Repeal the 2nd Amendment

[Hungry]

Guns that don't have a purpose except to kill other humans should be banned.

Guns such as Pistols which are used for Defense and Hunting Rifles should be left legal.

So, I support regulations on guns but not an outright ban.

[Natapoc]

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Another good one:



Why is it okay to regulate every aspect of our lives EXCEPT bullets and guns?

[The UK in Exile]

Guns that don't have a purpose except to kill other humans should be banned.

Guns such as Pistols which are used for Defense and Hunting Rifles should be left legal.

So, I support regulations on guns but not an outright ban.

how is a gun used for defence not intended to kill other humans?

[Kel-Elysia]

Without firearms (a complete ban and lots of enforcement) you can have the the socioeconomic and environmental factors you want and there still won't be mass shootings.

It makes a huge difference if we've got shooters or people with other types of weapons. Guns are dangerous and easy to use... the most dangerous weapons and you can't run away from them.

You don't think preventing school shootings and gun crime is a worthy cause? Not worthy of completely banning guns? You want to tell this to the families of the victims of gun crime and school shootings?

There is a reason that sort of nonsense doesn't happen in places like Singapore and Japan. They take the right kind of attitude towards guns... they are DANGEROUS.

So, rather than fix the problem, you'd rather just get rid of firearms?

Meh...this.

And by the way, I lol at the brother who you quoted. The low crime rate in Japan (I'm not sure what Singapore's is) can be attributed to societal factors...and even then you have the Yakuza around...

By the way, Spreewerke, I like your firearm review site.

[Hungry]

Guns that don't have a purpose except to kill other humans should be banned.

Guns such as Pistols which are used for Defense and Hunting Rifles should be left legal.

So, I support regulations on guns but not an outright ban.

how is a gun used for defence not intended to kill other humans?

The purpose of a pistol for defense is to offer a deterrent to assailants and to protect you from attacks, not for you to kill them.

[Secruss]

Considering that the number of responisble gun owners who greatly enjoy using their weapons for recreational purposes outnumber the criminal gun owners by the thousands, banning firearms would result in far more suffering than keeping them legal. Especially considering that gun violence is almost entirely determined by external socioeconomic and environmental factors and not firearms.

Without firearms (a complete ban and lots of enforcement) you can have the the socioeconomic and environmental factors you want and there still won't be mass shootings.

It makes a huge difference if we've got shooters or people with other types of weapons. Guns are dangerous and easy to use... the most dangerous weapons and you can't run away from them.

You don't think preventing school shootings and gun crime is a worthy cause? Not worthy of completely banning guns? You want to tell this to the families of the victims of gun crime and school shootings?

There is a reason that sort of nonsense doesn't happen in places like Singapore and Japan. They take the right kind of attitude towards guns... they are DANGEROUS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_ ... by_country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... death_rate

Gun ownership and death by guns do not line up.

South Africa's deaths per gun is 5.87.

The US: 0.11.

Japan: 0.11. (About the same as the US)

Switzerland: 0.14.

Finland: 0.21.

Colombia: 8.77.

El Salvador: 8.68.

Estonia: 1.38.




Try again.

EDIT:

Not even taking into account that most gun deaths are gang on gang.

Also, not taking into account that some people own more than one gun.

[Jassysworth 1]

So, rather than fix the problem, you'd rather just get rid of firearms?

Meh...this.

And by the way, I lol at the brother who you quoted. The low crime rate in Japan (I'm not sure what Singapore's is) can be attributed to societal factors...and even then you have the Yakuza around...

By the way, Spreewerke, I like your firearm review site.

Firearms are a part of the problem too. You can't ignore that part either. Ban the guns... then you can work on the other factors. One factor at a time... but guns need to go.

And no there are no mass shootings in Singapore and Japan. Nothing to do with guns being illegal?

[Secruss]

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Another good one:



Why is it okay to regulate every aspect of our lives EXCEPT bullets and guns?

It's not OK to regulate any aspect of our lives.

A slave mentality wants regulation and equality by oppression.

A free mentality wants equality by unfetterment.

[Spreewerke]

So, rather than fix the problem, you'd rather just get rid of firearms?

Meh...this.

And by the way, I lol at the brother who you quoted. The low crime rate in Japan (I'm not sure what Singapore's is) can be attributed to societal factors...and even then you have the Yakuza around...

By the way, Spreewerke, I like your firearm review site.

Thank you.

[Des-Bal]

The purpose of a pistol for defense is to offer a deterrent to assailants and to protect you from attacks, not for you to kill them.

If that's the purpose of a pistol then you can just replace it with a taser or pepper spray or anything else. Guns are intended to be lethal.

[The UK in Exile]

Without firearms (a complete ban and lots of enforcement) you can have the the socioeconomic and environmental factors you want and there still won't be mass shootings.

It makes a huge difference if we've got shooters or people with other types of weapons. Guns are dangerous and easy to use... the most dangerous weapons and you can't run away from them.

You don't think preventing school shootings and gun crime is a worthy cause? Not worthy of completely banning guns? You want to tell this to the families of the victims of gun crime and school shootings?

There is a reason that sort of nonsense doesn't happen in places like Singapore and Japan. They take the right kind of attitude towards guns... they are DANGEROUS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_ ... by_country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... death_rate

Gun ownership and death by guns do not line up.

South Africa's deaths per gun is 5.87.

The US: 0.11.

Japan: 0.11. (About the same as the US)

Switzerland: 0.14.

Finland: 0.21.

Colombia: 8.77.

El Salvador: 8.68.

Estonia: 1.38.




Try again.

EDIT:

Not even taking into account that most gun deaths are gang on gang.

Also, not taking into account that some people own more than one gun.

If I understand right this says that a gun kills the same number of people wether its in america or japan or switzerland.

in other words, its not the culture thats the problem, its the number of guns.

you just shot yourself in the foot.

[The UK in Exile]

how is a gun used for defence not intended to kill other humans?

The purpose of a pistol for defense is to offer a deterrent to assailants and to protect you from attacks, not for you to kill them.

deterrent: by threatening to kill them.

[Des-Bal]

If I understand right this says that a gun kills the same number of people wether its in america or japan or switzerland.

in other words, its not the culture thats the problem, its the number of guns.

you just shot yourself in the foot.

Deaths per gun having fewer guns does not equal having fewer deaths due to guns.

[Secruss]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_ ... by_country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... death_rate

Gun ownership and death by guns do not line up.

South Africa's deaths per gun is 5.87.

The US: 0.11.

Japan: 0.11. (About the same as the US)

Switzerland: 0.14.

Finland: 0.21.

Colombia: 8.77.

El Salvador: 8.68.

Estonia: 1.38.




Try again.

EDIT:

Not even taking into account that most gun deaths are gang on gang.

Also, not taking into account that some people own more than one gun.

If I understand right this says that a gun kills the same number of people wether its in america or japan or switzerland.

in other words, its not the culture thats the problem, its the number of guns.

you just shot yourself in the foot.

What?

Deaths PER gun.

Although I suppose it should be stated as deaths per 1,000 guns.

EDIT:

1000

[Spreewerke]

The purpose of a pistol for defense is to offer a deterrent to assailants and to protect you from attacks, not for you to kill them.

If that's the purpose of a pistol then you can just replace it with a taser or pepper spray or anything else. Guns are intended to be lethal.

That's why they (guns) scare the crap out of would-be criminals.

If you wanted to punch me in the urethra, which would make you reconsider that choice the most? Me pulling out a small bat, or me pulling out a handgun?

[United Dependencies]

It's not OK to regulate any aspect of our lives.

A slave mentality wants regulation and equality by oppression.

A free mentality wants equality by unfetterment.

Hey you shouldn't steal from that guy!

oops sorry, I guess I'm just another government sheep. Go ahead and take whatever you want from wherever(and whomever) you want.

[The UK in Exile]

If I understand right this says that a gun kills the same number of people wether its in america or japan or switzerland.

in other words, its not the culture thats the problem, its the number of guns.

you just shot yourself in the foot.

Deaths per gun having fewer guns does not equal having fewer deaths due to guns.

if it measures deaths per gun and the rate of deaths per gun is constant regardless of wether you have swiss, japanese or american gun controls then reducing the number of guns reduces the number of deaths.

or have I missed something?

[Secruss]

It's not OK to regulate any aspect of our lives.

A slave mentality wants regulation and equality by oppression.

A free mentality wants equality by unfetterment.

Hey you shouldn't steal from that guy!

oops sorry, I guess I'm just another government sheep. Go ahead and take whatever you want from wherever(and whomever) you want.

Nice strawman.

And government's the biggest thief around.

The US government take average of 57.7% of all your income.

What happens if you don't pay up? They send you to the rape cage. Sounds like thievery to me. You should open a new topic for this. "Are taxes stealing?"

http://nowandfutures.com/taxes.html

[Des-Bal]

And government's the biggest thief around.

The US government take average of 57.7% of all your income.

What happens if you don't pay up? They send you to the rape cage. Sounds like thievery to me. You should open a new topic for this. "Are taxes stealing?"

http://nowandfutures.com/taxes.html

You don't want to pay taxes you can move.

if it measures deaths per gun and the rate of deaths per gun is constant regardless of wether you have swiss, japanese or american gun controls then reducing the number of guns reduces the number of deaths.

or have I missed something?

You're missing the fact that the rate of deaths per gun isn't constant.

[Secruss]

Deaths per gun having fewer guns does not equal having fewer deaths due to guns.

if it measures deaths per gun and the rate of deaths per gun is constant regardless of wether you have swiss, japanese or american gun controls then reducing the number of guns reduces the number of deaths.

or have I missed something?

Yeah, that gun control =/= crime control.

This is my local paper.

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/ ... ime/nNmpT/

This is the Seattle Pi.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/opinion/ ... 225361.php

Who doesn't listen to the law? Criminals.

[Wamitoria]

You should open a new topic for this. "Are taxes stealing?"

NO!! GOD!!! PLEASE GOD NOOOO!!!!

We had a thread like that before and it was awful and was locked at least 4 times for flaming.

[Alien Space Bats]

Hey you shouldn't steal from that guy!

oops sorry, I guess I'm just another government sheep. Go ahead and take whatever you want from wherever(and whomever) you want.

Nice strawman.

And government's the biggest thief around.

The US government take average of 57.7% of all your income.

What happens if you don't pay up? They send you to the rape cage. Sounds like thievery to me. You should open a new topic for this. "Are taxes stealing?"

http://nowandfutures.com/taxes.html

Bad math is bad.

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And if you can't figure out why the math is bad, I can't help you.

[The UK in Exile]

And government's the biggest thief around.

The US government take average of 57.7% of all your income.

What happens if you don't pay up? They send you to the rape cage. Sounds like thievery to me. You should open a new topic for this. "Are taxes stealing?"

http://nowandfutures.com/taxes.html

You don't want to pay taxes you can move.

if it measures deaths per gun and the rate of deaths per gun is constant regardless of wether you have swiss, japanese or american gun controls then reducing the number of guns reduces the number of deaths.

or have I missed something?

You're missing the fact that the rate of deaths per gun isn't constant.

it is for those three countries japan, switzerland and america. unless america has a massive cocaine growing industry we can probably rule out colombia as a fair basis for comparison. the US does have a history of massive racial inequality so I guess we could leave in south africa but given how long ago the civil war was I thought it best to leave it out.

[United Dependencies]

Hey you shouldn't steal from that guy!

oops sorry, I guess I'm just another government sheep. Go ahead and take whatever you want from wherever(and whomever) you want.

Nice strawman.

It's not OK to regulate any aspect of our lives.

emphasis mine

[Des-Bal]

it is for those three countries japan, switzerland and america. unless america has a massive cocaine growing industry we can probably rule out colombia as a fair basis for comparison. the US does have a history of massive racial inequality so I guess we could leave in south africa but given how long ago the civil war was I thought it best to leave it out.

That's not what constant means. The point is the rate of death per guns is very variable, it's not as simple as fewer guns means fewer deaths by gun. If it was as simple as guns=death there would be a proportional increase based on how many guns are in the country.