Repeal the 2nd Amendment

[Imperial Virginia]

... if the guns weren't manufactured in the first place, the point would be moot.

"If spoons were not manufactured in the first place, so many people would not be fat."

[Jassysworth 1]

I think this was a plot point of a novel I read once

anyways, I have to strongly disagree with this, as the phrase 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' is true: banning guns won't magically decrease violence, just violence committed with guns, and it doesn't matter what it's committed with, unnessecary violence is always a problem

There is a huge difference between violence with a gun and violence with something else. A teenager who wants to hurt people who can get hold of a gun can kill over 20 people easily. Can he do it if he didn't get guns? Not very easily and not unless he has a very devious imagination and lots of smarts.

Also, while crime won't magically be reduced you'll find that all of a sudden a lot of lives just will be saved because some nutter can't just go grab a gun and shoot up his neighborhood. We might see a few people TORCHING their neighborhood with gasoline but guess what? No GUNS. Will less people die? Yes. Guns make people ridiculously dangerous.

Just because unecessary violence will always be a problem doesn't mean we shouldn't try to reduce the destructiveness of the average act (by getting rid of guns). And just because guns don't kill people, people kill people doesn't mean that guns don't play a role in that. We were talking about people USING guns and not about either one in isolation?

[Shrillland]

If they're torching neighbourhoods more people die because more devastation would be unleashed.

[Jassysworth 1]

I beg to differ. Police are trained professionals who are here to maintain law and order, in the 21st century they need guns to get things done. I don't like guns but we are going to have to settle for a police force that uses them. There are huge controls on who can get to be a police officer and carry a gun and who cannot.

Ordinary people are not trained professionals in the use of firearms. There's also too high of a risk that a nutcase or criminal will get hold of them and start a shooting rampage.

Ever heard of a policeman going on a shooting rampage? No. Civilians on the other hand... not to be trusted with guns.

90 in every 100 people in America have a gun, yet you only hear about 2 of them going on a rampage every once in a while. The majority of people are sane, if they arent then you should refer them to a psychiatrist.

Unfortunately those 2 out of the 90 of every 100 Americans you are talking about have become an infamous percentage. Do you realize how many lives could have been saved if they did not have access to the guns in the first place? And we need to take the guns out of everyone else too because they might somehow (on purporse or accidentally) let their guns reach the hands of nutters. We also need to worry about criminals...

The amount of destruction people can wreck on their society with guns is just unimaginable. We need to take this possibility away... protect our hospitals, schools, and neighborhoods.

[Phonencia]

The NRA can talk all they want about how "guns don't kill people ... people kill people" but at the end of the day if the guns weren't manufactured in the first place, the point would be moot.

Since no court seems willing to put a logical legal interpretation on the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution, it should just be outright appealed.

In every tragedy there is a silver lining - and if this Colorado shooting catastrophe brings us any closer to banning recreational ownership of assault rifles and handguns in the US, then maybe something can come of it.

It's just too easy to get a hold of a gun.

I and all my brothers recreationally own assault rifles and handguns (I don't own the later though)

We commit mass murder every weekend...

[New Naephak]

I'd like to keep my right to bear arms.

And also my right to be too lazy to make a 'bear arms' pun.

[Pyschotika]

I think for pure comedy, I'd dabble into self-induced insanity and going on a stabbing spree the day any repeal of the 2nd Amendment would pass. I think there'd be more enjoyment that way.

I wonder if the hidden meaning will ever be discovered there!!

[Occupied Deutschland]

I think it is more a lot of countries - including GB - have tighter gun control laws and don't find themselves slipping into the cesspits of doom and decay a lot of pro-gun advocates claim will happen if the US does anything at all to restrict or control firearms in the US.

So they would say "why don't you get some better gun control laws in place? You might find you'll have less crime and accidental deaths if you did".

What does Africa have to do with it?

Maybe instead of stricter or looser gun laws, the Government should just require people to undergo a psychological screening before they are certified to own a gun, and maybe do it every couple of years, maybe then you wouldnt have a bunch of insane people running around with a gun.

I brought up Africa because I wanted you to realize the US is not the WORST country in the world.

How does that sound?

That is, without a doubt, a bad idea. For the following reasons:
1) Lack of clear/consensus on what constitutes indicators as to who is a mentally unstable person.
2) Lack of any test that could expose any such indicators if they could be agreed upon.
3) Impracticality of administering said test.
4) Ease with which such a test could be influenced (knowingly or unknowingly) by whoever designed it to discriminate against those who are mentally healthy but fail the 'test' for one reason or another.
5) Psychological screening at the point of purchase (or at a set amount of time after purchase) can't predict or anticipate future actions. People CAN indeed 'snap' and no psych test in the world is going to catch that. Background checks do accomplish this.

Psych screenings for gun ownership is a bad idea.

[Jassysworth 1]

The NRA can talk all they want about how "guns don't kill people ... people kill people" but at the end of the day if the guns weren't manufactured in the first place, the point would be moot.

Since no court seems willing to put a logical legal interpretation on the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution, it should just be outright appealed.

In every tragedy there is a silver lining - and if this Colorado shooting catastrophe brings us any closer to banning recreational ownership of assault rifles and handguns in the US, then maybe something can come of it.

It's just too easy to get a hold of a gun.

I and all my brothers recreationally own assault rifles and handguns (I don't own the later though)

We commit mass murder every weekend...

You see what I mean? This is why they need to be banned.

[Sardine World]

alright people alright

This is my final idea and Im not going to go down anymore:

How bout we just ban guns in certain areas - Highly populated, near a school or point of interest (what with 9/11 and all) and all that stuff, that way maybe not as many people would die, you know what bad can a farmer that lives 200 miles from the nearest grocery store. Opinions?

[Chernoslavia]

If you dont like it then GTFO
But seriously, arent guns illegal in GB? The only reason we have all this news is because we are a civilised country that is expected to control its citizens, but yet there are millions upon millions of guns in most parts of africa (Somalia, Libya, Sierra Leone etc.) Those are places where guns give you all the power, just think about Kony. My point being is that the only reason the US is ridiculed is because its expected to control most of its population, and stuff gets out of control... a lot, but we arent the only nation with crime so do your research.

You know the difference between the US and Somalia, Libya and Sierra Leone etc? The US is a DEVELOPPED COUNTRY and a DEMOCRACY. It is expected to be better than the rest of the world in controlling people and getting things done. Yet it made the very silly mistake of keeping guns in the hands of normal people until things have clearly gone over the top. I am suggesting we move on the long and tiring but NECESSARY road of rectifying this mistake while many of us here seem to be suggesting that we GIVE UP and just let this mistake continue. Yeah random shootings have happened in the past and they will continue in the future but we will just let people die because it's too TIRING and too INTRUSIVE to start getting rid of the guns right? So we won't even try?

Criminals dont go to gunstores because in a gunsotre you are required to have a clean record and be of sane mind. Criminals buy guns off the streets from gangs, gun smugglers, etc.

Are you COMFORTABLE with the US having this trait of commonality with certain underdeveloped and unfortunate African countries? Do you want a strong and respected America where people can't just go and shoot up their neighborhood or do you want an America where like places in Africa, you can go and shoot up your neighborhood?

If some crazy nut tries to massacre people in my neighborhood, I can easily pop their head open with my assault rifle, problem solved.

If the rest of the developed world can do it, so can America. We need to get the guns away from the people... before more innocents are killed because some teenager can't control his anger. A civilized, powerful country like America shouldn't tolerate this sort of stuff happening.

Teenagers arent even old enough to buy guns! And countries in africa prohibit gun ownership, yet genocide and crime is still common.

[Phonencia]

I and all my brothers recreationally own assault rifles and handguns (I don't own the later though)

We commit mass murder every weekend...

You see what I mean? This is why they need to be banned.

not sure if sarcastic and cool or just in need of lobotomy...

[Pontin]

I think this was a plot point of a novel I read once

anyways, I have to strongly disagree with this, as the phrase 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' is true: banning guns won't magically decrease violence, just violence committed with guns, and it doesn't matter what it's committed with, unnessecary violence is always a problem

Although i do agree with the statement it is true that guns make it a lot ezer to kill than say a knife or a blunt object. If youv ever had to use a knife on someone you'd know its not nearly as ez as pulling a trigger, the tactile feed back stops most from following through with it that. ranged weapons enable you to kill at a distance and separates you from the thing or person you kill. Distance sets up an emphatic barrier that allows the user to more effectively take down a target. I don't however agree with a general ban. Reasonable regulation is all that's needed. I don't need a belt fed m249 to stop someone from breaking into my home my p99 is just fine for that. Gun ownership should also come with a competency test in the same one drivers licenses do.

And that's my 2.5 cents

[North Calaveras]

alright people alright

This is my final idea and Im not going to go down anymore:

How bout we just ban guns in certain areas - Highly populated, near a school or point of interest (what with 9/11 and all) and all that stuff, that way maybe not as many people would die, you know what bad can a farmer that lives 200 miles from the nearest grocery store. Opinions?

I propose this as well, we shall call them gun-free zones

[Psychedelra]

Whether it's written or not, it's my right.
It's my right to love who I want, to smoke what I want, to eat what I want, and to have the means to defend myself that I am able to acquire.

I don't think anyone understands this. The fact that people are relying on the government to give them 'rights' is absurd, and anything given is privilege. It isn't your right to bear arms in the second amendment, its your granted permission to bear arms. If the second amendment didn't exist, would you be as adamant in defending what you believe is a right to possess whatever means to defend yourself?

I, personally, do not care whether the second amendment exists or not. It is simply a convenience that the government will not try to impede as strongly upon my natural right to bear arms that I have not because it is given to me by another, but because I choose to take it and defend it. I would love to see the day for the second amendment to be repealed and for someone to attempt to confiscate what is rightfully mine that I would only justly use in my own defense or for my family's defense. Sounds an awful lot like theft.

[Occupied Deutschland]

alright people alright

This is my final idea and Im not going to go down anymore:

How bout we just ban guns in certain areas - Highly populated, near a school or point of interest (what with 9/11 and all) and all that stuff, that way maybe not as many people would die, you know what bad can a farmer that lives 200 miles from the nearest grocery store. Opinions?

They tried that with Washington DC.

For a long time they were the murder capital of America thanks to criminals not paying attention to the gun ban.

[Jassysworth 1]

You know the difference between the US and Somalia, Libya and Sierra Leone etc? The US is a DEVELOPPED COUNTRY and a DEMOCRACY. It is expected to be better than the rest of the world in controlling people and getting things done. Yet it made the very silly mistake of keeping guns in the hands of normal people until things have clearly gone over the top. I am suggesting we move on the long and tiring but NECESSARY road of rectifying this mistake while many of us here seem to be suggesting that we GIVE UP and just let this mistake continue. Yeah random shootings have happened in the past and they will continue in the future but we will just let people die because it's too TIRING and too INTRUSIVE to start getting rid of the guns right? So we won't even try?

Criminals dont go to gunstores because in a gunsotre you are required to have a clean record and be of sane mind. Criminals buy guns off the streets from gangs, gun smugglers, etc.

Are you COMFORTABLE with the US having this trait of commonality with certain underdeveloped and unfortunate African countries? Do you want a strong and respected America where people can't just go and shoot up their neighborhood or do you want an America where like places in Africa, you can go and shoot up your neighborhood?

If some crazy nut tries to massacre people in my neighborhood, I can easily pop their head open with my assault rifle, problem solved.

If the rest of the developed world can do it, so can America. We need to get the guns away from the people... before more innocents are killed because some teenager can't control his anger. A civilized, powerful country like America shouldn't tolerate this sort of stuff happening.

Teenagers arent even old enough to buy guns! And countries in africa prohibit gun ownership, yet genocide and crime is still common.

That doesn't mean they can't get the guns from their parents who ARE old enough, from their friends, from drug rings, or from any other source.

TOO many guns circulating around in America, legally and illegally. This is a dangerous situation and any way of regulating it won't make the problem disappear. There can be no compromise here. We must wage a War on Guns and get rid of all guns in the hands of civilians. We need to protect everyone from the threat of random shooting sprees.

As for your thing about Africa, I think America has a bit... not a LOT more capability to get things done then a poor and unfortunate African country. America can be a powerful and safe country... but we NEED to get started towards the road of getting rid of guns (no matter how tough). One step at a time but we can get there... and have a safer tomorrow for everyone.

[Chernoslavia]

alright people alright

This is my final idea and Im not going to go down anymore:

How bout we just ban guns in certain areas - Highly populated, near a school or point of interest (what with 9/11 and all) and all that stuff, that way maybe not as many people would die, you know what bad can a farmer that lives 200 miles from the nearest grocery store. Opinions?

By law guns are prohibited on school property, but that must've worked real well with this school. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_ ... l_massacre

[Shrillland]

Teenagers arent even old enough to buy guns! And countries in africa prohibit gun ownership, yet genocide and crime is still common.

That doesn't mean they can't get the guns from their parents who ARE old enough, from their friends, from drug rings, or from any other source.

TOO many guns circulating around in America, legally and illegally. This is a dangerous situation and any way of regulating it won't make the problem disappear. There can be no compromise here. We must wage a War on Guns and get rid of all guns in the hands of civilians. We need to protect everyone from the threat of random shooting sprees.

As for your thing about Africa, I think America has a bit... not a LOT more capability to get things done then a poor and unfortunate African country. America can be a powerful and safe country... but we NEED to get started towards the road of getting rid of guns (no matter how tough). One step at a time but we can get there... and have a safer tomorrow for everyone.

A war on Guns is a bad idea. Just look at the War on Drugs, and you'll see that it would make the problem worse, not better.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Teenagers arent even old enough to buy guns! And countries in africa prohibit gun ownership, yet genocide and crime is still common.

That doesn't mean they can't get the guns from their parents who ARE old enough, from their friends, from drug rings, or from any other source (1).

TOO many guns circulating around in America, legally and illegally. This is a dangerous situation and any way of regulating it won't make the problem disappear. There can be no compromise here. We must wage a War on Guns and get rid of all guns in the hands of civilians. We need to protect everyone from the threat of random shooting sprees (2).

As for your thing about Africa, I think America has a bit... not a LOT more capability to get things done then a poor and unfortunate African country. America can be a powerful and safe country... but we NEED to get started towards the road of getting rid of guns (no matter how tough). One step at a time but we can get there... and have a safer tomorrow for everyone (3).

1: EXACTLY. And a national gun that rounds up people's guns isn't going to get guns from drug rings or any other such source because they don't give a goddamn if they have a gun illegally.
2: Not sure if serious...
3: You had me going there man. I though you were serious all this time!

[Jassysworth 1]

You see what I mean? This is why they need to be banned.

not sure if sarcastic and cool or just in need of lobotomy...

If a person joked about 'committing mass murder every weekend' then he might need the process you just described. And... if a person were actually serious about 'committing mass murder every weekend' then he might also just need the process you just described.

Why would you joke about committing mass murder? Is that a joke to you? Lives can be saved sir...

[Raeyh]

That doesn't mean they can't get the guns from their parents who ARE old enough, from their friends, from drug rings, or from any other source.

TOO many guns circulating around in America, legally and illegally. This is a dangerous situation and any way of regulating it won't make the problem disappear. There can be no compromise here. We must wage a War on Guns and get rid of all guns in the hands of civilians. We need to protect everyone from the threat of random shooting sprees.

As for your thing about Africa, I think America has a bit... not a LOT more capability to get things done then a poor and unfortunate African country. America can be a powerful and safe country... but we NEED to get started towards the road of getting rid of guns (no matter how tough). One step at a time but we can get there... and have a safer tomorrow for everyone.

A war on Guns is a bad idea. Just look at the War on Drugs, and you'll see that it would make the problem worse, not better.

There is a diffrence between having a war on guns and allowing people to buy shotguns at Wally World.

[Sardine World]

alright people alright

This is my final idea and Im not going to go down anymore:

How bout we just ban guns in certain areas - Highly populated, near a school or point of interest (what with 9/11 and all) and all that stuff, that way maybe not as many people would die, you know what bad can a farmer that lives 200 miles from the nearest grocery store. Opinions?

They tried that with Washington DC.

For a long time they were the murder capital of America thanks to criminals not paying attention to the gun ban.

how would they get a gun if they are banned
gubment can monitor anything that comes in and out of the city (ships and trucks and stuff you know)
and people outside of town that run a gun shop should be able to know where this person lives - and determine whether or not they can own a gun in their area of residency

maybe then murders would decrease? and who says murder has to be committed with a gun? I can murder someone with the keyboard im typing on right now.

alright people alright

This is my final idea and Im not going to go down anymore:

How bout we just ban guns in certain areas - Highly populated, near a school or point of interest (what with 9/11 and all) and all that stuff, that way maybe not as many people would die, you know what bad can a farmer that lives 200 miles from the nearest grocery store. Opinions?

By law guns are prohibited on school property, but that must've worked real well with this school. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_ ... l_massacre

If the government needs to install metal detectors at the front entrance of every school then let them do it - It worked well on Reno 911

[Shrillland]

A war on Guns is a bad idea. Just look at the War on Drugs, and you'll see that it would make the problem worse, not better.

There is a diffrence between having a war on guns and allowing people to buy shotguns at Wally World.

Of course there is. But he is advocating banning all guns altogether in the same method that we've tried and failed with the war on drugs.

[Occupied Deutschland]

not sure if sarcastic and cool or just in need of lobotomy...

If a person joked about 'committing mass murder every weekend' then he might need the process you just described. And... if a person were actually serious about 'committing mass murder every weekend' then he might also just need the process you just described.

Why would you joke about committing mass murder? Is that a joke to you? Lives can be saved sir...

That's what I'm doing though!

I go out every weekend, commit a mass murder or two and BAM, there's enough food on the planet for a few more starving African kids.

I honestly deserve a medal and some pay for my time, but I'm a kind soul so I'll just deduct my killing sprees as a charitable donation and we'll call it good.