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Postby New Chalcedon » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:35 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
New Chalcedon wrote:Not cool, Israel. So not cool.

However, I can see why they've stopped caring what the international community (aka the UN and related bodies) has to say about them, since said community has spent the last 40 years monomaniacally focussing on their blemishes, without examining their neighbours in the slightest. After all, when was the last time that Saudi Arabia was condemned by any organ of the UN for the appalling way the government in Riyadh treats the Shi'a minority in Eastern Saudi Arabia? When was the last time that the UN bothered to even note, far less deplore or take action about, the way the Coptic Christians are treated in Egypt, or the Maronite Christians in Lebanon? And yet, year after year, UN body after UN body focusses its attention of Israel, chiding them over their shabby treatment of the non-Jewish Israelis without bothering to do anything about the way that Israel's (Islamic) neighbours all do far worse things to their minority-group citizenry.

And the media is, ultimately, worse. After all, one might be forgiven for thinking that headlines depicting the massacres of Coptic Christian communities in Egypt might sell papers, yet the media continue to run with the "Israel is evil to Palestinians" line. They don't even have the typical media defense of "we're just in it to make bucks and sell papers".


I'm increasingly inclined to believe that it's a near-universal truth that to be the leader of a Middle Eastern country, one must demonstrate that one is a complete bastard by discriminating with great fervour and energy against one particular group. Even in Syria, once Assad (who I despise, by the way) has gone, I don't see life being fun for the Alawite minority. Israel has done awful things, but we shouldn't only look at that.


And yet, the UN Human Rights Council has condemned Israel in 48% of all its country-specific resolutions since its formation in 2006, whilst nominating Sudan (you know, that country which recently exterminated over a quarter-million Darfuris in an effort to keep the oil-rich southern regions as part of the nation) to sit on it. Their Special Rapporteur on the Question of Palestine has been criticised by the Palestinian Authority as being too anti-Israeli/pro-Hamas (not to mention that he has also posted rabidly anti-Semitic cartoons on his personal blog during his time in office, and remains in office - the mind boggles).

With "impartial observers" like this, Israel is clearly correct in assuming that a majority of the UN "has it in" (in the vernacular) for Israel: it doesn't matter what Israel actually does or does not do, the UNHRC will simply appoint anti-Semites to "investigate" Israeli actions, whilst officially ordering them to ignore Hamas/Fatah human rights violations. Why, then, should they give a damn what the "international community" thinks about them, since it appears that the international community has made up its collective mind a long time ago?
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Postby Capitalist Running Dogs » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:26 am

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Noobubersland wrote:How tolerant :roll:


You expect me to be tolerant of those who need to die for the greater good to make the world a less suck-ass place?
Especially when most people would agree with me it's the Jews fault the nation i live in, America, sucks due to them fucking it up with us having to at their beck and call for their own BS and doing nothing in return to improve things we common folk need (Education, Infrastructure, Healthcare, Technology/Science, Economy - because those pigs are so damn good with money, right?!)

Humph! FUCK THEM. America needs Israel like it needs Conservatism/Republicans of any kind...


Ahhhhh, I love the 'it's the Jews fault' argument! No shame at all here. At least there is one Liberal/Progressive that isn't hiding their anti-Semitism behind a facade of 'I'm just anti-Israel'. Good for you!

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Postby New Chalcedon » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:25 am

Capitalist Running Dogs wrote:
Nova Nacio wrote:
You expect me to be tolerant of those who need to die for the greater good to make the world a less suck-ass place?
Especially when most people would agree with me it's the Jews fault the nation i live in, America, sucks due to them fucking it up with us having to at their beck and call for their own BS and doing nothing in return to improve things we common folk need (Education, Infrastructure, Healthcare, Technology/Science, Economy - because those pigs are so damn good with money, right?!)

Humph! FUCK THEM. America needs Israel like it needs Conservatism/Republicans of any kind...


Ahhhhh, I love the 'it's the Jews fault' argument! No shame at all here. At least there is one Liberal/Progressive that isn't hiding their anti-Semitism behind a facade of 'I'm just anti-Israel'. Good for you!


Be careful about generalising. First, saying "All X are Y" is considered trolling on NSG. Second, the above is a pretty damned extreme anti-Israeli/ani-Jewish viewpoint, one that would get it's utterer quickly ignored on any left-wing site. Third, not all liberals/progressives are even anti-Israel. Case in point: myself.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:47 am

New Chalcedon wrote:
Capitalist Running Dogs wrote:
Ahhhhh, I love the 'it's the Jews fault' argument! No shame at all here. At least there is one Liberal/Progressive that isn't hiding their anti-Semitism behind a facade of 'I'm just anti-Israel'. Good for you!


Be careful about generalising. First, saying "All X are Y" is considered trolling on NSG. Second, the above is a pretty damned extreme anti-Israeli/ani-Jewish viewpoint, one that would get it's utterer quickly ignored on any left-wing site. Third, not all liberals/progressives are even anti-Israel. Case in point: myself.


And the lefties who do have a deep-seated dislike of Israel (like myself) also recognise and appreciate the long culture, heritage and history of the Jewish people and all that they've been put through, yet do not accept that this history gives Israel and its sympathisers *ahemHippoahem* carte blanche to deny the right of Palestinians to exist, and further realise that Israel is only one of a multitude of unsavoury and ethically questionable nations in the region.
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:04 am

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Last month, Israeli soldiers began confiscating water-storage containers used by Bedouin in several pastoral encampments on the northern fringes of the West Bank's Jordan Valley area.

No explanation was given to the dozens of impoverished residents, who have since been rationing their already scarce water supplies and tending to thirsty livestock.

But no explanation was needed. Many here see the confiscations as the latest Israeli tactic to put pressure on Bedouin and Palestinian residents to leave this resource-rich area.


Maybe they are trying to clear that area and get it ready for the Alawite people who might be pouring out of Syria if the Civil War in Syria goes against them.

Seems Israel has been kind of heavy handed with the Bedouins. Found this article about the Bedouins of Southern Israel. They have legal papers to land but the government is dragging there feet. They even have a signed treaty.

He also has a copy of the treaty signed in 1948 between 16 Bedouin tribes, including the Uqbi, and the new Israeli army, pledging loyalty in return for a guarantee that they could continue living on their lands.


Article - http://electronicintifada.net/content/b ... state/9015
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Postby Ralkovia » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:10 am

Gauthier wrote:Don't know why the Israelis don't drop the pretense and just exterminate every single Arab within the prize real estate.


Because we aren't Muslims, who think everything can be solved with Murder. That's why.
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Postby The Taryegeans » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:12 am

Rio Cana wrote:
United Aryan Asian Alliance wrote:
Last month, Israeli soldiers began confiscating water-storage containers used by Bedouin in several pastoral encampments on the northern fringes of the West Bank's Jordan Valley area.

No explanation was given to the dozens of impoverished residents, who have since been rationing their already scarce water supplies and tending to thirsty livestock.

But no explanation was needed. Many here see the confiscations as the latest Israeli tactic to put pressure on Bedouin and Palestinian residents to leave this resource-rich area.


Maybe they are trying to clear that area and get it ready for the Alawite people who might be pouring out of Syria if the Civil War in Syria goes against them.

Seems Israel has been kind of heavy handed with the Bedouins. Found this article about the Bedouins of Southern Israel. They have legal papers to land but the government is dragging there feet. They even have a signed treaty.

He also has a copy of the treaty signed in 1948 between 16 Bedouin tribes, including the Uqbi, and the new Israeli army, pledging loyalty in return for a guarantee that they could continue living on their lands.


Article - http://electronicintifada.net/content/b ... state/9015


Oh, becuase all governments obey treaties about native populations and where they are allowed to live. :roll:

The Bedouins mightt as well wipe their ass with the paper, chances are it's not worth a thing.

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Postby Noobubersland » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:42 am

The Taryegeans wrote:Oh, becuase all governments obey treaties about native populations and where they are allowed to live. :roll:

The Bedouins mightt as well wipe their ass with the paper, chances are it's not worth a thing.

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Postby Armed Rabbits » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:22 pm

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:01 pm

Ralkovia wrote:Because we aren't Muslims, who think everything can be solved with Murder.

What you are is someone who just earned a *** Warning for flamebaiting and trolling. *** Given your history, you might want to make more effort to avoid that in future.

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Postby Anderzeme » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:20 pm

Didn't you say the pressuring was to get the Palestinians to leave the area? Perhaps this is the reason, Palestine does not like Israel, Palestinians don't like Israelis. Palestine is aggressive towards Israel on a regular basis. Therefore, Israelis want the violent Palestinians to leave. It may also have something to do with the fact that Israel is an almost constant war area.

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Postby New Chalcedon » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:11 pm

Anderzeme wrote:Didn't you say the pressuring was to get the Palestinians to leave the area? Perhaps this is the reason, Palestine does not like Israel, Palestinians don't like Israelis. Palestine is aggressive towards Israel on a regular basis. Therefore, Israelis want the violent Palestinians to leave. It may also have something to do with the fact that Israel is an almost constant war area.


As to the first: let's not kid ourselves. As an Israeli supporter, I acknowledge that Israel really, really needs to pull its socks up in order to fulfil its potential as a nation. And Israel is, if not as aggressive as its neighbours, certainly stuck with a hair-trigger temper.

As to the second: Even in all-out war, the laws of war (specifically, the Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 53) prohibit the wholesale destruction/confiscation of civilian property.
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Postby Alyekra » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:01 pm

New Chalcedon wrote:
Anderzeme wrote:Didn't you say the pressuring was to get the Palestinians to leave the area? Perhaps this is the reason, Palestine does not like Israel, Palestinians don't like Israelis. Palestine is aggressive towards Israel on a regular basis. Therefore, Israelis want the violent Palestinians to leave. It may also have something to do with the fact that Israel is an almost constant war area.


As to the first: let's not kid ourselves. As an Israeli supporter, I acknowledge that Israel really, really needs to pull its socks up in order to fulfil its potential as a nation. And Israel is, if not as aggressive as its neighbours, certainly stuck with a hair-trigger temper.


Considering their history, I find it hard to blame them.
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Postby Keronians » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:04 pm

Tubbsalot wrote:I just realised that my attitude toward Israel is a lot like my attitude to North Korea.

"Oh, those crazy fucks have done a fucking crazy thing again."


Does a "Damn Jews" come in there somewhere? :p

Anyway, seriously, though. Not cool, IDF, not cool.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:08 pm

Keronians wrote:Does a "Damn Jews" come in there somewhere? :p

Oops, did I leave that out?
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Postby Vyvansia » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:45 pm

I find it rather silly to debate this story in such detail and with such fervor until proof that it even happened is provided. Unless and until that is done it's academic.

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Postby Khelaafa » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:56 pm

Israel: "We aren't stealing. THEY who stealing! DIZ IZ OUR LAND!"
Anti-Israel (including me): "Look, they bullying the Palestinian again."
Pro-Israel: "The most important thing is they stop it. If we look at the Islamist-authoritarian state who conspired to against the democratic pacifist state of Israel, back in...'
Anti-Israel: "Hey, return to the present, dude! We talk about Israeli Defense Forces steal water supplies from civilians!"
Pro-Israel: "LALALALALALALALALA!!!! ISRAEL IS BETTER THAN HAMAS AND ANOTHER COMMIES NAZIS ISLAMIST COUNTRY!"
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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:58 pm

Khelaafa wrote:Israel: "We aren't stealing. THEY who stealing! DIZ IZ OUR LAND!"
Anti-Israel (including me): "Look, they bullying the Palestinian again."
Pro-Israel: "The most important thing is they stop it. If we look at the Islamist-authoritarian state who conspired to against the democratic pacifist state of Israel, back in...'
Anti-Israel: "Hey, return to the present, dude! We talk about Israeli Defense Forces steal water supplies from civilians!"
Pro-Israel: "LALALALALALALALALA!!!! ISRAEL IS BETTER THAN HAMAS AND ANOTHER COMMIES NAZIS ISLAMIST COUNTRY!"



Lets return to the present dude?

you mean like how presently palestinians harbor terrorists and are indoctrinated to hate jews?
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Postby Khelaafa » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:33 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Khelaafa wrote:Israel: "We aren't stealing. THEY who stealing! DIZ IZ OUR LAND!"
Anti-Israel (including me): "Look, they bullying the Palestinian again."
Pro-Israel: "The most important thing is they stop it. If we look at the Islamist-authoritarian state who conspired to against the democratic pacifist state of Israel, back in...'
Anti-Israel: "Hey, return to the present, dude! We talk about Israeli Defense Forces steal water supplies from civilians!"
Pro-Israel: "LALALALALALALALALA!!!! ISRAEL IS BETTER THAN HAMAS AND ANOTHER COMMIES NAZIS ISLAMIST COUNTRY!"



Lets return to the present dude?

you mean like how presently palestinians harbor terrorists and are indoctrinated to hate jews?


"We talk about Israeli Defense Forces steal water supplies from civilians!"
You know, your word is similar like pro-Israel final answer.
"LALALALALALALALALA!!!! ISRAEL IS BETTER THAN HAMAS AND ANOTHER COMMIES NAZIS ISLAMIST COUNTRY!"
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:59 pm

Fucking Israel. They're as bad as Pakistan.
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Postby Jafas United » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:47 am

Conserative Morality wrote:Fucking Israel. They're as bad as Pakistan.

In what way?

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Jafas United wrote:In what way?

Both play a double game against the US while pretending to be our allies and constantly abuse the rights of minorities in their country.
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Postby DogDoo 7 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:19 am

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The Taryegeans wrote:Oh, becuase all governments obey treaties about native populations and where they are allowed to live. :roll:

The Bedouins mightt as well wipe their ass with the paper, chances are it's not worth a thing.

Maybe, maybe not, only time will tell what will happen


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Postby DogDoo 7 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:24 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Jafas United wrote:In what way?

Both play a double game against the US while pretending to be our allies and constantly abuse the rights of minorities in their country.


I don't think Israel is nearly as dangerous and deceptive to US interests as Pakistan. Then again their interests in keeping Syria and Lebanon defanged, Jordan a lapdog, and the Gulf to secretly sell them oil, tend to align with US interests as well, unlike Pakistan's desire to "not anger the Taliban too much"
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Postby Disserbia » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:54 am

Srboslavija wrote:Can't wait for the NSG Yankee Doodles to justify this one :palm:

This basically.

Im sick of people justifying ethnic cleansing just because the people perpetrating it are allied with states that control the UN or are considered to be industrialized nations that appear to be intent on preserving the current order of International Law through reinforcing their political hegemony over everyone else. Crimes against humanity are never in the interest of peace.
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