Repeal the 2nd Amendment

[Raeyh]

You can't repeal an amendment, you have to pass another overriding the first one. Also, completely unregulated small arms market FTW.

There already is a completely unregulated small arms black market.

[Chernoslavia]

You can't repeal an amendment, you have to pass another overriding the first one. Also, completely unregulated small arms market FTW.

Also known as one repealing it…

Which the government doesnt have the power to.

[Wadiyajikistan]

Interesting (saying it in a non-threatening voice) the Iraqi insurgents of Suuni and Shiiti have done just that. (Sorry if I spelled their names wrong.) and they are kinda like gangs.

How many different factions of them are there?

Of what I know of, the Shiitis and the Sunnis are the big boys, but im sure there are several independent factions who fought themselves and American soldiers in Iraq.

[Not Safe For Work]

And? You think that the Russian Mafia cares who rules America, so long as the money is good?

EXACTLY! If you got money theyll give you weapons, which is how gun running works on, all they want is money.

So, at absolute best... you're arguing the street gangs and organized crime... will neither fight for America, nor against it.

I think you're wrong - I think that a smart occupier would promise some of the biggest groups special perks to help them wipe out lesser groups and help them suppress other elements.

[Chernoslavia]

We dont need them to fight we just need them to supply us with the contraband we need, which they can easily smuggle into the country like they do every goddamn time.

Said country doesn't currently have a military blockade in place around it.

That wont do anything. Theres hundreds of ways of getting illegal weapons, hell we dont even need the mafia thats just one connection we would have.

[Jassysworth 1]

My two cents on this: get rid of the 2nd Amendment and ban guns eventually. I don't care how long it will take to get into effect or how much more police funding we need to get there... we need to get there.

The US is becoming some a sort of dark joke as the world capital of crazy shooter rampages. Only in America, where millions and millions legally and illegally own guns do we hear about stuff like the Columbine Shootings taking place. Do we hear about such bloody fiascos in Britain? In Japan? In the rest of the developped world? No. It's only in America... because people like their guns way too much.

The fact that the US is the only notable country to be associated with random shootings in all of the developed world just MIGHT suggest that it was a bad idea to keep guns in the hands of ordinary people. It doesn't matter if ''guns don't kill people, people kill people...' if guns were NOT in the hands of ordinary people... countless lives could have been saved. The fact is that there is always a population of nutcases in any country... handing out guns to your population just gives these few but VERY dangerous people the capabilities to wreck destruction on the rest of us innocent people. Why should this continue?

Maybe America should follow the example of the rest of the world... and move towards getting RID of guns altogether. What good is a certain liberty if it can cause the death of so many people? Why should we keep the guns in the hands of the people?

[Chernoslavia]

EXACTLY! If you got money theyll give you weapons, which is how gun running works on, all they want is money.

So, at absolute best... you're arguing the street gangs and organized crime... will neither fight for America, nor against it.

I think you're wrong - I think that a smart occupier would promise some of the biggest groups special perks to help them wipe out lesser groups and help them suppress other elements.

Im talking big organized family run gangs, not your average ''slap hoes N stalk-a-bitch'' type gangs.

[Not Safe For Work]

So they can continue to fight amongst themselves and fight an invading force?

Hate to say it but that isn't multi-tasking, that's stupid and it isn't going to win them a war.

Interesting (saying it in a non-threatening voice) the Iraqi insurgents of Suuni and Shiiti have done just that. (Sorry if I spelled their names wrong.) and they are kinda like gangs.

Not sure which you're arguing, that gangs would work together, or they wouldn't. Religious polarization has increased in Iraq, since the occupation - and sectarian violence increased (to the point where Iraq was basically in an undeclared civil war in 2006-7. Even now, sectarian violence kills hundreds of Iraqis, every month. Occupying forces seem to be a catalyst for increased opportunistic violence between groups and decreased unity.

[Chernoslavia]

My two cents on this: get rid of the 2nd Amendment and ban guns eventually. I don't care how long it will take to get into effect or how much more police funding we need to get there... we need to get there.

If they lay a hand on my gun I'll kill them. So there for it aint happening, there's too many of us.

The US is becoming some a sort of dark joke as the world capital of crazy shooter rampages. Only in America, where millions and millions legally and illegally own guns do we hear about stuff like the Columbine Shootings taking place. Do we hear about such bloody fiascos in Britain? In Japan? In the rest of the developped world? No. It's only in America... because people like their guns way too much.

Source please :)

The fact that the US is the only notable country to be associated with random shootings in all of the developed world just MIGHT suggest that it was a bad idea to keep guns in the hands of ordinary people. It doesn't matter if ''guns don't kill people, people kill people...' if guns were NOT in the hands of ordinary people... countless lives could have been saved. The fact is that there is always a population of nutcases in any country... handing out guns to your population just gives these few but VERY dangerous people the capabilities to wreck destruction on the rest of us innocent people. Why should this continue?

Maybe America should follow the example of the rest of the world... and move towards getting RID of guns altogether. What good is a certain liberty if it can cause the death of so many people? Why should we keep the guns in the hands of the people?

Why should we keep guns in the hands of people? Same reason why we keep guns in the hands of cops!

[Not Safe For Work]

So, at absolute best... you're arguing the street gangs and organized crime... will neither fight for America, nor against it.

I think you're wrong - I think that a smart occupier would promise some of the biggest groups special perks to help them wipe out lesser groups and help them suppress other elements.

Im talking big organized family run gangs, not your average ''slap hoes N stalk-a-bitch'' type gangs.

That's the second time you've said something like that. It's still not addressing what I'm saying. There's no reason to believe that organized crime would side with the resistance rather than the occupation - indeed, given their current status as outlaws, the likeliest result is that they would fight against any attempt to reassert the current status quo.

[Sardine World]

My two cents on this: get rid of the 2nd Amendment and ban guns eventually. I don't care how long it will take to get into effect or how much more police funding we need to get there... we need to get there.

The US is becoming some a sort of dark joke as the world capital of crazy shooter rampages. Only in America, where millions and millions legally and illegally own guns do we hear about stuff like the Columbine Shootings taking place. Do we hear about such bloody fiascos in Britain? In Japan? In the rest of the developped world? No. It's only in America... because people like their guns way too much.

The fact that the US is the only notable country to be associated with random shootings in all of the developed world just MIGHT suggest that it was a bad idea to keep guns in the hands of ordinary people. It doesn't matter if ''guns don't kill people, people kill people...' if guns were NOT in the hands of ordinary people... countless lives could have been saved. The fact is that there is always a population of nutcases in any country... handing out guns to your population just gives these few but VERY dangerous people the capabilities to wreck destruction on the rest of us innocent people. Why should this continue?

Maybe America should follow the example of the rest of the world... and move towards getting RID of guns altogether. What good is a certain liberty if it can cause the death of so many people? Why should we keep the guns in the hands of the people?

If you dont like it then GTFO
But seriously, arent guns illegal in GB? The only reason we have all this news is because we are a civilised country that is expected to control its citizens, but yet there are millions upon millions of guns in most parts of africa (Somalia, Libya, Sierra Leone etc.) Those are places where guns give you all the power, just think about Kony. My point being is that the only reason the US is ridiculed is because its expected to control most of its population, and stuff gets out of control... a lot, but we arent the only nation with crime so do your research.

[Chernoslavia]

Im talking big organized family run gangs, not your average ''slap hoes N stalk-a-bitch'' type gangs.

That's the second time you've said something like that. It's still not addressing what I'm saying. There's no reason to believe that organized crime would side with the resistance rather than the occupation - indeed, given their current status as outlaws, the likeliest result is that they would fight against any attempt to reassert the current status quo.

If the invaders are trying to root out the resistance they obviously are going to try and root out all other armed groups.

[Transhuman Proteus]

So they can continue to fight amongst themselves and fight an invading force?

Hate to say it but that isn't multi-tasking, that's stupid and it isn't going to win them a war.

Interesting (saying it in a non-threatening voice) the Iraqi insurgents of Suuni and Shiiti have done just that. (Sorry if I spelled their names wrong.) and they are kinda like gangs.

Who did they win the war against?

And I wouldn't really call them "gangs".

[Jassysworth 1]

Why should we keep guns in the hands of people? Same reason why we keep guns in the hands of cops!

I beg to differ. Police are trained professionals who are here to maintain law and order, in the 21st century they need guns to get things done. I don't like guns but we are going to have to settle for a police force that uses them. There are huge controls on who can get to be a police officer and carry a gun and who cannot.

Ordinary people are not trained professionals in the use of firearms. There's also too high of a risk that a nutcase or criminal will get hold of them and start a shooting rampage.

Ever heard of a policeman going on a shooting rampage? No. Civilians on the other hand... not to be trusted with guns.

Right now in America, too many random people have guns. We need to get to a place where only a few people with uniforms have guns... and everyone else doesn't. This is best for the social order...

[Not Safe For Work]

That's the second time you've said something like that. It's still not addressing what I'm saying. There's no reason to believe that organized crime would side with the resistance rather than the occupation - indeed, given their current status as outlaws, the likeliest result is that they would fight against any attempt to reassert the current status quo.

If the invaders are trying to root out the resistance they obviously are going to try and root out all other armed groups.

Nope. Not obvious, at all.

It would make more sense to pay them, incentive them, or just allow them... to wipe each other out.

Indeed, that's the kind of proxy action we've been taking around the world, for decades. You give guns to one group and get them to shoot the other guys for you. That's a large part of our international policy.

[Veddai Hegemony]

My two cents on this: get rid of the 2nd Amendment and ban guns eventually. I don't care how long it will take to get into effect or how much more police funding we need to get there... we need to get there.

The US is becoming some a sort of dark joke as the world capital of crazy shooter rampages. Only in America, where millions and millions legally and illegally own guns do we hear about stuff like the Columbine Shootings taking place. Do we hear about such bloody fiascos in Britain? In Japan? In the rest of the developped world? No. It's only in America... because people like their guns way too much.

The fact that the US is the only notable country to be associated with random shootings in all of the developed world just MIGHT suggest that it was a bad idea to keep guns in the hands of ordinary people. It doesn't matter if ''guns don't kill people, people kill people...' if guns were NOT in the hands of ordinary people... countless lives could have been saved. The fact is that there is always a population of nutcases in any country... handing out guns to your population just gives these few but VERY dangerous people the capabilities to wreck destruction on the rest of us innocent people. Why should this continue?

Maybe America should follow the example of the rest of the world... and move towards getting RID of guns altogether. What good is a certain liberty if it can cause the death of so many people? Why should we keep the guns in the hands of the people?

DO I understand you to mean that handing out guns to a population necessarily increases crime, and that a government program to that effect would in fact have that result?

Do I also understand you to state that only Americans engage in mass shootings such as those at Columbine and Virginia Tech?

[Transhuman Proteus]

My two cents on this: get rid of the 2nd Amendment and ban guns eventually. I don't care how long it will take to get into effect or how much more police funding we need to get there... we need to get there.

The US is becoming some a sort of dark joke as the world capital of crazy shooter rampages. Only in America, where millions and millions legally and illegally own guns do we hear about stuff like the Columbine Shootings taking place. Do we hear about such bloody fiascos in Britain? In Japan? In the rest of the developped world? No. It's only in America... because people like their guns way too much.

The fact that the US is the only notable country to be associated with random shootings in all of the developed world just MIGHT suggest that it was a bad idea to keep guns in the hands of ordinary people. It doesn't matter if ''guns don't kill people, people kill people...' if guns were NOT in the hands of ordinary people... countless lives could have been saved. The fact is that there is always a population of nutcases in any country... handing out guns to your population just gives these few but VERY dangerous people the capabilities to wreck destruction on the rest of us innocent people. Why should this continue?

Maybe America should follow the example of the rest of the world... and move towards getting RID of guns altogether. What good is a certain liberty if it can cause the death of so many people? Why should we keep the guns in the hands of the people?

If you dont like it then GTFO
But seriously, arent guns illegal in GB? The only reason we have all this news is because we are a civilised country that is expected to control its citizens, but yet there are millions upon millions of guns in most parts of africa (Somalia, Libya, Sierra Leone etc.) Those are places where guns give you all the power, just think about Kony. My point being is that the only reason the US is ridiculed is because its expected to control most of its population, and stuff gets out of control... a lot, but we arent the only nation with crime so do your research.

I think it is more a lot of countries - including GB - have tighter gun control laws and don't find themselves slipping into the cesspits of doom and decay a lot of pro-gun advocates claim will happen if the US does anything at all to restrict or control firearms in the US.

So they would say "why don't you get some better gun control laws in place? You might find you'll have less crime and accidental deaths if you did".

What does Africa have to do with it?

[Sardine World]

Why should we keep guns in the hands of people? Same reason why we keep guns in the hands of cops!

I beg to differ. Police are trained professionals who are here to maintain law and order, in the 21st century they need guns to get things done. I don't like guns but we are going to have to settle for a police force that uses them. There are huge controls on who can get to be a police officer and carry a gun and who cannot.

Ordinary people are not trained professionals in the use of firearms. There's also too high of a risk that a nutcase or criminal will get hold of them and start a shooting rampage.

Ever heard of a policeman going on a shooting rampage? No. Civilians on the other hand... not to be trusted with guns.

90 in every 100 people in America have a gun, yet you only hear about 2 of them going on a rampage every once in a while. The majority of people are sane, if they arent then you should refer them to a psychiatrist.

[Not Safe For Work]

I beg to differ. Police are trained professionals who are here to maintain law and order, in the 21st century they need guns to get things done. I don't like guns but we are going to have to settle for a police force that uses them. There are huge controls on who can get to be a police officer and carry a gun and who cannot.

Ordinary people are not trained professionals in the use of firearms. There's also too high of a risk that a nutcase or criminal will get hold of them and start a shooting rampage.

Ever heard of a policeman going on a shooting rampage? No. Civilians on the other hand... not to be trusted with guns.

90 in every 100 people in America have a gun...

47% either have a gun, or have a gun in their home or on their property.

[Jassysworth 1]

My two cents on this: get rid of the 2nd Amendment and ban guns eventually. I don't care how long it will take to get into effect or how much more police funding we need to get there... we need to get there.

The US is becoming some a sort of dark joke as the world capital of crazy shooter rampages. Only in America, where millions and millions legally and illegally own guns do we hear about stuff like the Columbine Shootings taking place. Do we hear about such bloody fiascos in Britain? In Japan? In the rest of the developped world? No. It's only in America... because people like their guns way too much.

The fact that the US is the only notable country to be associated with random shootings in all of the developed world just MIGHT suggest that it was a bad idea to keep guns in the hands of ordinary people. It doesn't matter if ''guns don't kill people, people kill people...' if guns were NOT in the hands of ordinary people... countless lives could have been saved. The fact is that there is always a population of nutcases in any country... handing out guns to your population just gives these few but VERY dangerous people the capabilities to wreck destruction on the rest of us innocent people. Why should this continue?

Maybe America should follow the example of the rest of the world... and move towards getting RID of guns altogether. What good is a certain liberty if it can cause the death of so many people? Why should we keep the guns in the hands of the people?

If you dont like it then GTFO
But seriously, arent guns illegal in GB? The only reason we have all this news is because we are a civilised country that is expected to control its citizens, but yet there are millions upon millions of guns in most parts of africa (Somalia, Libya, Sierra Leone etc.) Those are places where guns give you all the power, just think about Kony. My point being is that the only reason the US is ridiculed is because its expected to control most of its population, and stuff gets out of control... a lot, but we arent the only nation with crime so do your research.

You know the difference between the US and Somalia, Libya and Sierra Leone etc? The US is a DEVELOPPED COUNTRY and a DEMOCRACY. It is expected to be better than the rest of the world in controlling people and getting things done. Yet it made the very silly mistake of keeping guns in the hands of normal people until things have clearly gone over the top. I am suggesting we move on the long and tiring but NECESSARY road of rectifying this mistake while many of us here seem to be suggesting that we GIVE UP and just let this mistake continue. Yeah random shootings have happened in the past and they will continue in the future but we will just let people die because it's too TIRING and too INTRUSIVE to start getting rid of the guns right? So we won't even try?

Are you COMFORTABLE with the US having this trait of commonality with certain underdeveloped and unfortunate African countries? Do you want a strong and respected America where people can't just go and shoot up their neighborhood or do you want an America where like places in Africa, you can go and shoot up your neighborhood?

If the rest of the developed world can do it, so can America. We need to get the guns away from the people... before more innocents are killed because some teenager can't control his anger. A civilized, powerful country like America shouldn't tolerate this sort of stuff happening.

[Chernoslavia]

Why should we keep guns in the hands of people? Same reason why we keep guns in the hands of cops!

I beg to differ. Police are trained professionals who are here to maintain law and order, in the 21st century they need guns to get things done. I don't like guns but we are going to have to settle for a police force that uses them. There are huge controls on who can get to be a police officer and carry a gun and who cannot.

We militiamen are better trained as we choose the training for ourselves and the fact that some of us are war veterans.

Ordinary people are not trained professionals in the use of firearms. There's also too high of a risk that a nutcase or criminal will get hold of them and start a shooting rampage.

Ordinary people have guns too and they practice at the shooting range. We gun owners are ordinary people too.

Ever heard of a policeman going on a shooting rampage? No. Civilians on the other hand... not to be trusted with guns.

Yes I have heard of a cop going on a rampage, theres alot of incidents involving police corruption!

[Sardine World]

If you dont like it then GTFO
But seriously, arent guns illegal in GB? The only reason we have all this news is because we are a civilised country that is expected to control its citizens, but yet there are millions upon millions of guns in most parts of africa (Somalia, Libya, Sierra Leone etc.) Those are places where guns give you all the power, just think about Kony. My point being is that the only reason the US is ridiculed is because its expected to control most of its population, and stuff gets out of control... a lot, but we arent the only nation with crime so do your research.

I think it is more a lot of countries - including GB - have tighter gun control laws and don't find themselves slipping into the cesspits of doom and decay a lot of pro-gun advocates claim will happen if the US does anything at all to restrict or control firearms in the US.

So they would say "why don't you get some better gun control laws in place? You might find you'll have less crime and accidental deaths if you did".

What does Africa have to do with it?

Maybe instead of stricter or looser gun laws, the Government should just require people to undergo a psychological screening before they are certified to own a gun, and maybe do it every couple of years, maybe then you wouldnt have a bunch of insane people running around with a gun.

I brought up Africa because I wanted you to realize the US is not the WORST country in the world.

How does that sound?

90 in every 100 people in America have a gun...

47% either have a gun, or have a gun in their home or on their property.

Google.

[NotFreeLandia]

I think this was a plot point of a novel I read once

anyways, I have to strongly disagree with this, as the phrase 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' is true: banning guns won't magically decrease violence, just violence committed with guns, and it doesn't matter what it's committed with, unnessecary violence is always a problem

[Shrillland]

I think it is more a lot of countries - including GB - have tighter gun control laws and don't find themselves slipping into the cesspits of doom and decay a lot of pro-gun advocates claim will happen if the US does anything at all to restrict or control firearms in the US.

So they would say "why don't you get some better gun control laws in place? You might find you'll have less crime and accidental deaths if you did".

What does Africa have to do with it?

Maybe instead of stricter or looser gun laws, the Government should just require people to undergo a psychological screening before they are certified to own a gun, and maybe do it every couple of years, maybe then you wouldnt have a bunch of insane people running around with a gun.

I brought up Africa because I wanted you to realize the US is not the WORST country in the world.

How does that sound?

That I think would do away with most of the Shooting rampages that we're plagued with, because most of them were committed by unbalanced individuals.

[Not Safe For Work]

I think this was a plot point of a novel I read once

anyways, I have to strongly disagree with this, as the phrase 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' is true: banning guns won't magically decrease violence, just violence committed with guns, and it doesn't matter what it's committed with, unnessecary violence is always a problem

Not strictly true. It does matter what violence is committed with - because it's easier to kill someone with a gun, than it is with a knife (for example), and it's easier to kill more people with the gun, than with a knife.

As such, it matters what the violence is committed with, because while the violence WILL occur anyway - guns make it easier to kill more people.