Israeli Defense Forces steal water supplies from civilians

[Vitaphone Racing]

There is always the possibly that the site might be biased to pro-Islamic interests.

But, bias aside, the fact that Israel is exempt from anything, even genocide just seems so wrong, so immoral, and proof of oppression. By ones exporting of colonial values that urge the nations to steal everything from the natives (Manifest Destiny, anyone?), into the Middle East, all it does is make things worse. The only reason why we don't bother liberating it is because... they are democratic, they have oil, and we feel that Israel is better than nothing for the homeland of the Jewish peoples. However, the British had treated them much worse, so they could be venting their rage at Israel, instead of Britain, for their current atrocities.

Both sides are exempt from everything because there is no way to enforce justice on that conflict. There is so much grey over who breaks what truce first and who does what illegal and immoral thing first that it's far easier to try and hold them apart than punish them for wrong doing.

[Noobubersland]

There is always the possibly that the site might be biased to pro-Islamic interests.

But, bias aside, the fact that Israel is exempt from anything, even genocide just seems so wrong, so immoral, and proof of oppression. By ones exporting of colonial values that urge the nations to steal everything from the natives (Manifest Destiny, anyone?), into the Middle East, all it does is make things worse. The only reason why we don't bother liberating it is because... they are democratic, they have oil, and we feel that Israel is better than nothing for the homeland of the Jewish peoples. However, the British had treated them much worse, so they could be venting their rage at Israel, instead of Britain, for their current atrocities.

Both sides are exempt from everything because there is no way to enforce justice on that conflict. There is so much grey over who breaks what truce first and who does what illegal and immoral thing first that it's far easier to try and hold them apart than punish them for wrong doing.

The Arab's started the whole damn thing, the blame lies mostly on them

[Vitaphone Racing]

Both sides are exempt from everything because there is no way to enforce justice on that conflict. There is so much grey over who breaks what truce first and who does what illegal and immoral thing first that it's far easier to try and hold them apart than punish them for wrong doing.

The Arab's started the whole damn thing, the blame lies mostly on them

Doesn't really excuse everything that Israel has done in return though. There is responding appropriately, and then there is revenge; Israel continues to straddle that line.

[South Arcea]

Israel is the US what North Korea is to China. Everyone knows that they are only making a difficult situation worse, but you support them anyway because you are afraid what would replace them would be worse.

[Noobubersland]

The Arab's started the whole damn thing, the blame lies mostly on them

Doesn't really excuse everything that Israel has done in return though. There is responding appropriately, and then there is revenge; Israel continues to straddle that line.

like you said, you can't tell anymore, Rockets hit Israel from Gaza for years, Israel does what any nation would do when under attack, civilian's are killed in the crossfire, so the Gazan's shoot more rockets...

[Luziyca]

There is always the possibly that the site might be biased to pro-Islamic interests.

But, bias aside, the fact that Israel is exempt from anything, even genocide just seems so wrong, so immoral, and proof of oppression. By ones exporting of colonial values that urge the nations to steal everything from the natives (Manifest Destiny, anyone?), into the Middle East, all it does is make things worse. The only reason why we don't bother liberating it is because... they are democratic, they have oil, and we feel that Israel is better than nothing for the homeland of the Jewish peoples. However, the British had treated them much worse, so they could be venting their rage at Israel, instead of Britain, for their current atrocities.

Both sides are exempt from everything because there is no way to enforce justice on that conflict. There is so much grey over who breaks what truce first and who does what illegal and immoral thing first that it's far easier to try and hold them apart than punish them for wrong doing.

Good point. It was relevant during the Cold War to support Israel, to use as a nation in the Middle East to support American interests, while Syria, and Egypt leaned towards the USSR. Jordan, we didn't care by that point, and Saudi Arabia, oil was in its infancy.

But now, after the fall of the USSR, I cannot see the moral justification of maintaining Israel besides a beachhead for NATO to keep eyes on the Middle East. Both Hamas and Israel are immoral, but then again, Fatah could be accused of being a puppet of Hamas. None of the three seem acceptable to anyone, in regards to human rights.

The Middle East will only be in peace if Israel, Hamas and Fatah fall, and a free government, one that respects the rights of both Jews and Palestinians comes to power. Even if it means ending up like Belgium.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Israel is the best ally that the US has had and will ever had. No other nation provides a steady stream of money to a high tech domestic economy quite like the Israelis do. America's arms industry is so crucial to the entire economy that Amercia would collapse if Israel stopped buying from you guys. Why do you think you send over all that aid each year? The US is giving Israel money to go shopping through it's corporations with.

[Noobubersland]

Both sides are exempt from everything because there is no way to enforce justice on that conflict. There is so much grey over who breaks what truce first and who does what illegal and immoral thing first that it's far easier to try and hold them apart than punish them for wrong doing.

Good point. It was relevant during the Cold War to support Israel, to use as a nation in the Middle East to support American interests, while Syria, and Egypt leaned towards the USSR. Jordan, we didn't care by that point, and Saudi Arabia, oil was in its infancy.

But now, after the fall of the USSR, I cannot see the moral justification of maintaining Israel besides a beachhead for NATO to keep eyes on the Middle East. Both Hamas and Israel are immoral, but then again, Fatah could be accused of being a puppet of Hamas. None of the three seem acceptable to anyone, in regards to human rights.

The Middle East will only be in peace if Israel, Hamas and Fatah fall, and a free government, one that respects the rights of both Jews and Palestinians comes to power. Even if it means ending up like Belgium.

Never would happen, if the Arab's stop fighting, there will be peace, if Jews stop fighting there will be no more Jews

[Keronika]

I support Israel's right to exist, but I don't support all the actions of the Israeli government.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Doesn't really excuse everything that Israel has done in return though. There is responding appropriately, and then there is revenge; Israel continues to straddle that line.

like you said, you can't tell anymore, Rockets hit Israel from Gaza for years, Israel does what any nation would do when under attack, civilian's are killed in the crossfire, so the Gazan's shoot more rockets...

Doesn't really help that Israel continues to intrude on the sovereignty of the Palestinians with a continued stream of new settlements. Doesn't help either that Israel has no problem killing Palestinian innocents to eliminate a high priority military target. Call it tit-for-tat or call it getting even; it doesn't matter. Israel should be looking for some high ground to stand on.

[Noobubersland]

like you said, you can't tell anymore, Rockets hit Israel from Gaza for years, Israel does what any nation would do when under attack, civilian's are killed in the crossfire, so the Gazan's shoot more rockets...

Doesn't really help that Israel continues to intrude on the sovereignty of the Palestinians with a continued stream of new settlements. Doesn't help either that Israel has no problem killing Palestinian innocents to eliminate a high priority military target. Call it tit-for-tat or call it getting even; it doesn't matter. Israel should be looking for some high ground to stand on.

Palestinian land? I don't recall any settlements being build outside of Israel's boarders, that I would object to, but otherwise it's there country, they can do whatever the hell they want to do

[Costa Fiero]

Palestinians with a continued stream of new settlements. Doesn't help either that Israel has no problem killing Palestinian innocents to eliminate a high priority military target. Call it tit-for-tat or call it getting even; it doesn't matter. Israel should be looking for some high ground to stand on.

Essentially what I think. It's a pity most people don't see that.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Doesn't really help that Israel continues to intrude on the sovereignty of the Palestinians with a continued stream of new settlements. Doesn't help either that Israel has no problem killing Palestinian innocents to eliminate a high priority military target. Call it tit-for-tat or call it getting even; it doesn't matter. Israel should be looking for some high ground to stand on.

Palestinian land? I don't recall any settlements being build outside of Israel's boarders, that I would object to, but otherwise it's there country, they can do whatever the hell they want to do

Use the legend to help you understand.

The West Bank is Palestinian land. Israel was never entitled to it.

[North Calaveras]

Bulgaria bus where isreali teens are killed by terrorists all quiet on ns

Israeli df takes water from people

The horror

[Noobubersland]

Palestinian land? I don't recall any settlements being build outside of Israel's boarders, that I would object to, but otherwise it's there country, they can do whatever the hell they want to do

Use the legend to help you understand.

The West Bank is Palestinian land. Israel was never entitled to it.

but the West bank is a Puppet state, Israel can do what the government of the territory will let it.

[Seangoli]

Doesn't really excuse everything that Israel has done in return though. There is responding appropriately, and then there is revenge; Israel continues to straddle that line.

like you said, you can't tell anymore, Rockets hit Israel from Gaza for years, Israel does what any nation would do when under attack, civilian's are killed in the crossfire, so the Gazan's shoot more rockets...

And before the rockets were launched at Israel, Israel attacked the Gazans. And before that the Gazans attacked the Israelis. And before that...

The entire thing is a mess with neither side's authority figures giving much indication that they are seriously considering a peaceful resolution. Both sides in the ungodly mess that has become Israel are so intertwined with wanting vengeance and whatnot on one another that's it's rather difficult to tell where or who it all began with.

[Tubbsalot]

Bulgaria bus where isreali teens are killed by terrorists all quiet on ns

Israeli df takes water from people

The horror

Yes, for the same reason there's no mention of the Mexican cartels killing a bunch of civilians, but it would be a huge deal if the Mexican army did the same thing. Armies are held to a higher standard than terrorists. Surprise?

[Noobubersland]

Bulgaria bus where isreali teens are killed by terrorists all quiet on ns

Israeli df takes water from people

The horror

This, more or less. Oh, Israel bombs some terrorist installation and there's some collateral damage? Huge story, American's do the same thing? Not a peep

[Noobubersland]

Bulgaria bus where isreali teens are killed by terrorists all quiet on ns

Israeli df takes water from people

The horror

Yes, for the same reason there's no mention of the Mexican cartels killing a bunch of civilians, but it would be a huge deal if the Mexican army did the same thing. Armies are held to a higher standard than terrorists. Surprise?

They are the Army of Gaza, you want Palestine to be an independent state? Then guess who's going to make up the army?

[North Calaveras]

Bulgaria bus where isreali teens are killed by terrorists all quiet on ns

Israeli df takes water from people

The horror

Yes, for the same reason there's no mention of the Mexican cartels killing a bunch of civilians, but it would be a huge deal if the Mexican army did the same thing. Armies are held to a higher standard than terrorists. Surprise?

Lolwut?

Anyways anytime Israel does something ns has a stick it's ass

The sheer tonnage of crap that is thrown at America and israel on ns is staggering

I remember when I was young and was a ns communist who hated Israel and supported Palestine...

[Vitaphone Racing]

Use the legend to help you understand.

The West Bank is Palestinian land. Israel was never entitled to it.

but the West bank is a Puppet state, Israel can do what the government of the territory will let it.

Don't you think an important step to peace would be for Israel to show the Arabs that it supports their right to self-governance and will no longer try to force them to suffer so Israel can enjoy a better life? Would a major part of this not be not controlling the West bank as a puppet state (even though, it really isn't as the PLO are well in command) and not encroaching on Palestinian land?

Why am I always the guy who has to argue the middle ground? What's more, why do I always do it alone?

[Gauthier]

Bulgaria bus where isreali teens are killed by terrorists all quiet on ns

Israeli df takes water from people

The horror

The same bus bombing that Israel can't blame on Iran fast enough? Really, be nice to see what the Bulgarians find on the bomber(s) before starting on a "Everyone Hates Israel" pity party.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Bulgaria bus where isreali teens are killed by terrorists all quiet on ns

Israeli df takes water from people

The horror

The same bus bombing that Israel can't blame on Iran fast enough? Really, be nice to see what the Bulgarians find on the bomber(s) before starting on a "Everyone Hates Israel" pity party.

A pity party for those who died wouldn't go astray.

[Costa Fiero]

The same bus bombing that Israel can't blame on Iran fast enough? Really, be nice to see what the Bulgarians find on the bomber(s) before starting on a "Everyone Hates Israel" pity party.

I read somewhere else that the Bulgarians had a suspect who was a Swedish citizen of Algerian-Finnish origin and then another report that they hadn't got a clue who did it.

[Noobubersland]

Don't you think an important step to peace would be for Israel to show the Arabs that it supports their right to self-governance and will no longer try to force them to suffer so Israel can enjoy a better life? Would a major part of this not be not controlling the West bank as a puppet state (even though, it really isn't as the PLO are well in command) and not encroaching on Palestinian land?

Why am I always the guy who has to argue the middle ground? What's more, why do I always do it alone?

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Mostly because the Arabs have spent the last 63 either, attacking Israel, yelling threats to Israel, or plotting to Attack Israel (well except for Jordan). It would give anyone else a suspicion of them, added to the fact that they outnumber Israelis by a huge margin...