to do so, as some states do not glamourize shooting burglars and muggers who break in your house. If anything I'd say allow us to shoot these bastards IN ALL 50 STATES but present much more requirements of owning a gun, say a higher age prereq, or more careful licensing.

regulated defined as well armed and well trained.

[Rupture Farms co]

"2nd Amendment: ...a well regulated militia"

ShotgunRednecks =! (not equal to) well regulated militia, however, an issue here on NS sparks an interesting point; if you outlaw guns, only outlaws would have guns, making it very difficult for anyone to properly defend themselves. However, its already so difficult to do so, as some states do not glamourize shooting burglars and muggers who break in your house. If anything I'd say allow us to shoot these bastards IN ALL 50 STATES but present much more requirements of owning a gun, say a higher age prereq, or more careful licensing.

I think five miles in and around my threshold while acting aggressive is a good case for shooting.

[Rupture Farms co]

"2nd Amendment: ...a well regulated militia"

ShotgunRednecks =! (not equal to) well regulated militia, however, an issue here on NS sparks an interesting point; if you outlaw guns, only outlaws would have guns, making it very difficult for anyone to properly defend themselves. However, its already so difficult to do so, as some states do not glamourize shooting burglars and muggers who break in your house. If anything I'd say allow us to shoot these bastards IN ALL 50 STATES but present much more requirements of owning a gun, say a higher age prereq, or more careful licensing.

regulated defined as well armed and well trained.

I'm a pretty good shot.

[Jassysworth 1]

UK did a brave and noble thing with the gun ban. They are willing to take a risk... in a few decades, the gun crime will drop and they will be like Japan and Singapore.

Applause...

America, you should learn a few things from your Mom (the UK).

All the deaths, violence, looting, and forfeiture civil rights, in the meantime, are a needed price to paid. After all, think of the children.


The UK:
"Haroon Jahan, Shahzad Ali and Abdul Musavir were killed while protecting their property, residents said"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bi ... m-14476731

US:
"The Korean American community, seeing the police force's abandonment of Koreatown, organized armed security teams composed of store owners, who defended their livelihoods from assault by the mobs. Open gun battles were televised as Korean shopkeepers exchanged gunfire with armed looters.[31]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

Singapore has a death penalty on marijuana.

A death penalty on marijuana is a VERY good idea no? Drugs are bad...

[Gun Manufacturers]

regulated defined as well armed and well trained.

I'm a pretty good shot.

I shot better than my uncle the last time the two of us went to the range together, and he's been a police officer for 20+ years.

I wouldn't do very well on Top Shot though, I'm still not good enough to enter an actual competition.

[Jassysworth 1]

It's not dangerous, it's an inanimate object, meaning it won't do anything unless I interact with it (chamber a round, take it off safe, and pull the trigger).

Or someone else interacts with it? A psycho breaks into your house, takes your gun, and sets loose with it?

No, I won't be tempted to shoot up the neighborhood.

Trust me, don't overestimate your own capabilities to resist temptation. A gun is a temptation... get rid of it.

I don't see how they'd get their hands on any of my firearms, since they're locked up in my gun safe (and I'm the only one with the combination).

You know it is pretty easy to break through a safe right?

[Hydralis]

Outlaw guns, and only outlaws have guns. That seems real nice.

[Lessnt]

It's not dangerous, it's an inanimate object, meaning it won't do anything unless I interact with it (chamber a round, take it off safe, and pull the trigger).

Or someone else interacts with it? A psycho breaks into your house, takes your gun, and sets loose with it?

No, I won't be tempted to shoot up the neighborhood.

Trust me, don't overestimate your own capabilities to resist temptation. A gun is a temptation... get rid of it.

I don't see how they'd get their hands on any of my firearms, since they're locked up in my gun safe (and I'm the only one with the combination).

You know it is pretty easy to break through a safe right?

Hide the ammo seperate from the gun and all guns are pretty safe unless they are being used like a club.

[Jassysworth 1]

The end result? If everyone thought like that America would be a hell where everyone could shoot up the neighborhood. Congratulations.

''Tanks do not kill people, people kill people.'' So everyone should have tanks now right? If there were a black market in military tanks in the US (hypothetically speaking) and it was a large one... you guys would probably say something like that.

And this...

''If we ban military tanks then criminals will continue to get them. So if you want to defend yourself... get yourself a tank.''



Talk about escalating problems...

While the rest of the rational world would come up with ways to crack down on tank smuggling and getting rid of the existing illegal tanks... America will be bragging on and on about random rights and how you can't take away people's freedoms. Meanwhile entire city blocks are being blown by angry kids in the turrets.

Ah well... I am thankful I don't live in America because I am sure scared of many of you. You love your liberties so much you are perfectly ok with so many random people on the street carrying ranged weapons of destruction. Your neighbor could walk up to your house and shoot you up and this doesn't bother you. Any minute a random kid could shoot up a school, hospital, or swimming pool and all you have are some weak stats to comfort you. And this is all because you have some kind of near-cultic reverence for some overrated document that was drawn up by a bunch of old men in a time when there was slavery, no vote for women, and imperialism (and it wasn't even about everyone having the right to own guns even though somehow it got twisted to that... it was about militias).

Guns need to be banned. America needs to follow in the steps of Singapore, Japan, and continental Europe. And yes I am aware we would then need to crack down on the black market and the criminals.

Enough Americans don't want firearms banned, that an Amendment nullifying the 2nd Amendment will be next to impossible.

And stop bringing up Singapore and execution for gun ownership. It would be considered cruel and unusual punishment, which is unconstitutional under the 8th Amendment.

It's very simple... change the Constitution. It's clear outdated (written in the 1700s in a time before women could vote, slavery, and imperialism).

It's not cruel and unusual punishment to execute someone for carrying an illegal gun anymore than it is cruel and unusual punishment t execute someone for drug possession/trafficking (real life countries do this). Right?

If people know they will get executed for owning a gun or smoking... they'll stop. It will work trust me... a total ban...

[Jassysworth 1]

Outlaw guns, and only outlaws have guns. That seems real nice.

No you go after the outlaws until they don't have guns too (common sense?).

[Lessnt]

Enough Americans don't want firearms banned, that an Amendment nullifying the 2nd Amendment will be next to impossible.

And stop bringing up Singapore and execution for gun ownership. It would be considered cruel and unusual punishment, which is unconstitutional under the 8th Amendment.

It's very simple... change the Constitution. It's clear outdated (written in the 1700s in a time before women could vote, slavery, and imperialism).

It's not cruel and unusual punishment to execute someone for carrying an illegal gun anymore than it is cruel and unusual punishment t execute someone for drug possession/trafficking (real life countries do this). Right?

If people know they will get executed for owning a gun or smoking... they'll stop. It will work trust me... a total ban...

No one in the USA are executed unless they are in a state that has the death penalty and they kill someone.Then it is up for a court to decide.
Were not barbarians you know?