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What is your opinion on gun control?

no restrictions on firearms
213
17%
some restrictions, but less restriction than there is now
375
31%
tighten regulation of guns by increasing registration or by banning certain types of guns
527
43%
all guns should be banned
110
9%
 
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:54 pm

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so? the american plains don't have that much population anyways, most of it is east/west coasts which do have lots of forests, i would hate having to fight an insurgent army hiding in the foothills of california or the sierra nevada.

Which is why the plains would be quickly taken over, cutting the eastern and western resistances off from each other, and making smuggling all the more difficult.

Oh Canada! What a good smuggling route you are!

Besides that, there's a SHIT-TON of land in the plains, I doubt any military would be able to secure every portion of it.

Anyhow, as to the OP: No. Both because of impracticability and immorality. Maybe if there really was a popular sentiment to get such a repeal passed I'd be OK with it happening. But only because it'd mean Mexico here I come.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:55 pm

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Yes Im Biop wrote:
Gang's. Big ones would have all manner of hardware. Mercenary groups for hire (They are making nice dough in Chicago now) And like someone said above. If someone pushed back the US military. They would be faced by every big city gang. And they don't have rules.

Do gangs have anti-aircraft weaponry? Could they put their fights with each other on hold long enough to present an organized resistance to invasion, or would they be too busy capitalizing on the chaos and lack of law enforcement to try to thin the competition? And how did the ones in coastal cities survive the shellings?


The Russian Mafia, who has connections with Viktor Bout.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:55 pm

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Wikkiwallana wrote:Given that he has the dumb as shit Paul "occupation" video in his sig, I'm thinking he actually believes that nonsense.


repeal the second amendment and see what happens :)
obviously that would settle the argument

North Korea would have a hard time invading itself, let alone crossing the fucking Pacific and even setting foot on US soil.

Even if he entire US military were to vanish in a puff of smoke the instant the second amendment were repealed.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:55 pm

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Yes Im Biop wrote:
Gang's. Big ones would have all manner of hardware. Mercenary groups for hire (They are making nice dough in Chicago now) And like someone said above. If someone pushed back the US military. They would be faced by every big city gang. And they don't have rules.

Do gangs have anti-aircraft weaponry? Could they put their fights with each other on hold long enough to present an organized resistance to invasion, or would they be too busy capitalizing on the chaos and lack of law enforcement to try to thin the competition? And how did the ones in coastal cities survive the shellings?


Yes, If they realized there were all fucked, Yes, and also Yes. How did Chicago get shelled? Or LA, Vegas, NYC Get totally shelled, Huston...Probably pretty damn easily.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:57 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:Do gangs have anti-aircraft weaponry?

Yes

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:57 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:Which is why the plains would be quickly taken over, cutting the eastern and western resistances off from each other, and making smuggling all the more difficult.


im not even sure our own military is big enough to occupy the US lol

You don't have to occupy the whole thing. Take the easily conquered areas, such as the Great Plains. let all the people who surrender go, take all their remaining weapons, install puppet leaders from among them, and them move the battle lines to the harder to take areas.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:58 pm

Whipporwill wrote:guns are bad, goyim! oy vey!

What the hell?
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:59 pm

Tubbsalot wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:Yes

It's like your only hobby is torpedoing your own credibility.


Wait...I had credibitly...Never mind you people don't knwo me do you? Anyway. And yes. Some do.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:00 pm

Arkinesia wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:Uh, he just proposed letting the states do it, did you even read the post?

States can't do anything covered by federal authority. They can have differing regulations but they can't, for instance, take over immigration enforcement, or outright ban firearms. Those are two powers enumerated only to the federal government.

So your argument is that the Feds can't do it because that would be stepping on state powers, and the states can't do it because it's part of the feds jurisdiction?


Seriously? :blink:
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:01 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:Do gangs have anti-aircraft weaponry? Could they put their fights with each other on hold long enough to present an organized resistance to invasion, or would they be too busy capitalizing on the chaos and lack of law enforcement to try to thin the competition? And how did the ones in coastal cities survive the shellings?


The Russian Mafia, who has connections with Viktor Bout.

The Russian Mafia is not an American city gang.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:01 pm

Bafuria wrote:I would also like to add that banning certain types of guns is pointless.

For instance, Mutsuo Toi killed 30 of his neighbors with a sword an axe and a shotgun in Japan in 1938.

What matters is where the shooting takes place, when, and how much time the killer as.


Not to mention that shotguns in Japan (and every other firearm) are prohibited.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Tubbsalot » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:01 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:And yes. Some do.

The much-feared Skyshooters who decided that an anti-aircraft flak cannon mounted on a halftrack was a useful tool to have for a gang?

Were they all dropped on their heads as children?
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:02 pm

Tubbsalot wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:And yes. Some do.

The much-feared Skyshooters who decided that an anti-aircraft flak cannon mounted on a halftrack was a useful tool to have for a gang?

Were they all dropped on their heads as children?


They are pronounced Stinger Missiles.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:03 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:Do gangs have anti-aircraft weaponry? Could they put their fights with each other on hold long enough to present an organized resistance to invasion, or would they be too busy capitalizing on the chaos and lack of law enforcement to try to thin the competition? And how did the ones in coastal cities survive the shellings?


Yes, If they realized there were all fucked, Yes, and also Yes. How did Chicago get shelled? Or LA, Vegas, NYC Get totally shelled, Huston...Probably pretty damn easily.

Then why aren't they fighting the DEA with it? Also, you contradict yourself. First you say they can work together, then you agree they will be to busy killing each other to focus on the invading forces. Lastly, when did Chicago become a coastal city?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:03 pm

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Chernoslavia wrote:
The Russian Mafia, who has connections with Viktor Bout.

The Russian Mafia is not an American city gang.


Yes it is dude, dont lie about something that everybody knows about.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:03 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
Yes, If they realized there were all fucked, Yes, and also Yes. How did Chicago get shelled? Or LA, Vegas, NYC Get totally shelled, Huston...Probably pretty damn easily.

Then why aren't they fighting the DEA with it? Also, you contradict yourself. First you say they can work together, then you agree they will be to busy killing each other to focus on the invading forces. Lastly, when did Chicago become a coastal city?


I know what i said. There is a insane concept. Its called mufti tasking./
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Postby Drekka » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:04 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:States can't do anything covered by federal authority. They can have differing regulations but they can't, for instance, take over immigration enforcement, or outright ban firearms. Those are two powers enumerated only to the federal government.

So your argument is that the Feds can't do it because that would be stepping on state powers, and the states can't do it because it's part of the feds jurisdiction?


Seriously? :blink:


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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:04 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:The Russian Mafia is not an American city gang.


Yes it is dude, dont lie about something that everybody knows about.

Source?
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:05 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:Then why aren't they fighting the DEA with it? Also, you contradict yourself. First you say they can work together, then you agree they will be to busy killing each other to focus on the invading forces. Lastly, when did Chicago become a coastal city?


I know what i said. There is a insane concept. Its called mufti tasking./

It doesn't work well in a war.
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Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:05 pm

Tubbsalot wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:And yes. Some do.

The much-feared Skyshooters who decided that an anti-aircraft flak cannon mounted on a halftrack was a useful tool to have for a gang?

Were they all dropped on their heads as children?


....Or we (as in me and ACM) can just order some shoulder fired stinger missiles, which is a more practical solution.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Tubbsalot » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:06 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:They are pronounced Stinger Missiles.

So you're proposing that gangs would have sufficient stocks of Stinger missiles to fight a continued insurgency against a professional military which has occupied the US - even though they have almost no use for Stingers currently, and even though they'd have no interest in fighting a professional military?
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Postby Khodoristan » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:06 pm

I live in NYC where civilian gun ownership is almost unheard of due to Giuliani and Bloomberg's draconian gun laws. But as a whole, New York is very safe as a city and gun crime is low for a city of 8 million.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:07 pm

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Yes Im Biop wrote:
I know what i said. There is a insane concept. Its called mufti tasking./

It doesn't work well in a war.

Actually, I'd think if there was some 'street gang' in a place occupied by an army fighting that army and other street gangs it'd be the 2nd worst situation for the occupying force. They have to secure themselves from the gangs attacks AND protect people from it if they expect to garner any credibility as the new power in charge.

An occupying army that couldn't immediately quash street-gang violence against other street-gangs, much less themselves, would be pretty fucked in the realm of public opinion.
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Postby Sardine World » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:08 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
Sardine World wrote:
repeal the second amendment and see what happens :)
obviously that would settle the argument

North Korea would have a hard time invading itself, let alone crossing the fucking Pacific and even setting foot on US soil.

Even if he entire US military were to vanish in a puff of smoke the instant the second amendment were repealed.


like i said, it could be china or russia or canada France Morocco Germany or something
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:08 pm

Khodoristan wrote:I live in NYC where civilian gun ownership is almost unheard of due to Giuliani and Bloomberg's draconian gun laws. But as a whole, New York is very safe as a city and gun crime is low for a city of 8 million.


Sources please? :)
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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